What is state according to Leo Gura?

[Osaid]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

But you do experience various degrees and states of consciousness throughout your daily life. You are not as conscious when you are sleeping as when you're awake.

No. Consciousness is being the sleep and wakefulness. You can make the distinction, but it wouldn't be other than consciousness.

[fictional_character]

@Leo Gurawhat meditation technique do you find more effective to changing state?

[Leo Gura]

Just now, Osaid said:

No. Consciousness is being the sleep and wakefulness. You can make the distinction, but it wouldn't be other than consciousness.

I never said low consciousness isn't consciousness.

Jesus. You are impossible.

[Osaid]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

I never said low consciousness isn't consciousness.

Distinctions are quite literally made of what isn't. In order for there to be lower consciousness, there has to be what it isn't (higher consciousness). No contrast means no distinctions.

[PolyPeter]

14 minutes ago, Osaid said:

It's precisely what isn't. It's like the word "non-existence". 

in order to perceive the world in a subject-object relationship, distinctions must be imagined.
but this does not contradict the fact that the source of the imagination is infinity itself, with no opposites.

[Hojo]

If there is just consciousness and there are higher and lower states of consciousness whats perceiving a lower and higher state how can you say they exist and where you are. How do you know  you are not in a high state or are in a low state and how can you make those comparisons.

[PolyPeter]

4 minutes ago, Osaid said:

Distinctions are quite literally made of what isn't. In order for there to be lower consciousness, there has to be what it isn't (higher consciousness). No contrast means no distinctions.

First step: you are awareness, you are the witness of experience 
Second step: you are that in which all experience arises
third one: we are all one, things and people. one, single, reality.

Your reasoning is stepping in the way of knowing this directly osaid 

[PolyPeter]

Just now, Hojo said:

If there is just consciousness and there are higher and lower states of consciousness whats perceiving a lower and higher state how can you say they exist and where you are. How do you know  you are not in a high state or are in a low state and how can you make those comparisons.

the mushrooms can tell you how! but you have to be nice and ask politely.

[Hojo]

@PolyPeter If you dont know you cant argue against it. You are claiming osaid is stepping away from something while you have no idea?

Edited May 7 by Hojo

[PolyPeter]

Just now, Hojo said:

@PolyPeter If you dont know you cant argue against it.

whatever I say, it won't get through. it seems you already made your mind. what the mushrooms can do is shake the dirt and show the truth, again, if you ask politely and prepare your body. my words mean nothing when your mind is this closed. 

[PolyPeter]

4 minutes ago, Hojo said:

 

If there is just consciousness and there are higher and lower states of consciousness whats perceiving a lower and higher state how can you say they exist and where you are.

 

also, please please use commas! it is very hard to read a sentence that is 19130 words long.

[Hojo]

@PolyPeterJust answer this question how can you perceive between higher and lower states from the direct experience? If you cant that means you cant know which is lower or higher. You cant know which state of consciousness you are in until after its over and you have a contrast. When its over it never existed. Consciousness being one cannot experience higher or lower states as it is both of them. Its like saying perceive your toe without perceiving your arm.

The mushrooms just told me there are no higher and lower states to consciousness. Only to the subjective non existent self.

Edited May 7 by Hojo

[Osaid]

7 minutes ago, PolyPeter said:

in order to perceive

Perception doesn't require anything. Hence, infinite.

8 minutes ago, PolyPeter said:

subject-object relationship

8 minutes ago, PolyPeter said:

no opposites

Are there opposites or not?? Pick one.  You can't be a non-dual dualist.

[PolyPeter]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

how can you perceive between higher and lower states from the direct experience

By the amount of love, understanding and imagination. 

If your parents beat the shit out of you when you were growing up, in order for you to understand some particular thing or to teach you a lesson, you can see that their perspective is rather limited. this shows little understanding and imagination.

If your parents feed you, take you to school and encourage you to be your best and teach you by carefully understanding what you need, then you can see a more advanced and higher perspective. this shows more understanding and love.

I hope this example illustrates that there is Higher and Lower perspectives. WITHIN THE WOLRD OF APPEARANCES.

GOD is not within the world of appearance, all appearance is within God. Even the low perspectives. Because God has no bias. The source is Infinite.

[PolyPeter]

10 minutes ago, Osaid said:

Perception doesn't require anything. Hence, infinite.

Are there opposites or not?? Pick one.  You can't be a non-dual dualist.

You are really not getting it.

Maybe he can be a little more explanatory 
 

 

[Osaid]

Just now, PolyPeter said:

You are really not getting it.

Getting what?

[PolyPeter]

1 minute ago, Osaid said:

Getting what?

what?

[Hojo]

@PolyPeter Thats just labelling one experience as higher or lower. I am saying how do you perceive them as a subjective experience at the same time.

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[Osaid]

Just now, PolyPeter said:

what?

What am I "not getting"?

[PolyPeter]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

just labelling

Pointing to love is not just labelling. Love is an absolute.