5 meo talk again (dosage)

[Tboy]

Quite a lot of people on this forum and people I've met have reported taking 5 meo for the first time at a ceremony or in a retreat-like setting. As I understand it, at most of these events they give you a fairly large dose as your first ever experience of 5 meo. Do we not think this is a bit irresponsible? Or is it just that it's fine with 5 meo to take a slightly higher dose as your first experience in contrast to other psychedelics? 

 

I took it for the first time recently but took a very small dose (10 mg) and didn't really feel much, certainly didn't lose my ego or get scared. The person who organised the trip for me, who runs 5 meo retreats, said he thinks I would benefit from something more like 40 mg. My instinct is to not do this and just work my way up (doing 20 mg, then 30 mg etc.) but since most of these retreat centres/ceremonies apparently give you a higher dose as your first try and you don't hear of these places getting shut down because people are dying or having mental breakdowns, it makes me think its probably okay. What do you think?

[Lynx]

I personally think it's absolutely insane to give a breakthrough dose to people as their first dosage.
For me it's like teaching sex to a virgin by directly raping her without cuddling or anything, it can get traumatizing and I would suggest going the slow route instead by geting to know the substance (yourself) and developing that relationship to the point you feel okay to do it (having a breakthrough).

These places don't have time to make their clients develop a long lasting relationship with 5meo so they have to go straight to the point,

while it can work for some people with good spiritual background, it can be an absolute mess for others who are not ready for it letting them with huge reactivations or terrible states afterward so if you have time, I would definitely advise to work your way up, listen to yourself and go for the breakthrough only when you are ready to fully let go

[Tboy]

Thanks for this, I appreciate the detail of your response

[Leo Gura]

Do not take 40mg.

Ramp up in 5-10mg increments.

[Lyubov]

It is irresponsible. A lot of people who run retreats have a bodily system that can handle large amounts of psychedelics and they don’t consider that it may be different depending on the person. Little care or oversight or regulation. There is a large amount of group think that goes along with a profession like that as well. They think they are supposed to deliver people and they achieve some sense of this for themselves by giving large doses. “The gringos like the light show” as the shaman says. Dose yourself slowly and very carefully with consideration from many sources of information on how to do so.

Edited May 31 by Lyubov

[Unlimited]

Is it Bufo or the synthetic form? If it’s the former, you can take 40 mg, but you shouldn’t if it’s the latter.

[Tboy]

Will keep this in mind, thank you for your responses