Females DO NOT Have More Options For Sexual Preferences

[Tenebroso]

7 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I was just about to post this - nailed it. I have been dating actively for a long time, and although I am a single anecdote, I can attest there are profound changes in what men go for when reaching their 40s (and women).

Again I think this is a myth. Women in their 30s and 40s are just as attracted to hot, emotional unavailable men as younger women. Maybe in the past when women had less freedom they would grow to appreciate more stable men as they aged. However, today women have never been more free to center their true desires and I think we are seeing that women are just as sexual as men if not more but just for a small percentage of men.

[Tenebroso]

7 hours ago, Kid A said:

This is not true. 

You have no idea how little it takes for a woman to lose interest in you because of something you say or do. I’ve been rejected by so many women on dates that it’s honestly ridiculous. 

It’s also a well-known thing these days that women get «the ick» from the smallest things guys do.

Women get the ick from attractive men. An attractive man and an unattractive man could have the exact same habits and the unattractive man will give women the ick while the same habit in an attractive man will be seen as cute or quirky instead of putting. The sexiness of a man is more important than his behaviour. If a man is sexy his flaws are accepted if a man is unattractive his flaws give the ick. There is a big difference.

[Tenebroso]

7 hours ago, Kid A said:

@Tenebroso 

You actually have some good points, but those points mainly apply to people in their 20s. Remember, there’s life after your 20s too. Things change quickly then, and men and women become equally attractive. 

Women are just as shallow after their 20s. It is a myth that they stop chasing hot, emotionally unavailable men. If anything their standards become even harsher. Men never become equally attractive to women at any age. 

[Princess Arabia]

12 hours ago, Tenebroso said:

Women's options are limited because most men are not attractive enough. Men do not have more options because they are attracted to more women, because those options don't care that you exist and would puke at the thought at being intimate with you. 

This discussion is pointless with you because of your obvious disdain for the circumstances surrounding your situation and personal experience. I saw a comment you made to Emerald about your scars and taking off your clothes once and how the woman you were with looked at you in disgust and now you're saying most women look at men with disgust. I'm through with you and even replying to any of your comments in this section. It's pointless and will not be advantageous because you take every topic and rage against the machine about your own personal trauma-based youth and onward and not taking into consideration that your situation is not the majority of cases. Saying generalized things about women that you believe to be the case is one thing but ranting about all women because you have a situation is just unbearable to listen to every time with you. This is why I don't bring up certain personal experiences I've had with men in conversations like these because I understand it's uniqueness to me and is not how men generally are and there are some decent men out there men who love women and would do anything for the woman he's with. Why a judge all men because of some asshole experience even if they were more than one. My point is that it's a numbers game and men will say this all the time when speaking about approaching, so if you have more options with whom you WANT to sleep with the cards. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong but you don't have to sound so fucking angry about it and people have different opinions about things all the time and can disagree without thinking the other is trying to troll or be condescending. It's There are guts on here in loving relationships and when I go out on the weekends sometimes I see lots of loving couples both young and old and also in my daily life just going about. Women aren't going around being in disgust with men in general and maybe you're one to be disgusted by, I don't know, but no need to carry that over in a general discussion and saying I'm wrong just because you were personally traumatized and you have scars on your body that some women are disgusted by. I deliberately wrote this response like this, no paragraphs, left mistakes and all and minimal punctuation because I'm ranting and got disgusted with your constant bickering and whining about women due to your own personal experiences without at least acknowledging that those experiences are just your own. Goodbye and no need fir me to even speak to you again because you only comment in this section and its always something bad to say about women so I won't be missing anything. Chow. 

[Kid A]

43 minutes ago, Tenebroso said:

Women get the ick from attractive men.

Did you mean unattractive men here?

43 minutes ago, Tenebroso said:

An attractive man and an unattractive man could have the exact same habits and the unattractive man will give women the ick while the same habit in an attractive man will be seen as cute or quirky instead of putting. The sexiness of a man is more important than his behaviour. If a man is sexy his flaws are accepted if a man is unattractive his flaws give the ick. There is a big difference.

You can't separate a man's sexiness and his behavior. They go hand in hand. Do you really think that for example autism, which I have, doesn't affect a guy's results with women? My looks are good enough to get me a lot of matches on dating apps, but I've never been popular among women IRL. I went on around 40(!!!) dates before I got laid for the first time. How do you explain this?

[Princess Arabia]

12 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Correct me if I am wrong @Princess Arabia, to rephrase with simplicity so Tenebroso can understand:

•  1 woman with a selection of 10 men - she may be sexually attracted to one man. More elements to sexual desire come into play for her.
•  1 man with a selection of 10 women - he may be sexually attracted to half the women. Less elements that constitute sexual desire for him.

Ergo she has less options, as dictated by the complexities in her sexual nature.

Tenebroso seems to be fixated on the gatekeeping phenomena : men tend to be the gatekeepers of commitment/relationships. Women tend to be the gatekeepers of sex. Whereas your point isn't talking about this.

I understand and agree with your articulation

Thank you, precisely the point i'm trying to make. That is the point of the post. The term "women have more options" is misleading and I just wanted to clear that up to note that no, we don't. Tenebroso seems to think if the men's abundant options doesn't lead to sex then it's worthless and that's just in his personal experiences and is just ranting and raving and saying the same things he says about women no matter what the title is and sounds like a broken record on the dating section. 

[Princess Arabia]

3 hours ago, Basman said:

A conventionally attractive women could ask random strangers for sex and most likely be successful at it while a conventionally attractive man would most likely not be remotely as successful in getting laid.

This is pretty obvious. Problem is we don't generally operate that way. We don't usually care about getting laid with strange random dude we don't know attractive or not. It happens, but it's not a care and a desire that most women have. Women crave sex with a particular guy not just the sex itself and that guy took time to meet and emotions took time to process for that to happen while a man can see, want and instantly desire sex from a woman he doesn't even know. So, your sexual preference options are abundant while ours is scarce - point of the post.

[Tenebroso]

Interesting that sharing my views triggers people so much. I don't make personal insults or comments, I am never vulgar and I don't dismiss the experiences of other people. I simply challenge mainstream perspectives and defend my observations stubbornly perhaps. I never write what I write with venom. I am not in my mother's basement seething, I am listening to Jazz music and creating a new vision board. It seems not agreeing with the status quo really hurts people. It is what it is.

[Princess Arabia]

11 hours ago, PenguinPablo said:

📊 Relationship Status by Gender (U.S.)

Source: Pew Research Center (2020) & U.S. Census / General Social Survey

Men aged 18–29:

63% are single

Only 37% are in a relationship or married

Women aged 18–29:

34% are single

66% are in a relationship or married

Penguin my dear Penguin, who are those 66% of women in relationships or married, who are they with. Men, right. So 66% of women of a certain age are married or in relationships so that equates to at least 66% of men who are also in relationships or married because they are not in these relationships with themselves. Age is not the important factor here in this discussion.. Showing how women's numbers are higher just shows how men's numbers are equally high to match. The only difference might be the age difference.

Edited May 3 by Princess Arabia

[Tenebroso]

@Princess Arabia That's fine if you don't want to respond or interact with me anymore.

However, I don't think it's necessary to be so personal. In all our discussions and disagreements I have never once insulted you or judged you sexually. I am simply defend my views but it seems simply disagreeing leads to vilification that to me seems beyond necessary. Writing about my scars is uncalled for. If I wrote like this I would receive a warning. Even if I am stubbornly disagreeing, I am always measured and respectful in my post. Far worst is said on this forum with less decorum and respect.

There is a lot of talk about needing to be more vulnerable and open up about their experiences but look what happens when you do that, it is used against you. Supposedly women are better communicators and more emotionally intelligent but these response don't indicate that. There is nothing enlightened or evolved about these responses to my post.

A trend I have noticed is people who think they have reached a certain level of spiritual and emotional development look down on others and treat people who disagree with them with contempt. Maybe my views and observations are related to my stage of self development and your views are related to your stage of development but nothing I have ever said warrants that response.

I think you should apologise but I don't expect it because I sense you think I am beneath you.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

13 minutes ago, Tenebroso said:

Interesting that sharing my views triggers people so much. I don't make personal insults or comments, I am never vulgar and I don't dismiss the experiences of other people. I simply challenge mainstream perspectives and defend my observations stubbornly perhaps. I never write what I write with venom. I am not in my mother's basement seething, I am listening to Jazz music and creating a new vision board. It seems not agreeing with the status quo really hurts people. It is what it is.

No you aren't challenging any perspectives. 

You've presented no facts to back up your argument.

Debating 101.

This is why you are stuck in a loop. You are resorting to attempting to elevate your credibility with the tale about jazz music as if it had something to do with the topic. This is because you have no grounds for your beliefs.

Have a really hard think about if your beliefs are based on fact & reality. Without this they are actually called delusions.

Edited May 3 by Natasha Tori Maru

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, Tenebroso said:

I am saying women do not care about those things. My hypotheses is that women are more shallow than men.

Wrong.

[Kid A]

1 hour ago, Tenebroso said:

My hypotheses is that women are more shallow than men.

Dude, we wanna have sex with random girls we pass on the street at any time just because they look nice… This is a war we cannot win 🤣

[Tenebroso]

12 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

No you aren't challenging any perspectives. 

You've presented no facts to back up your argument.

Debating 101.

This is why you are stuck in a loop. You are resorting to attempting to elevate your credibility with the tale about jazz music as if it had something to do with the topic. This is because you have no grounds for your beliefs.

Have a really hard think about if your beliefs are based on fact & reality. Without this they are actually called delusions.

Tale about Jazz. Talking about the fact that I am responding while relaxed listening to music is a tale. Why do I trigger all of you so much? I don't really get it. I am not elevating my credibility. I am listening to my favourite genre of music while I responding, it's that simple.

Nobody's views are 100% based on fact and reality. Everything is coloured by perception to some extent and I simply sharing mine with no personal insults.

It is very hurtful to be treated like this by people I have either interacted with respectfully for long periods of time or by people I have barely interacted with. 

Edited May 3 by Tenebroso

[Princess Arabia]

15 minutes ago, Tenebroso said:

Writing about my scars is uncalled for.

Listen. This is a public forum where you wrote about it openly for thousands of people to see in the thread by Emerald about dating advice for women. So please don't act as if I know you personally and brought up some secret about you on the internet. I brought it up because I found it necessary to point what you've stated in the past and that you are responding from a place of hurt, and it's personal with you. You are not generalizing as much as you are talking about something that happened to you when you speak of the disgust you say so many women have for some men which is probably the same amount of disgust they have for dog shit, for someone pissing in the street, an old grimy slimey perverted old man and a disgusting looking beard and maybe their own period blood. Aren't there things and people you're disgusted with in life, why 'ick on women for theirs.

[Tenebroso]

Just now, Princess Arabia said:

Listen. This is a public forum where you wrote about it openly for thousands of people to see in the thread by Emerald about dating advice for women. So please don't act as if I know you personally and brought up some secret about you on the internet. I brought it up because I found it necessary to point what you've stated in the past and that you are responding from a place of hurt, and it's personal with you. You are not generalizing as much as you are talking about something that happened to you when you speak of the disgust you say so many women have for some men which is probably the same amount of disgust they have for dog shit, for someone pissing in the street, an old grimy slimey perverted old man and a disgusting looking beard and maybe their own period blood. Aren't there things and people you're disgusted with in life, why 'ick on women for theirs.

So are you just being joyfully mean now? Again I have never said anything personal in all our discussions. I don't understand what you get out of responding to me like this with such venom. 

I feel like you are maybe channeling your frustrations with men and what others have said about you into your responses to me because these responses seem out of place for what we were discussing. 

[Princess Arabia]

16 minutes ago, Kid A said:

Dude, we wanna have sex with random girls we pass on the street at any time just because they look nice… This is a war we cannot win 🤣

It's no war. It's just being a man. 

[Princess Arabia]

14 minutes ago, Tenebroso said:

So are you just being joyfully mean now? Again I have never said anything personal in all our discussions. I don't understand what you get out of responding to me like this with such venom. 

I feel like you are maybe channeling your frustrations with men and what others have said about you into your responses to me because these responses seem out of place for what we were discussing. 

No, my rant was exactly targeted to you and in the moment with what you said to me. I'm not angry at men and I don't have any grudges against them. I said what I said because it's a constant thing with you and don't make me have to go dig up the filing cabinet. All I did was spoke my mind without being disrespectful, maybe I can't remember, using the word fucking once. It gets frustrating with you when all you can say is the same ole same ole no matter what the topic is in this section.

I challenge anybody reading this, just go to his profile, do it, see ALL his responses on this forum is in this section and ALL of them is about how women this and about how women that. ON ANY DATING TOPIC. All of them. Every single one. So, I'm not frustrated with men, I'm frustrated with you. You and i have talked many times on here and have had many discussions but there cones a time when enough is enough as it doesn't seem like you want to converse but you just want to rant against women and it's not something I want to get into a competition match with the person over and over and over and over again.

Read my rant to you and there's nothing in there but a rant and no disrespect and i brought up the scar thing to show that for you its personal and what you say about the disgust thing doesn't go for all or even most women. It's misleading to an audience reading what you're saying because they'll believe it's a general thing and not from a personal experience you had with a particular woman and now youre saying all or most women find men disgusting. 

Edited May 3 by Princess Arabia

[Kid A]

13 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

It's no war. It's just being a man. 

I meant the debate about which gender is more shallow.

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

This discussion is pointless with you because of your obvious disdain for the circumstances surrounding your situation and personal experience. I saw a comment you made to Emerald about your scars and taking off your clothes once and how the woman you were with looked at you in disgust and now you're saying most women look at men with disgust. I'm through with you and even replying to any of your comments in this section. It's pointless and will not be advantageous because you take every topic and rage against the machine about your own personal trauma-based youth and onward and not taking into consideration that your situation is not the majority of cases. Saying generalized things about women that you believe to be the case is one thing but ranting about all women because you have a situation is just unbearable to listen to every time with you. This is why I don't bring up certain personal experiences I've had with men in conversations like these because I understand it's uniqueness to me and is not how men generally are and there are some decent men out there men who love women and would do anything for the woman he's with. Why a judge all men because of some asshole experience even if they were more than one. My point is that it's a numbers game and men will say this all the time when speaking about approaching, so if you have more options with whom you WANT to sleep with the cards. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong but you don't have to sound so fucking angry about it and people have different opinions about things all the time and can disagree without thinking the other is trying to troll or be condescending. It's There are guts on here in loving relationships and when I go out on the weekends sometimes I see lots of loving couples both young and old and also in my daily life just going about. Women aren't going around being in disgust with men in general and maybe you're one to be disgusted by, I don't know, but no need to carry that over in a general discussion and saying I'm wrong just because you were personally traumatized and you have scars on your body that some women are disgusted by. I deliberately wrote this response like this, no paragraphs, left mistakes and all and minimal punctuation because I'm ranting and got disgusted with your constant bickering and whining about women due to your own personal experiences without at least acknowledging that those experiences are just your own. Goodbye and no need fir me to even speak to you again because you only comment in this section and its always something bad to say about women so I won't be missing anything. Chow. 

@Tenebroso this is the rant. I don't see any disrespect, anything here that suggests I think you're beneath me. Any thing here other than me expressing frustration with you personally about the constant communication style you have about women constantly and you were suggesting something awful about all or most women because of a unique situation to you and i thought it was important to bring it up and it was something you already made public for the world to see.

Why bring spirituality into this also. I don't take that everywhere I go and I can separate the two and speak about practical matters without being on a spiritual high-horse like some like to put it. Leave that out this mess.