Martin Ball says he's not solipsistic

[Salvijus]

4 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

I'm talking about your POV, since you make a distinction

Is your POV some kind of bubble, with boundaries ? No 

Therefore ? ....

Every point of view is experiencing the same infinity. 

[Wilhelm44]

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

Double check with chatgpt. There's not a single spiritual tradition that believes in solipsism. 

I heard James Swartz mention the 'one Jeeva' bit. Not sure if that means he is into proper solipsism tho.

[Salvijus]

1 minute ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I heard James Swartz mention the 'one Jeeva' bit. Not sure if that means he is into proper solipsism tho.

Excellent and revealing question.

❗️Short Answer:

No major mystic or spiritual tradition endorses solipsism.
In fact, nearly all mystical traditions explicitly reject it, even while affirming the unity of all things.

🧭 Why? Let’s break it down:

✅ Mysticism affirms unity, not isolation

Mystics across traditions commonly say:

"All is one."
Not: "Only I am."

The "One" is not the personal ego—it is universal consciousness, God, the Tao, the Absolute, or Brahman.

🧘‍♂️ Traditions That Emphasize Oneness (but not solipsism)

🕉️ Advaita Vedanta (Hinduism)

Says: The self (Atman) is Brahman (the Absolute).

But: The realization is not "I (ego) am all," but that the sense of separate selves dissolves into non-dual awareness.

Key Point: Others are not illusions in your mind—they are Brahman too.

☸️ Buddhism

Emphasizes no-self (anatta) and interdependence (pratītya-samutpāda).

The self is not ultimately real, but neither is the claim that “only my mind exists.”

Enlightenment includes compassion for other beings—impossible under solipsism.

✡️ Kabbalah (Jewish Mysticism)

All beings are emanations of the Divine (Ein Sof), distinct but interconnected.

The mystical goal is unity with the Source, not denial of others' reality.

✝️ Christian Mysticism

God dwells in all things; the self is nothing without God.

Love of others is central—otherness is real, even in mystical union.

☯️ Taoism

The Tao flows through all things; differentiation is functional but rooted in unity.

No sense that “only I exist”—rather, everything is part of a dynamic whole.

🌍 Sufism (Islamic Mysticism)

The aim is fana (dissolution of the ego) into al-Haqq (the Real).

All selves are rays of God, not projections of one person’s dream.

❌ Why solipsism is excluded

It centers the ego, even if unconsciously.

It denies love, compassion, and service—which all mystic traditions affirm.

It collapses spiritual practice into self-referential fantasy.

It confuses metaphysical unity with psychological isolation.

🧠 So why do some modern seekers accidentally fall into solipsism?

Nonduality and self-inquiry can be misinterpreted as:

“If I’m the Self, then only I am real.”

But that’s the ego hijacking the insight.

True nonduality says:

“I am not this ego—and neither is anyone else. We are all That.”

✅ Final Insight:

Mysticism dissolves the ego—not the world.
Solipsism inflates the ego and denies others.
Therefore, no genuine mystic tradition is solipsistic—and if one were, it would contradict the very heart of spiritual realization.

Would you like to explore where people most often misinterpret mysticism as solipsism, especially in modern nonduality circles?

[Wilhelm44]

@Salvijus  I agree, the one dreamer thing dont make sense to me, but somehow everytime i play with the idea in my meditations, i do experience some kind of energetic upgrade, so i feel it's still worth exploring.

[Loveeee]

13 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Every point of view is experiencing the same infinity. 

I'm asking, if your POV has no boundaries, how could there be others ? There's no room

[Salvijus]

4 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

I'm asking, if your POV has no boundaries, how could there be others ? There's no room

Nothing can stop God from experiencing itself from infinite points of views. He needs at least one to recognize itself. If he's capable of one, he's capable of infinite also. And experiencing something from infinite points of view gives you a much grander experience than just a single puny pov. As if God was so impotent. 

Edited May 28 by Salvijus

[Loveeee]

Just now, Salvijus said:

Nothing can stop God from experiencing itself from infinite points of views. He needs at least one to recognize itself. If he's capable of one, he's capable of infinite also. And experiencing something from infinite points of view gives you a much grander experience than just a single puny pov. 

You're not answering, if your bubble of consciousness has in fact no boundary, what room is there for other bubbles ? 

[Salvijus]

Just now, Loveeee said:

You're not answering, if your bubble of consciousness has in fact no boundary, what room is there for other bubbles ? 

A pov is not a bubble. Hence there is infinite room for infinite points of view to exist. 

[Loveeee]

Just now, Salvijus said:

A pov is not a bubble. Hence there is infinite room for infinite points of view to exist. 

That's right it's not a bubble because it has no boundary, SO, what room is there for others ? 

[Salvijus]

Just now, Loveeee said:

That's right it's not a bubble because it has no boundary, SO, what room is there for others ? 

Infinity can recognize itself from infinite points of view. 

[Loveeee]

2 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Infinity can recognize itself from infinite points of view. 

You agree your POV is boundless but insist on there being more 

.....

[Vibes]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Consider that reality is just your point of view.

Oh yes. But if I start talking about it to people, they'll pretend they are separate and that I'm ego drunk.

[Salvijus]

1 minute ago, Loveeee said:

You agree your POV is boundless but insist on there being more 

.....

Because a boundless experience does not rule out multiple points of view. 

[Salvijus]

3 minutes ago, Vibes said:

Oh yes. But if I start talking about it to people, they'll pretend they are separate and that I'm ego drunk.

Or just debate you. A debate that you would lose. 

[Vibes]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Solipsism means there's only your POV.

Stop saying there's anyone else but you -- if you're talking about solipsism. Stop imagining them, stop assuming them, stop theorizing about them.

Go into your toilet and notice, the only one who exists in your toilet is you. That's it. Nothing else. Everyone else is a fiction. When you are sitting there on your toilet, no other humans being has ever existed but you. You've never even seen another human being.

That's how serious solipsism is.

I freaked out a little bit watching your 'exercise for realizing you're God' when you made me notice that I'm sitting in this room forever imagining all sorts of things, and nothing has ever happened 

[Vibes]

4 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Or just debate you. A debate that you would lose. 

Debate is at the level of shallow thoughts and memories.

But nice try God, I love you 

Edited May 28 by Vibes

[Loveeee]

14 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Because a boundless experience does not rule out multiple points of view. 

Yes it does, consciousness is infinite, you're omniscient 

But I'm not merely saying you experience no bounds, I'm saying this "thing" we call an "experience" is boundless 

[Salvijus]

7 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Yes it does, consciousness stretches out infinitely

It also individuates itself infinitely to grasp itself. 

Edited May 28 by Salvijus

[Salvijus]

5 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

 But I'm not merely saying you experience no bounds, I'm saying this "thing" we call an "experience" is boundless 

You mean your 5 senses? No, conciousness far more infinite than what your 5 senses are able to capture. Your 5 senses are just a small keyhole to infinity. There are infinite keyholes. 

Edited May 28 by Salvijus

[UnbornTao]

Hey, most of us (humanity, that is) probably don’t really know what this thing called direct consciousness is, even if the idea points us in a certain direction. So maybe we should start there.

Edited May 31 by UnbornTao