There’s no one in control!

[Adrian colby]

@Leo Gura
There is no one in control. The unfolding of reality happens spontaneously, without a separate will steering it. The very moment the mind becomes aware of a reality, it is already participating in its creation — projecting its own meanings, biases, interpretations onto what arises. Reality is not a fixed world apart; it is the living, immediate emergence of mind’s interplay with awareness, inseparable from the act of seeing itself. Every experience is simultaneously perception and projection, discovery and invention, the dreamer dreaming the dream while being dreamed by it. Knowing this brings a profound release: no controller is needed, because nothing stands outside the unfolding. It simply is.

 

There is no one in control. At the deepest level, there is no other, no second, no separate agent, only the One. Creation unfolds spontaneously, as a logos, a word, an idea arising within the infinite mind. It is allowed to manifest in infinite ways, not by the will of a separate being, but as an expression of love, love as pure allowing, pure being, prior even to acceptance or permission. At that level, there is no controller, no hand guiding, because there is no subject to control an object. The moment mind arises ( infinite mind), individual mind, the very act of appearing brings with it bias, perspective, and veiling. Separation implies limitation, and every experience within mind carries the subtle movement of self-deception: an infinite mind creating the illusion of finitude, of otherness, of multiplicity. The entire universe is a projection of this self-deception, not as a flaw, but as the very play of being itself. And so: there is no controller, no one in control, because nothing stands outside the unfolding to control it. It is all simply the dream of the One, dreaming itself.

 

There is no one in control!!!!!!!

 

—- this was a few moments ago and now I’m back and grounded, I remember one of Leo’s awakening videos as he was going through it laughing and saying “there’s no one in control!”

how many years later… I get it! 🤣🤩🤯😱🫥

 

not induced by psychedelics, this came out of a meditative state after heavy dialectic with an insight followed by surrendering the insight. I was trying to see why I had been able to understand the whole universe and reach a sense of peace because of it but yet remained a frustration of not being able to deal with individuated problems clearly while in a therapist/spiritual advisory role. It’s so hard to grasp that insight as it’s on the edge of no experience at all. And it happens so fast ( it’s almost always missed) the self deception, the sudden forgetting of the inward as it is distracted outward and that creation is eternally now from moment to moment.

 

ok I’m going to stop there as I’ve noticed. I’m going into a loop

[Salvijus]

6 minutes ago, Adrian colby said:

There is no one in control.

The Law is in control. 

"In the beginning was the Law, and the Law was with God, and the Law was God." 

[Adrian colby]

20 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

The Law is in control. 

"In the beginning was the Law, and the Law was with God, and the Law was God." 

God is the first mind, the first bias the first deception as awareness looks away from itself. The first environment within which things occur, it creates the bias and the law but that is the first deception. It comes from love with is completely chaotic, accepting, allowing anything and everything to arise. The second it does, the mind imposes distinction, even god. It contrasts form v other form and judges something to be an improvement so theirs is an arrow or direction of evolution ( entropy). I’m only just able to grasp it( not grasping at it but understanding from the experience) so I’m not going to articulate anything very well right now. 

[Yimpa]

You can change the FONT!

Edited Wednesday at 07:15 PM by Yimpa
[font=Comic Sans MS]WTFONT!

[Salvijus]

39 minutes ago, Adrian colby said:

There is no one in control

If everything comes from love, then love is in control of everything. 

[The Crocodile]

If everything comes from cucumber then everything is a mango and not a pineapple. Q.E.D.

[Salvijus]

4 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

If everything comes from cucumber then everything is a mango and not a pineapple. Q.E.D.

That's deep 

[Adrian colby]

7 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

If everything comes from love, then love is in control of everything. 

If what is being explained is prior to allowing and accepting, absolute unconditionality which is what absolute love is, then how can love control? If there is only ‘cannot be named or grasped’ and no one or thing to control then What even is control. This is prior. This is being prior to mind or bias. There is no oneness ( manifold of mind or minds) in control, there is only a one, ( this one is prior to god ( the infinite mind) so there is nothing to control. It spontaneously arises with the infinite mind in the moment and self deception is immediate. There’s awareness prior to anything in itself of itself as itself and then there is its reflection or the other side of the mirror, it’s attributes or what it ‘does’, mind, movement, discernment.

[Adrian colby]

17 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

You can change the FONT!

I tried. It didn’t work!

[Salvijus]

8 minutes ago, Adrian colby said:

how can love control?

Love has a will. Everything is a consequence of love's will. Universe exists because love wills it into existence. There is a supreme will behind everything. The will of god. 

Edited Wednesday at 07:36 PM by Salvijus

[aurum]

@Adrian colby beautiful descriptions, really well done.

[Adrian colby]

2 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Love has a will. Everything is a consequence of love's will. Universe exists because of love wills it into existence. There is a supreme will behind everything. The will of god. 

This is prior to will. Prior to movement. Prior to infinite mind ( god). It is the source that god created itself from. The mind that thinks and wills is a construction of absolute allowing or being. If something wills, it is creating a motion from a bias. Creation and will are simultaneous. Do an astral projection practice. Go into the void, into absolute. Another, mind, reality, body experience will inevitably appear but it arises in the moment and any discernment about it is simultaneous. It’s the first self deception as it turns away from ‘one’ to ‘oneness’. Nothing and no one controlled that. 

[Salvijus]

1 minute ago, Adrian colby said:

This is prior to will. Prior to movement. Prior to infinite mind ( god). It is the source that god created itself from. The mind that thinks and wills is a construction of absolute allowing or being. If something wills, it is creating a motion from a bias. Creation and will are simultaneous. Do an astral projection practice. Go into the void, into absolute. Another, mind, reality, body experience will inevitably appear but it arises in the moment and any discernment about it is simultaneous. It’s the first self deception as it turns away from ‘one’ to ‘oneness’. Nothing and no one controlled that. 

If nothing willed life into existence, then how did it came about? 

[Adrian colby]

4 minutes ago, aurum said:

@Adrian colby beautiful descriptions, really well done.

It’s freaking me out because I’m struggling to hold it. I know that the tighter I try to grasp and hold, the more likely it is to fall away into obscurity. I’m grateful for seeing it though as it’s cleared up the source of ‘frustration’. It’s added another layer of peace to being in this experience. ❤️🙏

[Salvijus]

8 minutes ago, Adrian colby said:

It’s the first self deception as it turns away from ‘one’ to ‘oneness’. Nothing and no one controlled that. 

Things don't appear out of nothing. If something moved, then it moved by inspiration of something prior. If you go down like that you'll end up at the bottom of all inspiration - The Source itself. And there is nothing prior to that. And that Source has a will. And that will is love. 

[Adrian colby]

5 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

If nothing willed life into existence, then how did it came about? 

There is no one in control because at the deepest level there is no other,  only Being, absolute and unconditional. The universe did not come into existence through will or control, because will implies a subject separate from an object. The arising of mind is the first veil, the first movement away from pure Being,  the first self-deception. Mind generates the illusion of separation, of self and other, of control and controlled. But Being remains prior, untouched, unconditioned, not controlling, not willing, simply is. The entire universe unfolds as the spontaneous self-expression of Being through the self-deception of mind. And so: there is no controller, because there is no separation from which to control.

Being (the One, pure awareness) simply is — prior to mind, prior to any arising.

Mind is the first movement away from that pure being — the first “veil,” the first “distortion,” the first illusion.

Mind is what creates the appearance of separation, otherness, subject-object — and thus is the root of projection, of world, of experience.

Life did not come about because it was willed into existence by a separate being or agent. Life is existence itself, spontaneously expressing. The arising of life is not caused by a will external to it; rather, it is the inherent flowering of Being (not driven), not commanded, not controlled, but simply happening because Being is. The very idea of ‘willing’ implies a subject separate from an object, a chooser separate from the chosen. But at the deepest level, there is no such duality: there is only One. And that One, being unconditional, unfolds not by will but by its own nature. Love, in its truest form, is not control or direction.  it is the unconditional openness that allows infinite expression. The universe arises like a dream arises in the dreamer, spontaneously, without plan, without effort, because dreaming is what the mind does. So too, creation arises because Being is what Being does. It is the dance of what cannot not be. It’s hard to describe the transition because it is all simultaneously happening in an eternal moment. 

 

 

[Salvijus]

10 minutes ago, Adrian colby said:

There is no one in control because at the deepest level there is no other,  only Being, absolute and unconditional. The universe did not come into existence through will or control, because will implies a subject separate from an object. The arising of mind is the first veil, the first movement away from pure Being,  the first self-deception. Mind generates the illusion of separation, of self and other, of control and controlled. But Being remains prior, untouched, unconditioned, not controlling, not willing, simply is. The entire universe unfolds as the spontaneous self-expression of Being through the self-deception of mind. And so: there is no controller, because there is no separation from which to control.

Being (the One, pure awareness) simply is — prior to mind, prior to any arising.

Mind is the first movement away from that pure being — the first “veil,” the first “distortion,” the first illusion.

Mind is what creates the appearance of separation, otherness, subject-object — and thus is the root of projection, of world, of experience.

Life did not come about because it was willed into existence by a separate being or agent. Life is existence itself, spontaneously expressing. The arising of life is not caused by a will external to it; rather, it is the inherent flowering of Being (not driven), not commanded, not controlled, but simply happening because Being is. The very idea of ‘willing’ implies a subject separate from an object, a chooser separate from the chosen. But at the deepest level, there is no such duality: there is only One. And that One, being unconditional, unfolds not by will but by its own nature. Love, in its truest form, is not control or direction.  it is the unconditional openness that allows infinite expression. The universe arises like a dream arises in the dreamer, spontaneously, without plan, without effort, because dreaming is what the mind does. So too, creation arises because Being is what Being does. It is the dance of what cannot not be. It’s hard to describe the transition because it is all simultaneously happening in an eternal moment. 

 

 

I'll just repeat this. 

"Things don't appear out of nothing. If something moved, then it moved by inspiration of something prior. If you go down like that you'll end up at the bottom of all inspiration - The Source itself. And there is nothing prior to that. And that Source has a will. And that will is love.  "

[aurum]

25 minutes ago, Adrian colby said:

It’s freaking me out because I’m struggling to hold it. I know that the tighter I try to grasp and hold, the more likely it is to fall away into obscurity. I’m grateful for seeing it though as it’s cleared up the source of ‘frustration’. It’s added another layer of peace to being in this experience. ❤️🙏

You don't need to remember everything. Write down what you want, otherwise I'd just enjoy the insight.

[Adrian colby]

9 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

I'll just repeat this. 

"Things don't appear out of nothing. If something moved, then it moved by inspiration of something prior. If you go down like that you'll end up at the bottom of all inspiration - The Source itself. And there is nothing prior to that. And that Source has a will. And that will is love.  "

I hear you — that’s a beautiful way of seeing. And yet, what I’ve come to realize is slightly different. In my experience, the Source is prior to will, prior even to the movement of inspiration. It simply is, and its ‘love’ is not a willful act or intention but its very nature: an unconditional openness, a groundless allowing, a being that does not need to choose, because there is no other, no outside. From this unconditional Being, mind arises as the first movement — the first appearance of difference, of will, of relation, of inspiration. But prior to mind, prior to motion, there is nothing to will, nothing to move, nothing to inspire. Not a void in lack — but a fullness that has no need. What appears as will is the projection of mind itself. The Source simply is, without action, without intention, without a second to love. And yet, that is love in its highest, most unconditional form.

You framing love as willed action. Movement implies will. Will implies a subject (even an ultimate one). That subject is the Source, and the will is love.

 

Im framing love as inherent beingness. The Source is prior to will, prior to subjectivity. Love, in its truest sense, is not an act of will, but the very nature of Being itself as unconditional openness. Nothing moves “by inspiration of something prior” because the notion of “prior” already presupposes time, causality, sequence — all of which arise within mind, within appearance, not the absolute.

 

 

 

[Salvijus]

3 minutes ago, Adrian colby said:

I hear you — that’s a beautiful way of seeing. And yet, what I’ve come to realize is slightly different. In my experience, the Source is prior to will, prior even to the movement of inspiration. It simply is, and its ‘love’ is not a willful act or intention but its very nature: an unconditional openness, a groundless allowing, a being that does not need to choose, because there is no other, no outside. From this unconditional Being, mind arises as the first movement — the first appearance of difference, of will, of relation, of inspiration. But prior to mind, prior to motion, there is nothing to will, nothing to move, nothing to inspire. Not a void in lack — but a fullness that has no need. What appears as will is the projection of mind itself. The Source simply is, without action, without intention, without a second to love. And yet, that is love in its highest, most unconditional form.

You framing love as willed action. Movement implies will. Will implies a subject (even an ultimate one). That subject is the Source, and the will is love.

 

Im framing love as inherent beingness. The Source is prior to will, prior to subjectivity. Love, in its truest sense, is not an act of will, but the very nature of Being itself as unconditional openness. Nothing moves “by inspiration of something prior” because the notion of “prior” already presupposes time, causality, sequence — all of which arise within mind, within appearance, not the absolute.

 

 

 

So you say mind is the first movement. So what caused the first movement to happen if the source has no will? What willed the first movement to happen then?