The Manosphere Has A Gay Fixation

[Emerald]

Another video on the topic from my previous post, regarding what women find attractive vs what men think women find attractive.

[Schizophonia]

Neurotics will project hatred onto women or the opposite sex in general, and what they unconsciously believe to be the reason why they couldn't sleep with their mother.
"Alpha male" generally means "dad" unconsciously.

Of course, there's some truth in blackpill: it's complicated to find love when you're ugly, but there are also plenty of unattractive people who find love, everywhere and all the time.
Unattractive people generally form relationships, and at worst, even if you're cynical, there's plastic surgery.

But overall, blackpill is essentially a compulsive projection of the "Oedipal trauma."

The weakness of the phallic dynamic, due to the fear of castration by the father (and his surrogates), generates tendencies toward homosexual effects and mannerisms.

The absolute desire to be dry (physically) is typically a neurotic tendency.

Leo (I like him, I talk about him because he's the admin) isn't interested in looks, but he still has strong anal tendencies.
He's torn between his desire to take the father's position and his anality.
So sometimes he's a redpill leader in a white shirt obsessed with being "mature" (because of his archaic superego, inspired by the overwhelming father figure), and sometimes he becomes blackpilled, responding only with jokes and that sort of thing (anality); there's a split.
The older he gets, the more anal he'll become because of the loss of energy, and the more he'll say blackpill things; you will see.

 

Edited June 10 by Schizophonia

[Leo Gura]

Looksmaxing... you mean the thing every woman does every day of her life? 

Do women have a gay fixation when they show off their tits and lips?

Edited June 10 by Leo Gura

[Schizophonia]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Looksmaxing... you mean the thing every woman does every day of her life?

Yea but precisely they are women eheh.

In fact, I've never met a woman who liked men who were too well-groomed.
The times I was most frequently complimented were when I was unshaven, badly groomed, and looked like a construction worker.

[Nemra]

Doesn't "gay" just mean "homosexual man"?

I don't understand why people associate being gay with a highly feminine man who likes to look good. As if straight men cannot be feminine.

Why are we confusing sexual orientation with gender expression?

Instead of "gay", the term "feminine" should be used, I think.

Edited June 10 by Nemra

[Emerald]

19 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Doesn't "gay" just mean "homosexual man"?

I don't understand why people associate being gay with a highly feminine man who likes to look good.

I get what you're saying. I think the guy in the video (who I believe is gay) sees these patterns in heterosexual men as more homoerotic rather than actually gay.

There's this preference for certain hyper-Masculine aesthetic features in men in the eyes of the heterosexual male gaze.... which is then projected onto women who actually find different things attractive about men than heterosexual men do, in reality.

So, there is a driver that could be called "homoerotic" in straight men to admire the features of a hyper-Masculine guy. 

But most heterosexual men would feel uncomfortable admitting that homoerotic driver in themselves.

So, the guy in the video seems to be implying that part of the denial of the divergence of the female gaze form the male gaze is that there's a taboo against hetero guys noticing the attractiveness of men. 

But moreso than that, there is a denial about women's divergent preferences for generally... because it undermines a lot of their narratives. And I see that as far more of a driver of this denial of female nature than it is about denying this homoerotic driver.

[Emerald]

51 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Looksmaxing... you mean the thing every woman does every day of her life? 

Do women have a gay fixation when they show off their tits and lips?

Perhaps not every woman. But beautification is a common driver for many women.

It's a lot of fun and feels very empowering to peacock around.

The main difference here is that women tend to openly admire the looks of attractive stylish women. 

For these "maxing" manosphere guys, there is often a fear of coming across as "gay" or "Feminine"... but simultaneously a rabid fascination with a particular kind of hyper-Masculine male body type.

And men tend to project their own aesthetic preferences for hyper-Masculine men onto women who tend to prefer more subtle expressions of Masculinity.

[AION]

Most people do some form of look maxxing unconsciously for themselves. It is a way to prove themselves they are worthy but most of the time they could just skip the practice (i.e getting muscled) and just flat out believe they are enough, because just cuz. Most of the time look maxxing, losing weight, gaining muscle and shit don't 't even work to fix their insecurity even if they get so far to that falsely believed holy grail. It is just cloaks up their insecurity and pushes down the turd of insecurity even deeper. I noticed that getting approval from the group/clan is so powerful for our brains. I tried to replicate that state of consciousness without external approval, but just with the power of my mind, and it is very difficult. Getting approval from a group unlocks new parts of the mind. That is what people want. It is not a superficial activity. Only to the feeble mind it might seem that way.

Edited June 10 by AION

[Leo Gura]

24 minutes ago, Emerald said:

For these "maxing" manosphere guys, there is often a fear of coming across as "gay" or "Feminine"

Yeah, because gay men are outcast, bullied, and killed.

Being gay for a woman is not nearly as lethal as being gay for a man.

No man is going to beat up a woman for appearing too manly.

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And men tend to project their own aesthetic preferences for hyper-Masculine men onto women who tend to prefer more subtle expressions of Masculinity.

Women do exactly the same thing. Wearing nasty-looking make-up that no man likes and doing ugly lip injections and fake eyelashes and cheap plastic nails that look so tacky our dicks go limp.

I literally watch porn, see the girl's makeup and my dick goes limp.

But the women always say, "I'm not doing it for you, I'm doing it for ME! I'm not here to please your dick."

Likewise, men are not here to please your vagina. Men get jacked to please themselves.

Edited June 10 by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, vinc3nc said:

If a girl is doing something for herself

She's not doing it for herself. She's BSing herself. So are gym-rats.

It's a social game played by unconscious rats to multiply their rat selves.

Is it gay? It's the opposite of gay, it's very straight. Rats want to make more rats by acting extra ratty.

Edited June 10 by Leo Gura

[Emerald]

59 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Women do exactly the same thing. Wearing nasty-looking make-up that no man likes and doing ugly lip injections and fake eyelashes and cheap plastic nails that look so tacky our dicks go limp.

100%

Women are not exempt from misunderstanding what men like. When I was 13 or 14, I used to believe that women had to be as rail-thin as possible to be attractive to guys.

Yet again, many women realize that men don't prefer really garish make-up (or rail-thinness).

And they will wear make-up more to make themselves happy than to be attractive to men.

And of course, a man who simply prefers himself to look super ripped should do so... as that's a reflection of his own preferences.

The issues is when men believe that they need to have a hyper-Masculine appearance or demeanor to be attractive to women... and are getting jacked and shredded to attract women.

It's just as ineffective as a woman doing a bunch of garish plastic surgery procedures to try to attract men.

Edited June 10 by Emerald

[Emerald]

32 minutes ago, vinc3nc said:

@Leo Gura If a girl is doing something for herself, does that mean she would still do it if she was the only person alive on the planet (no one being able to see her)?

I've certainly dolled myself up at home with nowhere to go just to feel pretty. Lots of women do.

One thing that might not be evident from the male perspective is that it feels really empowering to feel beautiful. And preening feels good to do.

It's like how peacocks will fan their feathers out, even if there are no peahens around.

Of course it has a reproductive function that underlies it. But in practice, it feels more like embodying an empowered Feminine identity.

Yet again, if I were literally the only person alive on the planet, I'd probably be depressed because of unmet social needs. So, I probably wouldn't be putting effort into very much... including appearance.

[Emerald]

36 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

She's not doing it for herself. She's BSing herself. So are gym-rats.

It's a social game played by unconscious rats to multiply their rat selves.

Is it gay? It's the opposite of gay, it's very straight. Rats want to make more rats by acting extra ratty.

You just said that opposite thing in your post to me above...

"But the women always say, "I'm not doing it for you, I'm doing it for ME! I'm not here to please your dick."

Likewise, men are not here to please your vagina. Men get jacked to please themselves."

[Leo Gura]

14 minutes ago, Emerald said:

You just said that opposite thing in your post to me above...

"But the women always say, "I'm not doing it for you, I'm doing it for ME! I'm not here to please your dick."

Likewise, men are not here to please your vagina. Men get jacked to please themselves."

I was mocking girly rationalizations.

[Leo Gura]

Fitness can be pursued for yourself.

Makeup, less so. Makeup is definitionally for others.

If I exercise or jog, it's purely for myself.

Edited June 10 by Leo Gura

[Emerald]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I was mocking girly rationalizations.

You tend to do that a lot, I notice.

[Hojo]

@Schizophonia The woman has to be more attractive or they get insecure. So they lie and go with the lesser beautiful to avoid feeling less beautiful.

[Emerald]

40 minutes ago, vinc3nc said:

That's like a guy saying: I dont lift weights to get jacked and so on.... I do it to feel more confident.

why do you need to embody an empowered feminine identity? why does a guy need more confidence?

Go deep enough, be self-aware enough, and you will end up discovering the truth: you do it for others.

I do it because of the feeling states it produces in me... regardless of who sees me.

Similar to how I'd eat my favorite food even if no one is watching because I enjoy the flavor of the food, I would do things that evoke my favorite emotions regardless of who's watching because I enjoy the "flavor" of the emotion.

And when I feel beautiful, the libidinal energy flows more and it feels exciting. And I feel beautiful when I have put effort into looking beautiful.

I also enjoy it when others perceive me as beautiful because it makes me feel like I'm embodying a more empowered identity... and that my insides are more easily reflected outwards.

So, these drivers are intertwined with social things and I like embodying a certain persona in public... but don't require the social element for me to desire to connect with those feelings.

Honestly, if someone made a drug that made you feel beautiful regardless of how you objectively looked, I would have a hard time not partaking in it as it's just an enjoyable state to be in.

[Emerald]

48 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Fitness can be pursued for yourself.

Makeup, less so. Makeup is definitionally for others.

If I exercise or jog, it's purely for myself.

What's your rationale there?

Both are about changing your appearance. What's the difference?

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Emerald said:

Both are about changing your appearance. What's the difference?

Fitness can be done for health, not appearance.

I exercise to keep my health up. Being fat is not healthy. Lifting weight is good for bones, muscle, heart, mood, longevity, etc.

Jogging 30 min per day reduces ass cancer risk by like 35%.

Makeup, on the other hand, poisons skin with nasty chemicals and heavy metals.

Edited June 11 by Leo Gura