How do I transition to Stage Yellow?

[Santiago Ram]

I have been on Green for too long.

How do I make a leap into Tier 2?

I understand Yellow and Perspective/Systems thinking but I feel stuck.

Edited June 21 by Santiago Ram

[Alexop]

I will first question: Am I really Stage Green? How am I sure of that? What exactly is Stage Green?  How it differs from Yellow? 

In order to get and insight about a person being Green or Yellow I will ask them:

What is a woman?

If they come with some post-modern gender blind bullshit, that is a clear sign that they did not integrate Orange, rationality/hierarchy/disconnecting from feelings/science. And they clearly can't see stuff systemically outside of their petty paradigm.

Then I will ask them: How do you know earth is not flat?

If they come with some point to authority like: NASA proved that without being aware that they don't actually know that empirically, that would be a red flag.

Edited June 22 by Alexop

[Lise]

Well, I can only speak from the perspective as somebody who thinks they are yellow, since I went through periods where I was quite green.

I don't know how you live life, but a tip presented by Leo is that stages have to be transcended, something I agree on. So what are you doing to really embody your green values? In my experience, you have to realize your ideas in action. This way, you'll understand the limits of your thinking.

For me, I was vegan, I was active in Extinction Rebellion, and I only bought used clothes (except underwear and socks). I also lived a quite hippie life, where I was quite anti-authority in my attitudes to the world. Before this, I embodied a less extreme green, was blindly loyal to more leftist, environmentally focused parties due to conformity and putting myself in a very green high school, and pescatarian for three years. It didn't last long (2-3 years? One year with the most extreme behaviour) before I felt something was not quite right, and that this lifestyle was not sustainable, and I started looking for other attitudes. This period also involved some giving up on orange values, like taking a break from intense studying to look for more life experience.

I totally relate to feeling stuck haha. After a small epistemic breakdown I feel a little disillusioned with if I know myself at all. I also have a group of green friends I love a lot. Still, I sometimes get very sad about the way that they believe their way is the right way so much, how they are so privileged in every way, how many of them did nothing to grow themselves as they were provided their values by their family, and still shame people of the lower stages. I feel like they are not realizing that devilry is a lot closer to them than they realize (not that I'm some sort of angel, far from it).

Edit: feel like many of them shame yellow people too. Many strawmen and horrible debates in the papers on the culture wars between green and yellow in my country at least.

Edited June 24 by Lise

[Carl-Richard]

Read a book about Spiral Dynamics and pretend like you're Yellow. That always works 😜

Edited June 25 by Carl-Richard

[Carl-Richard]

6 hours ago, Lise said:

Many strawmen and horrible debates in the papers on the culture wars between green and yellow in my country at least.

Sylvi for preZ. Only kidding of course, Jonas 4ever <3

Edited June 25 by Carl-Richard

[Ulax]

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Read a book about Spiral Dynamics and pretend like you're Yellow. That always works 😜

😂

[Lise]

6 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Sylvi for preZ. Only kidding of course, Jonas 4ever <3

What do you mean. There are multiple groups in the culture war, and blue-orange vs. green isn't the only one. Are you insinuating that I confuse FrP for yellow? That's quite hurtful coming from somebody who is a moderator.

[Ulax]

2 minutes ago, Lise said:

What do you mean. There are multiple groups in the culture war, and blue-orange vs. green isn't the only one. Are you insinuating that I confuse FrP for yellow? That's quite hurtful coming from somebody who is a moderator.

I think Carl was just kidding around haha

[Lise]

 

6 minutes ago, Ulax said:

I think Carl was just kidding around haha

Fuck, if that's how it's justified I don't want to be around here anymore.

[Ulax]

24 minutes ago, Lise said:

 

Fuck, if that's how it's justified I don't want to be around here anymore.

I’m not really sure I understand what issue you are finding with his reply. Can you help me understand?

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Lise said:

What do you mean. There are multiple groups in the culture war, and blue-orange vs. green isn't the only one. Are you insinuating that I confuse FrP for yellow? That's quite hurtful coming from somebody who is a moderator.

 

1 hour ago, Ulax said:

I think Carl was just kidding around haha

The best jokes rarely land.

[Ramanujan]

11 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Read a book about Spiral Dynamics and pretend like you're Yellow. That always works 😜

ooo carl , fake it till you make it. 

[Ramanujan]

exhaust green. do all the green things out there . go full green. exhaust it. then you will move to yellow

my advice , do it in a controlled way . green can fuck you up really badly if you are not careful. exhaust green in a safe way

[saif2]

@Santiago Ram What makes knowing difficult is all the other stages are present in a person, and the same phenomenon can be seen from one angle as a stage and from another angle as a different stage. I think the difficulty is in seeing large portions of yourself, not isolated phenomenon.

Green is able to take different perspectives without being able to bring them together, while yellow is able to notice patterns between the different perspectives and is able to start bringing them together.

As it was mentioned it is important to integrate the previous stages not to repress them or cling on to them, this is where the growth happens. Man spiral Dynamics is such a weird model.