How do you cope with man-children?

[Emerald]

10 minutes ago, Alexop said:

They're won't say that "men are not masculine enough" as masculinity has become so debated that People can't agree anymore on what masculinity actually is.

They will say instead: men are boring, lack initiative, lack drive, lack charm, are lazy etc.

And you're blaming the boringness, lack of initiative, lack of drive, lack of charm, and laziness (which are negative qualities that many men have had throughout the entirety of human history) on the fact that a percentage of contemporary men aren't consciously striving to match up to some Masculine standard?

I believe that's your argument because you said, "The vikings are gone because they don't want to grow pussies" and "Nowadays it's all soy boys!" or something crazy like that.

If that's your argument... rest assured, TONS of men are trying to be the same kind of hyper-Masculine guy. And it doesn't help them transcend these issues one little bit. 

And women are NOT interested in that hyper-Masculine guy that all these men are aspiring to be.

And I've noticed that men who are the most obsessed with Masculinity tend to have these problems a lot more than the average guy who just doesn't think too much about being a manly man.

The most functional men that I've come across are unapologetically themselves and don't give a rip about what's Masculine or not. And they're certainly not pearl clutching about how "There are no manly men anymore!"

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[Alexop]

3 hours ago, Emerald said:

And you're blaming the boringness, lack of initiative, lack of drive, lack of charm, and laziness (which are negative qualities that many men have had throughout the entirety of human history) on the fact that a percentage of contemporary men aren't consciously striving to match up to some Masculine standard?

I believe that's your argument because you said, "The vikings are gone because they don't want to grow pussies" and "Nowadays it's all soy boys!" or something crazy like that.

If that's your argument... rest assured, TONS of men are trying to be the same kind of hyper-Masculine guy. And it doesn't help them transcend these issues one little bit. 

And women are NOT interested in that hyper-Masculine guy that all these men are aspiring to be.

And I've noticed that men who are the most obsessed with Masculinity tend to have these problems a lot more than the average guy who just doesn't think too much about being a manly man.

The most functional men that I've come across are unapologetically themselves and don't give a rip about what's Masculine or not. And they're certainly not pearl clutching about how "There are no manly men anymore!"

Improving yourself is not "matching a masculine standard". And nobody here encouraged men to be "hyper-masculine". You are the only one here mentioning this shit.

We argue that men need challenge, meaning, direction in life in order to develop. I just say that this gender blindess ideology of treating everyone the same is NOT working. How many times do I have to tell you?

It is clear that you are frustrated by those Red Pill retards and JP/AT fans and project that onto me here. That viking line was a JOKE. But yea, the "hyper" feminists don't get jokes. 

Anyway, I should shut up about this subject among women because they don't get it and nobody wins. Some women can become great intellectuals (eg. Teal Swan) but so many should just leave this shit up to us and just be cute and enjoy life.

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[SwiftQuill]

35 minutes ago, Alexop said:

Anyway, I should shut up about this subject among women because they don't get it and nobody wins. Some women can become great intellectuals (eg. Teal Swan) but so many should just leave this shit up to us and just be cute and enjoy life.

Accurate and based AF.

Women love to demonize the red pill retards and leave all the confused and frustrated men out of discussion.

"I struggle to get a gf"

"Don't care. But whatever you do DON'T become red pill!"

So even though no one in this thread has advocated for red pill hyper masculine BS it's still being debated. Any time anyone dares to criticism the blue pill fake male feminist ideal, they are accused of being a hyper masculine toxic masculine Andrew Tate type.

It shocks me how this is always what happens in discussions on this topic.

[Basman]

We live in a farmer's society that rewards regimentation and agreeableness. The benefits largely outweigh the cons, but I believe that this sense of anxiety, insecurity and lack of spontaneity is due to being taught to reject new experiences. You have to teach young boys to not kick over sand castles.

This whole thread comes of as somewhat performative, whiny and lacking in substance though. You could just mind your own business.

[Alexop]

3 minutes ago, Basman said:

This whole thread comes of as somewhat performative, whiny and lacking in substance though. You could just mind your own business.

In some sense we should mind our own business. In another, if everyone only minded their own business 1000 years ago, we would have still been in the dark ages. Not that our ages are much brighter.

[Basman]

16 minutes ago, Alexop said:

In some sense we should mind our own business. In another, if everyone only minded their own business 1000 years ago, we would have still been in the dark ages. Not that our ages are much brighter.

Medieval civilization was quiet advanced for its time actually. Grand cathedrals still inspire awe.

Preaching to the choir is one thing but what do you think would meaningfully change our culture for the better?

[Alexop]

4 hours ago, Basman said:

Medieval civilization was quiet advanced for its time actually. Grand cathedrals still inspire awe.

Preaching to the choir is one thing but what do you think would meaningfully change our culture for the better?

Change always happens through protest of a group who felt opressed, misunderstood, exploited or other conflict based method. 

We spread the word and those who are ready will receive it. I. The same way women spread their concerns 100 years ago and now they got their freedom. 

So in case of societal freedoms we have to protest, some will get offended and I don't give a shit. Some might say I exaggerate, that's because they don't live in Sweden.

 

 

 

Or... Iceland

Look how developed the girls at the end are compared to the guys besides, this is the shit I deal with every day. 

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[Joshe]

11 hours ago, Emerald said:

And PsychHacks is definitely a hug box for insecure men. But anyone who takes that guy's perspectives seriously is just going to stay stuck in the same issues.

I've watched a few of his videos and his formula is basically, "Here's some advice for men to show them how empowered they are compared to women. And here's some advice for women to show them how disempowered they are compared to men and how everything is their fault and how they should settle for what they can get quickly before they lose out entirely because 'high quality guys won't settle for you'."

But of course, the intended target audience for the latter advice is not ACTUALLY for women at all.

It's just to make men feel validated, vindicated, empowered, and right so that they get to scapegoat women and avoid facing personal responsibility for their own romantic and social issues.

It's really well-encapsulated in the sentiment of blaming women's 'unreasonable standards' for the male loneliness epidemic. All blame and no personal responsibility.

Exactly. His profit model is pandering to insecurity by moving men from shame, apathy, and anger, up to pride, at the expense of women. His earlier videos weren’t as overt but I suppose they are now because he’s got a much higher definition view of his audience.

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[NewKidOnTheBlock]

3 hours ago, Alexop said:

Change always happens through protest of a group who felt opressed, misunderstood, exploited or other conflict based method. 

We spread the word and those who are ready will receive it. I. The same way women spread their concerns 100 years ago and now they got their freedom. 

So in case of societal freedoms we have to protest, some will get offended and I don't give a shit. Some might say I exaggerate, that's because they don't live in Sweden.

 

 

 

Or... Iceland

Look how developed the girls at the end are compared to the guys besides, this is the shit I deal with every day. 

Stuff like this is just a consequence of how feminists are trying to solve the male to female relation crisis we are experiencing nowadays, according to their worldview of how an ideal version of these relations should look like and how the power dynamics should be. People in control of Sweden are going for the uni gender solution, meaning viewing ourselves, men and women, as basically the same people, the only difference being the genitalia. Socially conditioning women to want to feel empowered, and condition men to be more emotional, kind and shit like that. Ofc that's not really going to solve anything significant, and by significant I mean the current birth rate issues, and generally accepted scripts for how men and women should ideally relate to each other. 

That is not to say that I agree with you either tho. I don't really think there's some objective, 100% correct magical solution out there that would work on a societal level

[Alexop]

36 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

Stuff like this is just a consequence of how feminists are trying to solve the male to female relation crisis we are experiencing nowadays, according to their worldview of how an ideal version of these relations should look like and how the power dynamics should be. People in control of Sweden are going for the uni gender solution, meaning viewing ourselves, men and women, as basically the same people, the only difference being the genitalia. Socially conditioning women to want to feel empowered, and condition men to be more emotional, kind and shit like that. Ofc that's not really going to solve anything significant, and by significant I mean the current birth rate issues, and generally accepted scripts for how men and women should ideally relate to each other. 

That is not to say that I agree with you either tho. I don't really think there's some objective, 100% correct magical solution out there that would work on a societal level

Birthrate is good in Sweden, and could be even better if we switch to 4 day work week. Birthrate is dictated by time and money.

You dont agree with me what? Have no good argument? mind your business. 

[Alexop]

49 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

Stuff like this is just a consequence of how feminists are trying to solve the male to female relation crisis we are experiencing nowadays, according to their worldview of how an ideal version of these relations should look like and how the power dynamics should be. People in control of Sweden are going for the uni gender solution, meaning viewing ourselves, men and women, as basically the same people, the only difference being the genitalia. Socially conditioning women to want to feel empowered, and condition men to be more emotional, kind and shit like that. Ofc that's not really going to solve anything significant, and by significant I mean the current birth rate issues, and generally accepted scripts for how men and women should ideally relate to each other. 

That is not to say that I agree with you either tho. I don't really think there's some objective, 100% correct magical solution out there that would work on a societal level

Birthrate is good in Sweden, and could be even better if we switch to 4 day work week. Birthrate is dictated by time and money.

Yes there are solutions, it is not rocket science after you understand how biology works. Teach children about sex hormone dynamics, femininity vs. masculinity. And more, I put all in my book which comes soon.

Edited May 29 by Alexop

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

4 minutes ago, Alexop said:

Birthrate is good in Sweden, and could be even better if we switch to 4 day work week. Birthrate is dictated by time and money.

Wrong. It's severely below replacement levels, at minimum it should be 2,1 children born per woman and it is just measly 1,52 children per woman in reality. And it is that way in all countries that aren't 3d world countries.

And yeah, that's not good for functioning of society in the long term or even mid term, however you define it, this is not just about some pesky pension system.

And no, it's not dependent on how well you're doing or how much free time you have, it's about the culture and social conditioning. As well as a clearly defined relations between men and women, i.e. women had certain roles and men had certain roles, depending on what was needed of them by society. People in the past were working all the time, were dirt poor and yet were producing much more children than we are producing.

I will also ignore your pathetic attempt at ad hominem, seeing as it brings nothing to this conversation

[Basman]

4 hours ago, Alexop said:

Change always happens through protest of a group who felt opressed, misunderstood, exploited or other conflict based method. 

We spread the word and those who are ready will receive it. I. The same way women spread their concerns 100 years ago and now they got their freedom. 

So in case of societal freedoms we have to protest, some will get offended and I don't give a shit. Some might say I exaggerate, that's because they don't live in Sweden.

I'd argue survival incentives is more consequential for social change. Women where a valuable source of capital so giving them more freedom was natural. 

In modern times you could make the argument that softer men is beneficial for a regimented and highly bureaucratic society. In comparison, I can't imagine there being that many soft men in Ukraine currently, which has a completely different survival situation.

4 hours ago, Alexop said:

Look how developed the girls at the end are compared to the guys besides, this is the shit I deal with every day. SO FUCK OFF with your planned gender imbecility.

They are one step away from toddlers yelling "fuck the patriarchy". Freaky stuff.

I don't understand why boys and girls aren't equally taught assertiveness and sensitivity though. Both are good, but neglecting teaching boys to be men in particular sets them up for a dissatisfied life in my opinion. I know that my life would be better if I was taught to be more assertive and confident when I was little. It's not a given but they act like it is and therefor you need to "compensate" by teaching boys to be girls and vice versa.

It's also not even about equality either but equity. This is an attempt at making people more uniform.

Also, the fact that it is predominately the elite managerial class that pays for this program says everything.

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[Alexop]

19 minutes ago, Basman said:

I'd argue survival incentives is more consequential for social change. Women where a valuable source of capital so giving them more freedom was natural. 

In modern times you could make the argument that softer men is beneficial for a regimented and highly bureaucratic society. In comparison, I can't imagine there being that many soft men in Ukraine currently, which has a completely different survival situation.

They are one step away from toddlers yelling "fuck the patriarchy". Freaky stuff.

I don't understand why boys and girls aren't equally taught assertiveness and sensitivity though. Both are good, but neglecting teaching boys to be men in particular sets them up for a dissatisfied life in my opinion. I know that my life would be better if I was taught to be more assertive and confident when I was little. It's not a given but they act like it is and therefor you need to "compensate" by teaching boys to be girls and vice versa.

It's also not even about equality either but equity. This is an attempt at making people more uniform.

Also, the fact that it is predominately the elite managerial class that pays for this program says everything.

How the hell are soft men beneficial for society? No person with a sane mind and a normal hair color can say this. When men are shit, they suffer, women suffer. People suffering leads to healthcare system costs, lack of productivity, lack of creativity, mental illness. 

They are not even soft. They become violent in A relationship because of the accumulation of frustration and lack of understanding how women work. I talked to a Swedish policeman about domestic violence: as high as in any other western country 

These feminitards shoot themselves in the foot by making men soft. 

 

Edited May 29 by Alexop

[Basman]

8 minutes ago, Alexop said:

How the hell are soft men beneficial for society? No person with a sane mind and a normal hair color can say this. When men are shit, they suffer, women suffer. People suffering leads to healthcare system costs, lack of productivity, lack of creativity, mental illness. 

 

Agreeableness. The negative consequences are just supposed side-effect of regimentation.

Society and survival isn't about happiness.

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[Alexop]

34 minutes ago, Basman said:

Agreeableness.

They are just afraid and underdeveloped not agreeable. It just forces women to decide and do everything.

You might argue that this can reduce conflicts and wars. Well that will be a good argument. Even so, you won't have all the countries reach that "woke" level in the coming future. Make your country faminine and you will be conquered by a masculine country. Until the whole geo-political world becomes feminine, my bones will be dust. Until then we will figure out the problem and fix it in a Tier 2 way not in this retarded way. And Healthy masculine developed men are not violent, I might argue that nice guys are more violent due to their underdevelopement. But yea, geo-politically the violence will be reduced because those men will not decide shit in that country, women will.

Edited May 29 by Alexop

[Emerald]

14 hours ago, Alexop said:

Improving yourself is not "matching a masculine standard". And nobody here encouraged men to be "hyper-masculine". You are the only one here mentioning this shit.

We argue that men need challenge, meaning, direction in life in order to develop. I just say that this gender blindess ideology of treating everyone the same is NOT working. How many times do I have to tell you?

It is clear that you are frustrated by those Red Pill retards and JP/AT fans and project that onto me here. That viking line was a JOKE. But yea, the "hyper" feminists don't get jokes. 

Anyway, I should shut up about this subject among women because they don't get it and nobody wins. Some women can become great intellectuals (eg. Teal Swan) but so many should just leave this shit up to us and just be cute and enjoy life.

People need challenge, meaning, and direction in life to develop themselves.

And improving one's self is fine, as long as there isn't a shame narrative attached to it and it's helping you have the experiences you want to have.

And the idea that there's some standard of Masculinity to match up to is what creates neuroses and problems because men start feeling anxious that they're not Masculine enough.

You can look everywhere and see evidence of this.

If you want to grow yourself, forget about "trying to be a man" and accept that you already are one. And just be yourself and tap into your own personal sovereignty and tap into whichever energetic signature that you naturally have. 

[Alexop]

On 29/05/2025 at 1:01 PM, SwiftQuill said:

Accurate and based AF.

Women love to demonize the red pill retards and leave all the confused and frustrated men out of discussion.

"I struggle to get a gf"

"Don't care. But whatever you do DON'T become red pill!"

So even though no one in this thread has advocated for red pill hyper masculine BS it's still being debated. Any time anyone dares to criticism the blue pill fake male feminist ideal, they are accused of being a hyper masculine toxic masculine Andrew Tate type.

It shocks me how this is always what happens in discussions on this topic.

Nailed it. They don't get that there is a THIRD better option in most cases. It is either with us or with the "toxic" people. Leo is a genius man. So glad I found these real intellectuals who fixed my cognitive conflicts I had about society.

Woke is just a bunch of immature kids who fuck up society. It started with good ideas and well intended people, but now all the really mature people(myself included) separated from that and joined the mature center-left social-democrats who are in touch with survival and real power dynamics.

"But Alex they speak about equality and minority rights..."

Wow, we should care about gay rights and women's rights... Yea we know that, no shit Sherlock. How do we fix that? Should we brainwash men into a crippled underdeveloped state so we can dominate them? The policies that Iceland applies in preschool and even in school right now will be seen as child abuse when the society will reach Tier 2.

Edited May 30 by Alexop

[SwiftQuill]

1 hour ago, Alexop said:

Nailed it. They don't get that there is a THIRD better option in most cases. It is either with us or with the "toxic" people. Leo is a genius man. So glad I found these real intellectuals who fixed my cognitive conflicts I had about society.

Woke is just a bunch of immature kids who fuck up society. It started with good ideas and well intended people, but now all the really mature people(myself included) separated from that and joined the mature center-left social-democrats who are in touch with survival and real power dynamics.

"But Alex they speak about equality and minority rights..."

Wow, we should care about gay rights and women's rights... Yea we know that, no shit Sherlock. How do we fix that? Should we brainwash men into a crippled underdeveloped state so we can dominate them? The policies that Iceland applies in preschool and even in school right now will be seen as child abuse when the society will reach Tier 2.

Also in my opinion people's negative reaction to "the evil red pill" is way exaggerated. I've met very few guys who were Andrew Tate fans. And even those guys, if you met them you'd consider them soy boys. They're not the type of guys who bully other men or to harass women. They just put on Andrew Tate audios while they work out. And people act as thou there's this surge of hyper masculine out there in the streets and bars when that's not the case. At least where I'm from 99% of guys are nice. If they struggle with anything, it's with lack of self confidence or social skills.

This woke attitude of "we need to destroy the red pill!" Is so blown out of proportion. JP fans, Tate fans, doesn't matter. You need to really, really go out of your way to fight against the real toxic males. And if anyone talks about masculinity in society, you get a free pass to accuse them of being "red pill". This is such a nothing burger. The "manosphere" is a thing that seems like a horrible dangerous boogie man but in reality it's not. Those toxic guys constitute about 1% of men. And if women are attracted to such types of men, they should probably shut up and not complain about it.

[Alexop]

2 hours ago, SwiftQuill said:

Also in my opinion people's negative reaction to "the evil red pill" is way exaggerated. I've met very few guys who were Andrew Tate fans. And even those guys, if you met them you'd consider them soy boys. They're not the type of guys who bully other men or to harass women. They just put on Andrew Tate audios while they work out. And people act as thou there's this surge of hyper masculine out there in the streets and bars when that's not the case. At least where I'm from 99% of guys are nice. If they struggle with anything, it's with lack of self confidence or social skills.

This woke attitude of "we need to destroy the red pill!" Is so blown out of proportion. JP fans, Tate fans, doesn't matter. You need to really, really go out of your way to fight against the real toxic males. And if anyone talks about masculinity in society, you get a free pass to accuse them of being "red pill". This is such a nothing burger. The "manosphere" is a thing that seems like a horrible dangerous boogie man but in reality it's not. Those toxic guys constitute about 1% of men. And if women are attracted to such types of men, they should probably shut up and not complain about it.

I have an old friend who is a Tate fanboy and he mostly became so fanatic because of wokism 😆 so actually woke people increase the amount of Tate people hahah.