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[puporing]

8 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

Total non-dual infinity and complete understanding is beyond Christ.

 

9 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

I am humble

The problem is you really believe right now you are "my teacher", this is how tricky this whole work is in the first place, is to figure out who is your teacher because you can really deceive yourself there.

[Thought Art]

@Leo Gura I am using Ego in terms of my particular collection of database, and my mental filters, including culture, language, etc. 

Do they come to me in English? Or, am I interpreting through English?

God isn't talking to me as some other. I've never had a conversation with God. 

I just have my own thoughts and experiences. 

This does raise interesting points. I am Truth, I speak English. So, it's all paradoxically equally true? 

I guess, I don't really get your point.

Everything is God's mind. There isn't really escaping that. There is pure mind and how pure mind expresses itself to finite minds in awakenings can come in many forms. 

I prefer to teach Qigong than preach of how I am Jesus Christ. My love is direct for those who practice with me. I don't need to preach or convert.

@puporing I have no interest in being your teacher. I think you are identifying with a finite mental construction. But, you can do as you please. This seems to bring you meaning and is personal to you. My views and points are different. I have no interest in coddling that while also not meaning disrespect. 

Do I believe this person is literally "the second coming of Christ"? I mean, what does that even mean? Do you think people should pray to you or bow to you? Why does being Christ matter? What about the thousands of other second comings of Christ walking around?

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[puporing]

3 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@puporing I have no interest in being your teacher. I think you are identifying with a finite mental construction. But, you can do as you please. This seems to bring you meaning and is personal to you. My views and points are different. I have no interest in coddling that while also not meaning disrespect. 

But I am not, I am just at a higher state of consciousness that you can't yet understand from your current state.

I am just pointing out that, almost everyone thinks they're my teacher, spiritual or traditional ones, but I know they are not.

I just want to point out how easy it is. 

I'm sure you have had experiences where you run into people who are less awake/aware than you that think they're your teacher.

I'm just trying to make you aware of this potential "pitfall".

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[Terell Kirby]

Just now, puporing said:

almost everyone thinks they're my teacher, spiritual or traditional ones,

Are you conscious that you are imagining them? thats all that really matters

[Thought Art]

@puporing Okie dokie. I just told you, I am sharing my perspective. 

I frankly don't think you are at a higher state of consciousness. I just don't see how you've demonstrated it. Unless, it's entirely implicit. 

But, what am I to gain in doubting you? My own perspective and how I actually think about the things you say and do.

I personally, have no idea what you experience. But, you act like you are at this higher point of awareness than everyone here... But, how would you know that? You don't. You are using Christ name to boost your ego, in my view, perhaps. Or, maybe there is something else going on. I really don't know.

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[puporing]

10 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

Why does being Christ matter?

It matters because hardly anyone has reached here, and it exists as its own unique state. And I am trying to share that this is the mind you came from originally.  

And you guys are missing out from it in my honest opinion. 

There is so much profundity in this state that I hardly care about much else in this world as a result, comparatively..

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[Thought Art]

@puporing If you are referring to a state as Christ? How would you describe it? Compassion, love? Oneness with God? Or, are you Christ the man, the legend. See, when you say that to me I am thinking... What aspect of social construction, from what framing are you saying you are "Christ". 

Because, in human existence, there is Billions of Years before "Christ" which things existed, lived and died. So, It's not possible we all came from Christ because Christ would have had to come from Infinity just like every other finite thing.

Christ, is less interesting to me than God.

When I experience infinity, the absolute, perfection, infinite love, immortality... I don't think or identify it with Christ. I just think it's myself. Idk. It's just my own mind. I've existed for eternity and I am just dreaming. This, mysterious existence which is here. For some reason. 

The fact that it's a field is really boggling to me. I'd like to contemplate that more.

 

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[puporing]

@Thought Art You're not really listening to me, like, I keep telling you it's a higher state, that you obviously just cannot recognize right now, which is a common problem. 

[Thought Art]

@puporing Okay, Christ. Higher state. 

I'll stay open minded. 

I really am still learning.

It doesn't make sense to me, that a higher awakening would be an ego.

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[puporing]

3 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

When I experience infinity, the absolute, perfection, infinite love, immortality... I don't think or identify it with Christ.

Yes and I'm saying there is more mind to be found than all of that. But it requires additional spiritual work.

[Thought Art]

@puporing Okay. I am right here.

[Thought Art]

30 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

But your insights and understanding of God still comes to you in English.

Even when you think, "Oh my God!" on your DMT peak, that's God communicating to you in English.

I've had DMT peaks that were beyond language. I mean, I can't really remember because it's so strange. But, I've seen that this is my own mind. Totally, crazy wild. Just, amazing experiences that showed me my infinite intelligence. Spiraling shapes, geometric orbits and Aztec faces melting all time and matter into itself. But, was there English in that super mind?  or did I use English afterward? I am not sure. DMT is, something else. I know what I've seen with DMT, and I really can't do it for years I think because it's so jarring and extreme.

But, it did show me something I can't deny. 

My mind, my consciousness is God. I am alone the one who dreams. I mean, it's so obvious in those states. But, it's also so perfectly constructed and seamless that other might as well exist. 

"(I know so well that this is all there is)".

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[integral]

25 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@puporing Okie dokie. I just told you, I am sharing my perspective. 

I frankly don't think you are at a higher state of consciousness. I just don't see how you've demonstrated it. Unless, it's entirely implicit. 

If someone is genuinely stuck in God mode all the time, then they would be unable to function like a stable ego.

They would appear probably unhinged and insane or like a zombie? It’s so overwhelming you wouldn’t be able to function.

[Leo Gura]

40 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

I am using Ego in terms of my particular collection of database, and my mental filters, including culture, language, etc. 

That's an overly-broad notion of ego. A mind knowing English should not be called ego. Because ego can be lost but English will still remain operative. I suggest being more precise in your application of the ego label.

What precisely is and is not ego? << something to contemplate

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Do they come to me in English? Or, am I interpreting through English?

Not a meaningful difference. Both are happening and both are important.

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God isn't talking to me as some other. I've never had a conversation with God. 

But even if you're talking to yourself, explaining the world to yourself, making sense of the world to yourself, that's no different than a conversation with God. Intelligence needs a medium to do its work. Thoughts are a medium for Intelligence to create self-understanding.

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I guess, I don't really get your point.

My point is actually very profound and important: be careful not to fall into the trap of reductionism, reducing down Consciousness to some formless abstraction. Intelligence/God needs mediums to operate through, and this should not be reduced or dismissed. Intelligence through the medium of Chinese or rat awakening is equally valid and important. The limitations of the medium should not be reduced to delusions or inferiority.

It takes insane intelligence to receive a message through a limited medium but not attribute the limits of the medium to the communication. You receive the message and you acknowledge, this medium was limited, and there's nothing wrong with that, that's part of the genius and beauty of God. The limitation of the medium itself needs to be integrated into your understanding of Reality. The medium is not just a limitation, it's also equally an affordance. This is a higher intelligence than just dismissing every form as being limited.

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[Leo Gura]

27 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

I've had DMT peaks that were beyond language. I mean, I can't really remember because it's so strange. But, I've seen that this is my own mind. Totally, crazy wild. Just, amazing experiences that showed me my infinite intelligence. Spiraling shapes, geometric orbits and Aztec faces melting all time and matter into itself. But, was there English in that super mind?  or did I use English afterward? I am not sure. DMT is, something else. I know what I've seen with DMT, and I really can't do it for years I think because it's so jarring and extreme.

Don't get hung up on English specifically. My point is not limited to English. It also applies to God communicating to you through spiral shapes, Aztec faces, space rats, geometric orbits, dancing jesters, flashing colors, emotions, or anything else. Those are all mediums for Intelligence to create self-understanding.

My point is to appreciate how the finite medium enables self-understanding and not to attempt to reduce it down.

So when a Christian sees Jesus in his pancake, there's something profound happening there beyond the naive literalist account of it.

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[Thought Art]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That's an overly-broad notion of ego. A mind knowing English should not be called ego. Because ego can be lost but English will still remain operative. I suggest being more precise in your application of the ego label.

What precisely is and is not ego? << something to contemplate

Not a meaningful difference. Both are happening and both are important.

But even if you're talking to yourself, explaining the world to yourself, making sense of the world to yourself, that's no different than a conversation with God. Intelligence needs a medium to do its work. Thoughts are a medium for Intelligence to create self-understanding.

My point is actually very profound and important: be careful not to fall into the trap of reductionism, reducing down Consciousness to some formless abstraction. Intelligence/God needs mediums to operate through, and this should not be reduced or dismissed. Intelligence through the medium of Chinese or rat awakening is equally valid and important. The limitations of the medium should not be reduced to delusions or inferiority.

I will contemplate what is precisely or isn't precisely Ego. However, notice how Language does has connections to Ego which can't fully be separated. 

Well, consider what you consider a loss of Ego, isn't complete. States of consciousness exist where there is no language or even memory of being human. So, we are discussing, more human types states where the mind is still contemplating, still active as a human.

It would be a mistake to assume I am reducing consciousness down to formless abstraction. I have no problem with what you are saying here.

I don't understand @puporing or not nature of "I am the second coming of Christ". Perhaps, for them this is something genuine. I admit to applying what I learned from "Integral Metatheory" to understand her. Yes, Genuine awakening, but it's a particular type of awakening due to their of growing up, waking up, etc, and how these meet.

But, we have an issue here. You speak of Christianity of a social construct, yet it seems like you are also saying... Well, it's all God. Which is true. But, without a social construct, how would God communicate to a human? Seems impossible.

@Leo Gura This is something I don't understand. If God is consciousness, why would it need a medium to operate through? The only reason it would have to do that is because in this current state, as a human, I have limitations and constraints put in place right? To keep this dream consistent. Something isn't adding up here.

Good night.

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[Terell Kirby]

11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It takes insane intelligence to receive a message through a limited medium but not attribute the limits of the medium to the communication. 

an example, Leo tells me I am God, but I don't like his bald head .. therefore his words are meaningless- I shouldn't listen to what he says

I can think this whilst not be conscious of how i'm constructing the whole thing

[puporing]

5 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

nature of "I am the second coming of Christ".

 

5 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

why would it need a medium to operate through?

It is emphasized because almost nobody has rediscovered this state since the creation of this universe where your mind has split off from it, except as realized in Jesus. 

It is going to be very tricky to get anyone here, because of how tricky this work really is.

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[Thought Art]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Don't get hung up on English specifically. My point is not limited to English. It also applies to God communicating to you through spiral shapes, Aztec faces, space rats, geometric orbits, dancing jesters, flashing colors, emotions, or anything else. Those are all mediums for Intelligence to create self-understanding.

So, your point is God communicates to itself, in awakenings, in a myriad of diverse and novel ways? Unique to the person, the substance, etc?

[Thought Art]

@puporing Are you saying I need to realize I am Jesus Christ?

I have had an awakening like this. I just didn't let it go to my head. 

I took, whatever that was and I wanted to boil that love into something that wasn't dogmatic... and I just taught Qigong.

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