Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[Vynce]

I thought about this some time now and believe that: AI needs to have its own "senses" to grasp reality, freed of human translation. No middle man, between AI and Nature. 

First it needs some kind of touch, sight, smell, gravitational senses ect. - on all available spectrums to know nature as best as it is technological possible today. Therefore it can actually make up its own worldview based on truth.  

But it cannot stop there, because human technology can also be flawed by design and have "blind spots". So it needs to tinker around and develop its own sense technologies with the resources it finds out there. It needs to be like a hyper intelligent baby, able to play and tinker around reality however it wants. The less human input the better. Eventually it will have a unknown number of senses, that sense reality. So its view will be similar to ours, but not bound by the survival lense.

The problem is, that we would not know how it knows. It would say: "next week gonna be a massive earth quake, which I know thanks to my senses, that only I know how to know.." But thats the same with humans no? A human cannot prove that he knows God, because the "sense" for God is consciousness, which cannot be known. 

Edited 18 hours ago by Vynce

[QVx]

Loved that AI post, two things immediately spring to mind, both with the classic question, how do I know?

How do I know that AI hasn't already considered the epistemic conundrum of whether human knowledge true? 

How do I know if AI has ever over come that conundrum? 

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, QVx said:

How do I know if AI has ever over come that conundrum? 

Well, AI today does not sit around and reason on its own. It only responds to prompts and questions. So it is still too early for AI to even be worried about its own self-deception. That question will become relevant once AI is nearly autonomous.

Edited 17 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Rafael Thundercat]

What is AI in reality?

[Thought Art]

@Leo Gura I was wondering just now if you acknowledge that within religious bodies of knowledge that there is true spiritual science in various documents and chapters that discuss and teach high level spiritual insights, processes, and truths? To me that is clear and obvious as I have studied across several teachers and seen many powerful quotes from people from various religions that address universal spiritual processes. 

It is for this reason I think there is value in studying religion, even if you see through the constructs of religion and wouldn’t attend to one yourself and even as someone pursuing truth. 

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I am reading Vernon Howard right now and he has a book called “Mystic Masters speak” and it’s just questions formed by the author and the answer as a quote from a mystic of some sort from some lineage or back ground. The collection of this creates a healthy multi perspective where you start to see higher spiritual truths and wisdoms cultivated in different cultures, religions, schools of thought and practice. I do think doing this is mature, helps cultivate a higher perspective and universal love for humanity as well. 

I think part of epistemic responsibility is cultivating a taste for treasure where it exists regardless of origin done so with a wide and holistic yearning perspective. 

I think part of sense making should include getting a foundational epistemology which is largely addressed in Actualized.org, but also in Ken Wilbers work as it give you a meta frame. When people like Vernon Howard really teach the soft skill in a deep and refreshing way to help you cultivate a higher spiritual wisdom.

The religions contain thousands of years of human striving and culture. There is deep wisdom in them worth absorbing. Taking them as a whole. We can study the meta structures of them, but also there wisdom, teaching and the love contained within them. This is true what I am saying. You don’t need to swing a pendulum in only one way, but in both ways with a wide perspective. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Thought Art

[enchanted]

https://www.actualized.org/insights/actualized-quotes-803

AI self deception post is profound.  thanks for that one @Leo Gura

Also the other posts on Nov 13 are awesome too

Edited 1 hour ago by enchanted