About conciousness and reincarnation

[Breakingthewall]

9 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

I see, it’s just me who is self obsessed

No, before I always had in mind that I had to drop the self , like, let do any mental grip, drop the understanding, I did a lot of psychedelic with that goal and a lot of meditation. then little by little, I began to reach a state where I had no mental grip. Reality becomes fluid, and you don't interpret anything. It's like you're floating in empty immensity. And if you hold that long enough, and your intention is to open up to whatever, absolute surrender, eventually you do it. You open up to yourself, you break the boundaries. At first, a moment, then longer.

If you do that, it's something like: this is it, absolutely. The total, the absolute  depth alive, the total potential, my true nature. But you realize that the one observing this is the structure of reality we call human. Your mind may be absolutely empty of content, but it's still your mind. It's still you. It's the human self open to the total. It's different from a fly's self open to the total. The whole is the whole, but the one perceiving it is the human form. It's not an illusion; it's meaningless. It's like saying: you're not playing tennis. That's an illusion. You are a human. No, you're a human playing tennis.

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, gettoefl said:

What you call opening up is only possible once peace is arrived at. Peace is perfect acceptance and unruffled non-reactivity

Not true, you can open to the absolute in some moments even you are reactive and focused in some mundane things. You have to reach a minimum of alignment, integrity, then even you are not in perfect peace you can learn how to remove the barriers of the mind. 

[Breakingthewall]

11 hours ago, Someone here said:

I have no idea what you are talking about .

Also ..I have no idea whether you have or don't have an idea what you are talking about .

What do you want to say ?

I told it clear, but you dont understand because you don't like a open frame, it's weird for the mind, people needs a limit, like god or anything . 

[Someone here]

@Breakingthewall no I'm sorry didn't mean to troll you. I trust you .just tell it to me in a sentence or two .

[gettoefl]

31 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Not true, you can open to the absolute in some moments even you are reactive and focused in some mundane things. You have to reach a minimum of alignment, integrity, then even you are not in perfect peace you can learn how to remove the barriers of the mind. 

I would say peace is knowing what you are and abiding as what you are. I suppose even in the hurly-burly of life where conflict and chaos are assailing one, it's possible to remain thus. It's more advanced and needs more practice. It's aligning with the divine perspective. How this is, can be understood. The world may or may not improve as a result (and in any case that is irrelevant) but life is immensely richer and more fulfilling. It's akin to getting an upgrade on a plane journey instead of traveling cattle class and getting embroiled in that soap opera.

[Sugarcoat]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

No, before I always had in mind that I had to drop the self , like, let do any mental grip, drop the understanding, I did a lot of psychedelic with that goal and a lot of meditation. then little by little, I began to reach a state where I had no mental grip. Reality becomes fluid, and you don't interpret anything. It's like you're floating in empty immensity. And if you hold that long enough, and your intention is to open up to whatever, absolute surrender, eventually you do it. You open up to yourself, you break the boundaries. At first, a moment, then longer.

If you do that, it's something like: this is it, absolutely. The total, the absolute  depth alive, the total potential, my true nature. But you realize that the one observing this is the structure of reality we call human. Your mind may be absolutely empty of content, but it's still your mind. It's still you. It's the human self open to the total. It's different from a fly's self open to the total. The whole is the whole, but the one perceiving it is the human form. It's not an illusion; it's meaningless. It's like saying: you're not playing tennis. That's an illusion. You are a human. No, you're a human playing tennis.

So it sounds like the form/structure becomes “transparent” and the absolute shines through . Like they’ve said you realize yourself beyond the self, doesn’t mean the self goes away

Edited May 12 by Sugarcoat

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

So it sounds like the form/structure becomes “transparent” and the absolute shines through . Like they’ve said you realize yourself beyond the self, doesn’t mean the self goes away

Yeah, transparent, aligned, relaxed. What we call the self is the structure of our psyche. Normally, the psyche is very dense, governed by impossible-to-ignore impulses that have been cemented over millions of years of evolution. Human evolution—all struggle, drive, and social unity—come from foundations forged at the origins of life. The emotional switches we have are decisive, overwhelming, and absorbing. They are what unites families, tribes, and nations; they make people go to war to die for ideals or study the structure of the atom.

Without this psyche, we would be less than rats, nothing, extinct corpses. This psyche doesn't let you see beyond what it dictates as essential. Normally, if you become spiritual, it's a shift of the psyche to evade or sublimate other emotional impulses. The true desire to break through the barrier is rare. To do so, you must see through the psyche. To say that the psyche doesn't exist and is an illusion is meaningless, confusing, and false. It's like saying you don't have a body. Stories to brainwash people into escaping their problems for a while. Spirituality is absolutely fake.

To see through the psyche, you must first confront it and face your fears. Then, make a real decision, committing to yourself that you want to open yourself to the depths of existence, whatever that may be. It doesn't matter; it's real, and because it's real, you want to see and be that without obstacles. Then you find a way to do it. Little by little, you go deeper in that direction. It's a natural process.

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

So it sounds like the form/structure becomes “transparent” and the absolute shines through . Like they’ve said you realize yourself beyond the self, doesn’t mean the self goes away

Yes, transparent means that for you it's the same life or death, at least for 5 minutes. You have to trick your psyche to really be able to deactivate it. The psyche is who tries to deactivate itself, it's twisted. There are strong forces that prevents it. For me it's extremely difficult, I can do just sometimes, it's like you dissapear and the whole is, but it's impossible to be in that state more than a moment. Close yes, but with some barrier, without barrier is difficult. I guess that some people can, but I'd say, very few in the entire world

Edited May 12 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

I just had that opening. A moment is enough; it's the total relaxation of the barriers. At a given moment, the pressure you're constantly exerting gives way, and there are no limits. Reality is unfathomable, and you are that. It's luminous, open, and total. It's nothing, but everything is there. Then, irrevocably, the contracted operating system returns. It doesn't seem like something I can do, but rather something that has to happen. In a way, it is letting go of the self. It is the relaxation of all the mechanisms of the self, it is the culmination of a very complex process, and I don't think I'm going to complete that process. There is too much density in me. But anyway, what we are is wonderful, it's openenss. Some moments of openess is energy for many days, light. 

Edited May 12 by Breakingthewall

[theleelajoker]

Thx for sharing 

[Sugarcoat]

23 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yeah, transparent, aligned, relaxed. What we call the self is the structure of our psyche. Normally, the psyche is very dense, governed by impossible-to-ignore impulses that have been cemented over millions of years of evolution. Human evolution—all struggle, drive, and social unity—come from foundations forged at the origins of life. The emotional switches we have are decisive, overwhelming, and absorbing. They are what unites families, tribes, and nations; they make people go to war to die for ideals or study the structure of the atom.

Without this psyche, we would be less than rats, nothing, extinct corpses. This psyche doesn't let you see beyond what it dictates as essential. Normally, if you become spiritual, it's a shift of the psyche to evade or sublimate other emotional impulses. The true desire to break through the barrier is rare. To do so, you must see through the psyche. To say that the psyche doesn't exist and is an illusion is meaningless, confusing, and false. It's like saying you don't have a body. Stories to brainwash people into escaping their problems for a while. Spirituality is absolutely fake.

To see through the psyche, you must first confront it and face your fears. Then, make a real decision, committing to yourself that you want to open yourself to the depths of existence, whatever that may be. It doesn't matter; it's real, and because it's real, you want to see and be that without obstacles. Then you find a way to do it. Little by little, you go deeper in that direction. It's a natural process.

I see. I’ve noticed too that to see through the psyche it’s crucial to confront it and face your fears. Turning attention inward and observing yourself and your psyche. Breaking through those layers one by one. It’s not a natural process for most but if you have that inclination it can be 

[Sugarcoat]

23 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes, transparent means that for you it's the same life or death, at least for 5 minutes. You have to trick your psyche to really be able to deactivate it. The psyche is who tries to deactivate itself, it's twisted. There are strong forces that prevents it. For me it's extremely difficult, I can do just sometimes, it's like you dissapear and the whole is, but it's impossible to be in that state more than a moment. Close yes, but with some barrier, without barrier is difficult. I guess that some people can, but I'd say, very few in the entire world

Yea I agree it’s probably an extremely small percentage in the world. And yea there are strong forces that prevent it. It’s like it’s fundamental to the brain to have a self

Edited May 13 by Sugarcoat

[Sugarcoat]

22 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

I just had that opening. A moment is enough; it's the total relaxation of the barriers. At a given moment, the pressure you're constantly exerting gives way, and there are no limits. Reality is unfathomable, and you are that. It's luminous, open, and total. It's nothing, but everything is there. Then, irrevocably, the contracted operating system returns. It doesn't seem like something I can do, but rather something that has to happen. In a way, it is letting go of the self. It is the relaxation of all the mechanisms of the self, it is the culmination of a very complex process, and I don't think I'm going to complete that process. There is too much density in me. But anyway, what we are is wonderful, it's openenss. Some moments of openess is energy for many days, light. 

It takes a lot to “dissolve” that density. Much depth and layers to the psyche. Takes years to begin to scrape it

[Sugarcoat]

If you dissolve the self enough the world almost stops being 3D but nobody is ready for that conversation 

[Breakingthewall]

23 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

It takes a lot to “dissolve” that density. Much depth and layers to the psyche. Takes years to begin to scrape it

yeah, the mind is a very solid construct, full of traps. It creates a world of emotions and meaning, and it's very difficult to escape from it. It's like opening your energy center, surrendering your mind completely, and opening your heart without reservation and without expecting anything except the act of opening. The mind must be empty, the heart open. Open means without greed, total surrender to the unknown. 

On 13/5/2025 at 10:20 PM, Sugarcoat said:

 

 

On 13/5/2025 at 10:20 PM, Sugarcoat said:

I see. I’ve noticed too that to see through the psyche it’s crucial to confront it and face your fears. Turning attention inward and observing yourself and your psyche. Breaking through those layers one by one. It’s not a natural process for most but if you have that inclination it can be 

Yes , fear is the biggest barrier. But if you understand that you have to do it because you are trapped in the land of the mind like being trapped in a maze ,then you know that you have to do it without doubt, nothing is more important than that, it's like an obsession.