Why Mind or Thoughts veil what I am

[Javfly33]

The reason why when thoughts appear I seem to disappear into the thought (therefore creation of suffering), is because fundamentally Thought tells me what I am.

The problem is I am not using thoughts or mind as a tool like a mechanic uses a screwdriver, 99% of the time I am using the thoughts/mind as a way to invent myself into existence. As a way to tell me who I am.

Only when there is absolute clarity that thoughts/mind can never define me or tell me what I am, then the mind won´t be a problem. There will be distance and clarity on what I am and what is Mine/Just a Tool (the mind). 

[James123]

@Javfly33

[gettoefl]

There's dual thoughts and divine thoughts. Both are available. The latter take you home. The former keep you here. I am not good. I am not bad. I am God. Therefore you are God. By correcting my mistake of seeing you as a gender, a nationality, a religion and instead seeing you as what you are, I enter the divine. This can't be done alone as an intellectual exercise. I need you to save me.

[Javfly33]

3 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

The latter take you home. The former keep you here. I am not good. I am not bad. I am God. Therefore you are God. By correcting my mistake of seeing you as a gender, a nationality, a religion and instead seeing you as what you are, I enter the divine. This can't be done alone as an intellectual exercise. I need you to save me.

Yes, that explanation makes sense. Thoughts are never you, but let´s say you have a LOVE kind of thought. This is a thought that is more close to you, but is not really you. But they are closer to home that for example a cruelty/angry kind of thought. These thought is very far away from you:

 

[James123]

7 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

There's dual thoughts and divine thoughts. Both are available. The latter take you home. The former keep you here. I am not good. I am not bad. I am God. Therefore you are God. By correcting my mistake of seeing you as a gender, a nationality, a religion and instead seeing you as what you are, I enter the divine. This can't be done alone as an intellectual exercise. I need you to save me.

Attachment with thought is the separation. What is even god?

[Javfly33]

15 minutes ago, James123 said:

Attachment with thought is the separation. What is even god?

You are not separated even with attachment with thought. You are always what you Are. 

However you lose yourself/define yourself with the thought. Therefore you become "something".

Therefore suffering, because you are nothing, and that is the best Bliss and Gift from life, that you are free. When you become "something", you are not anymore free, you become chained to whatever you have become. 😂 Crazy uh?

[James123]

4 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

You are not separated even with attachment with thought.

Actually, there is no such thing as thought whatsoever 😊 

[James123]

5 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Therefore you become "something".

Therefore, "you" "think". 😊 

6 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Crazy uh?

Definitely brother ❤️ 

[Breakingthewall]

It's relatively easy to stop thinking if you've realized the inherent limitlessness of reality. This is a fundamental revelation. You can do this with psychedelics or whatever, but once you've broken through the boundaries, even if they return, it's easy to place yourself in a limitless perspective.

From this perspective, nothing means anything; everything is the same in terms of meaning: it has none. So, without meaning, thoughts lose their charge; they're irrelevant. It's easy to open up completely and be what you are.

What you are is in no way definable, since definitions are limited. They are arising relative to something. You are not relative to something; you are. And the relative occurs in you, therefore, you expand your being in all directions. It's normal; it's what you are.

[Breakingthewall]

7 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Therefore suffering, because you are nothing, and that is the best Bliss and Gift from life, that you are free. When you become "something", you are not anymore free, you become chained to whatever you have become. 😂 Crazy uh?

You could say it in that way . You are nothing definite, you are everything, absolute potential, unlimited depth, but you can't think in that, because it's unlimited, you only can be it, then you don't try to think in that because it's obviously impossible, any definition is limited, and you are precisely unlimited. You could think: I'm unlimited, but that is an empty thought, means nothing. Unlimited is nothing that you can imagine, you just can be you not think in it. Then the thought dissapear naturally 

Edited June 22 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

8 hours ago, gettoefl said:

There's dual thoughts and divine thoughts. Both are available. The latter take you home. The former keep you here. I am not good. I am not bad. I am God. Therefore you are God. By correcting my mistake of seeing you as a gender, a nationality, a religion and instead seeing you as what you are, I enter the divine. This can't be done alone as an intellectual exercise. I need you to save me.

Divine thoughts are as false than any other thought in order to define what you are because you are precisely undefined. You are, then you only can be, not think in it. Well, you can do it but it's going to be a thought that happens in you, it's the same than anything that arises. If you get attached to its meaning, you are focusing in limits, then you can't perceive what you are, you are closed. You are the totality unlimited. It's absolutely impossible by definition thinking in it, then you never try, because you know that it's exactly the opposite that you should do to be open. There is zero temptation to try to grab with the thought what you are because it's obviously impossible. 

The point is dissolve any limitation and realize the unlimited. There is nothing to name, just no limits. 

Edited June 22 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

9 hours ago, James123 said:

@Javfly33

 

He's a liar. Everything that he said is lie, he's inventing to appear interesting and he knows it perfectly 😂

[Breakingthewall]

9 hours ago, James123 said:

@Javfly33

 

He says to observe your thoughts, and then they disappear. Your thoughts are an arising in the reality. The observer observing the thoughts is an arising in the reality. From an unlimited perspective, there is no observer observing; there is flow, and in that flow, thoughts appear. The observer, the act of observing, the thought. everything is in the flow. There is no real separation. So, observing your thoughts places you in the position of observer and therefore limits you. It doesn't matter whether there are thoughts or not; you are limited by observing. You are not the observer; you are the flow where "observing" occurs

[James123]

13 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

So, observing your thoughts places you in the position of observer and therefore limits you. It doesn't matter whether there are thoughts or not; you are limited by observing. You are not the observer; you are the flow where "observing" occurs

That's just the beginning. Wait till thoughts vanishes 😊 

[Javfly33]

11 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Divine thoughts are as false than any other thought in order to define what you are because you are precisely undefined. You are, then you only can be, not think in it. Well, you can do it but it's going to be a thought that happens in you, it's the same than anything that arises. If you get attached to its meaning, you are focusing in limits, then you can't perceive what you are, you are closed.

Yeap, they feel better but divine thoughts are still thoughts. Is just that is better to have a joyful thought than a depressing one. But is still mind, is like identifying with the thought "I am God", or "I am infinite". 

Sure, is much better to say that than "Life is utter shit I should kill myself", but both thoughts are still not you or represent you. With the depressing thought is easy to see this because the next morning you can go exercising and feel better and not anymore feel bad therefore see how untruthful and unstable that thought was. But with divine thoughts is more difficult to see it, ideological religions work with divine thoughts and people take decades to come out of that delusion. 

[gettoefl]

13 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Yeap, they feel better but divine thoughts are still thoughts. Is just that is better to have a joyful thought than a depressing one. But is still mind, is like identifying with the thought "I am God", or "I am infinite". 

Sure, is much better to say that than "Life is utter shit I should kill myself", but both thoughts are still not you or represent you. With the depressing thought is easy to see this because the next morning you can go exercising and feel better and not anymore feel bad therefore see how untruthful and unstable that thought was. But with divine thoughts is more difficult to see it, ideological religions work with divine thoughts and people take decades to come out of that delusion. 

Everything here is illusion and you need a way to jump out of the illusion. You can't do it. But there is a way. You need to happify your dream and realize you are dreaming and all this is all you. Once you get there, all happens naturally. In short, ego is blocking you from perceiving reality and it needs to be brought to heel.

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, gettoefl said:

Everything here is illusion and you need a way to jump out of the illusion. You can't do it. But there is a way. You need to happify your dream and realize you are dreaming and all this is all you. Once you get there, all happens naturally. In short, ego is blocking you from perceiving reality and it needs to be brought to heel.

Light (the so called world) exists, is just that is empty.

The illusion exists. It shines, it palpitates with life, it moves. But the core is nothing.

I see that as the ultimate blessing of what we are. That the dance of Shakti (femenine), as crazy or chaotic it can become, Shiva (masculine) will always be the still empty core that grounds it. 

"Life is a dream, but the dream is real".

-SG

Edited June 23 by Javfly33

[gettoefl]

43 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Light (the so called world) exists, is just that is empty.

The illusion exists. It shines, it palpitates with life, it moves. But the core is nothing.

I see that as the ultimate blessing of what we are. That the dance of Shakti (femenine), as crazy or chaotic it can become, Shiva (masculine) will always be the still empty core that grounds it. 

"Life is a dream, but the dream is real".

-SG

Everything we see is the same. A veil covering an aperture to the absolute. Thoughts can recognise things thus. And so liberate both from limitation.

[VeganAwake]

There are layers of the self illusion. They are intertwined & woven like a wool blanket of self referential memories, thoughts, experiences, beliefs...etc...etc...

This self illusion can feel very heavy at certain times and also light or nonexistent at other times. 

Nevertheless, it always seems to be in the forefront or subconscious.

it's identity/separation.

But when these layers of the apparent self are examined closely, they can start becoming very questionable and unstable. They can quickly start shedding or peeling off. 

❤️