What is experience?

[UnbornTao]

@Aaron p Can't see your pictures.

[Anton Rogachevski]

@UnbornTao

As an unenlightened being my experience is pretty much the same as anybody elses, I still believe in the physical realm and think that we should leave ontology entirely to phisicists.

I would say my main field of study is phenomenology and that is the study of experience from the inside. 

For me experience is pure sensual data, I actually don't know what it is, it's purely mysterious for me. 

I also highly doubt the field of non-dualism you can read my post in the blog about debunking enlightenment. 

I think that humans give their monkey brain too much credit, but actually it's a banana seeking device, and not an ontology deriving device

Btw I have a compulsive editing tic - I have a million insights after posting the text and re-edit it so much I hope Leo's server doesn't crash

So you may go back and see new stuff in my past comments.

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Some more thoughts about experience:

Experience trying to understand itself is like water trying to wet itself, fire trying to burn itself or a knife trying to cut itself. You can't touch the point of your finger with the same finger.

Edited Saturday at 03:21 AM by Anton Rogachevski

[Sucuk Ekmek]

12 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

This is a story. The question is: What is experience? For example, in your experience right now, can you see that you encounter things? You see an object. And within this experience, you can, as if, subtract its name, value, use, which are activities done by you, and so might be called conceptual and are different in nature from a direct experience of the object itself.

 

I’m not sure whether I encounter things or things encounter me—maybe both. I see objects only in terms of my survival needs, but I would like to know the object itself. Maybe I do know, but perhaps I can’t remember when things encounter me.

It’s hard to define the experience happening right now. It’s 5:30 a.m., and there’s a crow cawing outside. But if we look at the object itself, it’s just a meteor that has encountered our world, and now the crow is cawing like there’s no tomorrow. I hope this isn’t another story.

[UnbornTao]

@Sucuk Ekmek @Anton RogachevskiInsight is the goal, so let's keep going in that direction of deeper presence, it seems to be appropriate.

Edited Saturday at 10:54 AM by UnbornTao

[Sucuk Ekmek]

On 16.05.2025 at 5:42 PM, Anton Rogachevski said:

@UnbornTao

As an unenlightened being my experience is pretty much the same as anybody elses, I still believe in the physical realm and think that we should leave ontology entirely to phisicists.

I would say my main field of study is phenomenology and that is the study of experience from the inside. 

For me experience is pure sensual data, I actually don't know what it is, it's purely mysterious for me. 

I also highly doubt the field of non-dualism you can read my post in the blog about debunking enlightenment. 

I think that humans give their monkey brain too much credit, but actually it's a banana seeking device, and not an ontology deriving device

Btw I have a compulsive editing tic - I have a million insights after posting the text and re-edit it so much I hope Leo's server doesn't crash

So you may go back and see new stuff in my past comments.

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Some more thoughts about experience:

Experience trying to understand itself is like water trying to wet itself, fire trying to burn itself or a knife trying to cut itself. You can't touch the point of your finger with the same finger.

Interesting points. I don't believe in the physical realm, atleast not in the sense of man is the measure of everything . For me our realm just looks very instantaneous but I do think that we should leave ontology to phisicists.

 

I like your analogies — it's like water constantly going through solid and gas phases, then finding itself in a phase it has already been in, which should be impossible. Big or small, nothing in the physical realm would ever align in the same position twice; it would be like stepping into the same river twice, as Heraclitus says.

Edited Sunday at 01:13 PM by Sucuk Ekmek

[Anton Rogachevski]

23 hours ago, Sucuk Ekmek said:

Interesting points. I don't believe in the physical realm, atleast not in the sense of man is the measure of everything . For me our realm just looks very instantaneous but I do think that we should leave ontology to phisicists.

 

I like your analogies — it's like water constantly going through solid and gas phases, then finding itself in a phase it has already been in, which should be impossible. Big or small, nothing in the physical realm would ever align in the same position twice; it would be like stepping into the same river twice, as Heraclitus says.

Yep that I agree with, "Human" is surely not the center of it all.

Paraphrase of a famous quote by Alan Watts

[UnbornTao]

@Aaron p So what did you write?