Leo, do you think that Democrats should support right-wing economic policies?

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, JTL said:

He bascally saying people on the higher end of the spiral have to take control.

He is saying what he needed to say to grab power.

Lenin was not some highly developed guy. He was a megalomaniacal devil.

But Lenin was pragmatic enough to know that only elites can rule the masses.

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[JTL]

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Look at Canadian restrooms. There is your law and policy.

It's not as theoretical as you make it sound.

If leftists were given power, they would do some goofy shit. They just haven't been given power.

Look at the border. Look at immigration. Look at gender in sports. Look at drag shows for kids. Look at BLM riots. Look at drug legalization in Oregon. Look at the national debt. Look at inflation. Look at DEI in university admissions.

These are real issues, not just smears.

I agree with you on the trans stuff and other things can go to far, but DEI is a good, that racist people hate.

[JTL]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

He is saying what he needs to say to grab power.

Lenin was not some highly developed guys. He was a megalomaniacal devil.

wow

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

And what we’re is saying is that “leftist goofy shit” is seriously overblown by the corporate media

Of course it will be overblown. This is a battle for power! All your weaknesses will be used against you by your enemy. So fix your weaknesses.

[Emerald]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You don't care because you are a far leftist.

Normal people care. And they don't like it. You would be wise to read the room rather than telling people they shouldn't care.

When a young man walks into a voting booth to cast his first vote, does he care to vote for a party that says it's okay for men to not only be pussies but have pussies? To vote for a party that wants to allocate part of his paycheck to given men pussies?

You have lost your sense of reality.

Again... it's you who is sniffing out the things that most people would find odd.

And it is I who is actually thinking wisely about how to reframe it to minimize the damage you're doing.

I wish the right wingers were as politically unsavvy as you're being... as it would move a lot more people to the left.

Imagine if Tucker Carlson spent the majority of his rhetorical power trying to distance himself from the right wingers who want to take away women's right to vote to ensure that he doesn't come across as extreme.

He would weaken himself considerably.... and he would divide his party.

Instead, he pretends this more extreme views don't exist in any serious way and frames his arguments as normal... and he inches people more and more towards his viewpoint. And he even serves as a pipeline to more extreme views like "women shouldn't have the right to vote"

Get a bit more savvy!

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, JTL said:

but DEI is a good

It is good to deny an Asian kid to Harvard because a black kid needs a spot?

[Apparition of Jack]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course it will be overblown. This is a battle for power! All your weaknesses will be used against you by your enemy. So fix your weaknesses.

Maybe stop beating up on us first? With your resources, wealth, platform, ethnicity etc you could be a powerful ally in defeating Trumpism Leo but instead you spend all your energy telling us the same tired right-wing talking points we’ve heard a million times before. I don’t get it.

Edited May 8 by Apparition of Jack

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Emerald said:

Imagine if Tucker Carlson spent the majority of his rhetorical power trying to distance himself from the right wingers w

Tucker Carlson is a partisan hack. I am not.

Look what you're asking me to do: to be a left-wing Tucker Carlson.

[ExploringReality]

The Left and Right are two wings of the same bird of prey. Both feed on division, identity, and fear. One weaponizes progress, the other weaponizes tradition. Neither is truly interested in Truth, they're addicted to being right. 

Most of these ideological battles are just personal pain projected onto the collective stage. You’re not watching debates. You’re watching wounded inner children scream at each other with adult words. Everyone’s fighting about facts, but very few understand the mechanics of belief, identity, and mind itself. If you don’t master how you construct “truth,” you’re a slave to ideology Left or Right

Civilization is going through a psychedelic bad trip. Everything happening, from cancel culture to QAnon to gender debates to deep fakes to mass hysteria is what it looks like when a species starts confronting the illusions of its own mind. This is the collective ego death before a potential rebirth. We are in The Bardo. Between what was and what is trying to be born.

The world doesn’t need more opinions. It needs more consciousness.

Edited May 8 by ExploringReality

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Maybe stop beating up on us first?

I will not.

I will whip you until you realize the errors of leftist ideology.

I am not here to win your political battles for you. I am here for truth-seeking. If the truth means you will lose elections, I'm okay with that.

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[Apparition of Jack]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Tucker Carlson is a partisan hack. I am not.

Look what you're asking me to do: to be a left-wing Tucker Carlson.

The Left > the Right dude. Yes it’s not above criticism but when one side is fighting to give millions of people living wages and one side is fighting to throw seniors on the streets, then there is no moral comparison.

Your commitment to “debate-at-all-costs” is actually a huge personal failing of yours dude, honestly. You’re happy to sit on your millions of dollars and private bunk houses while countless people around the country suffer under this administration. There’s a reason why the poem includes the line “and I didn’t speak out, for I was not one of them.” Sitting on the sidelines during times of great injustice is on par with being complicit in those injustices. 
 

Get off your high horse dude. The GOP are insane. They need to go down. All of this aggro devil’s advocate nonsense is taking away crucial energy from resisting Trump and his bootlickers.

Edited May 8 by Apparition of Jack

[Emerald]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Tucker Carlson is a partisan hack. I am not.

Look what you're asking me to do: to be a left-wing Tucker Carlson.

If you had to be a left-wing Tucker Carlson to save the people you care about from suffering and ruin, would you?

I don't think you'd be selfless enough to do that.

You're too attached to your identity of goodness to be effective in that way.

And you'd allow all of the people in the world to suffer and die in concentration camp before you budge from your pedestal of convenient self-serving ethics.

 

[JTL]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It is good to deny an Asian kid to Harvard because a black kid needs a spot?

I’ve been following your political takes for a long time. You have talked about systemic racism,  I will just mention this qutoe from Lyndon B. Johnson, “Negro poverty is not white poverty.” Honestly, I think the Democratic Party should be working to fix issues around systemic racism and economic inequality. Black people in the U.S. face unique challenges, and let’s be real, a lot of the so-called “anti-woke” stuff about Black issues is just plain racism.

[aurum]

31 minutes ago, Emerald said:

As someone who grew up in a conservative redneck town, I can tell you that that's just not true.

Mind your own business is a sentiment that's very popular in the hearts and minds of the majority of the American people.

They were still bigots who didn't care about trans-right. And they still don't.

And I grew up in a conservative small town too, so I can also play that card. 

"Minding your business" is not about far left issues. 

31 minutes ago, Emerald said:

And polling even shows that most people are indifferent to trans people and really don't care. 

They will care when it's shoved in their face.

And even if they didn't care, that also means they will have no issue if trans-rights are taken away. 

31 minutes ago, Emerald said:

It's only about 25%-30% of people who have a trans hate boner... and a great deal of that is because they're fed a steady diet of right wing propaganda that claims that trans people are trying to trans your kids.

No!

The trans hate boner is primary.

Right-wing propaganda is secondary.

31 minutes ago, Emerald said:

And the reality is the right wingers focus on trans issues WAY more than left wingers do. You can see this by the sheer volume of anti-trans bills and laws that are penned and passed.

Because of how unpopular trans-rights are.

31 minutes ago, Emerald said:

So, you can frame it as "Right wing politicians have no serious solutions that help people and are just looking to cut taxes on the wealthy and gut social security, while obsessing about trans people all the time to scare a certain vocal component of their base." (which is actually true)

And left wingers don't get hung up on people's personal choices because we're pro-freedom and mind our own business, and we focus on an actual economic populist vision that puts food on the table.

You can frame it that way.

Just don't expect it to work.

Edited May 8 by aurum

[Emerald]

30 minutes ago, JTL said:

I agree with you on the trans stuff and other things can go to far, but DEI is a good, that racist people hate.

The anti-DEI stuff and anti-trans stuff is just two flavors of the same thing.

It's important not to make these divisions because it just divides the left-wing base... just like Leo's doing with his nitpicks about wokeness.

United we stand... divided we fall.

And all of these narratives of distancing from wokeness, DEI, and trans rights are just working class dividers to keep us weak.

[Leo Gura]

25 minutes ago, Emerald said:

If you had to be a left-wing Tucker Carlson to save the people you care about from suffering and ruin, would you?

No.

Quote

I don't think you'd be selfless enough to do that.

I hope to be selfless enough to let the whole Earth burn for truth.

Being Tucker Carlson doesn't require selflessness. It requires corruption.

Edited May 8 by Leo Gura

[Emerald]

3 minutes ago, aurum said:

They will care when it's shoved in their face.

Right wingers shove trans issues in people's faces all the time. It's all they focus on.

But Democrats scarcely mention trans people... yet still get accused of shoving trans issues in people's faces.

That's not something we can control. That's going to happen no matter what.

And the only way to fight against that is to reframe it as a general policy of accepting people and being anti-authoritarian... and saying "We're not obsessed with trans people like right wingers are. We just life and let live and focus all of our attention on bread and butter issues."

You're not going to get anywhere with a "Don't worry. We normal and hate the transes too."

[Emerald]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I hope to be selfless enough to let the whole Earth burn for truth.

Pure corruption and devilry!

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Emerald said:

Pure corruption and devilry!

The definition of corruption is bending the truth to survive.

[Apparition of Jack]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No.

I hope to be selfless enough to let the whole Earth burn for truth.

What good is truth if there’s no one left to share it with?