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[gettoefl]

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

What is happening to him is simple and obvious: he has focused completely on the mental. has forgotten the energetic facet, the most important. he despises humanity because he only grasps its stupidity on a mental level, which is the case, but he does not grasp the enormous human vital drive. it does not realize humanity as a living evolutionary organism of infinite intelligence. It is disconnected from the source. In short, he has become an intellectual

he is swinging from pole to pole like any good monkey teacher, one season i emphasize the love and the next the stupidity

[gettoefl]

3 hours ago, BlessedLion said:

What I’m saying is being a spiritual teacher is a huge responsibility. People shouldn’t take it up unless they are ready to take on that role. And him cheating on his wife is definitely not cool and out of integrity. Probably turned off some of his students completely from spirituality doing them a huge disservice. If he was just a normal dude plumber who cheated, fine, but he’s not, he’s in a position where many peoples “souls” are relying on him to lead them to God and awakening and he can’t let his dick control him. True teachers know this and he would’ve been wise to just get a divorce if he wanted to sleep with other people 

when has rupert spira spoken about rupert spira in any of his talks or even said come follow me and i will make you enlightened among men

maybe he is acting scandalously as a device to see if i understand that the human is not the being, one is a machine the other is a master

[Rafael Thundercat]

20 minutes ago, VictorB02 said:

Ken Wilber is explaining what happened to Timothy Leary over 40 years ago: too much psychedelic use closes the compassionate heart and detaches you from your humanity.

Zen sickness.

https://buddhismnow.com/2015/09/12/zen-sickness-by-zen-master-hakuin/

[BlessedLion]

2 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

when has rupert spira spoken about rupert spira in any of his talks or even said come follow me and i will make you enlightened among men

maybe he is acting scandalously as a device to see if i understand that the human is not the being, one is a machine the other is a master

Him hosting retreats and writing books is essentially saying “I have wisdom and spiritual truths and can lead you to those.” 
 

Im amazed how many of you guys are excusing this behavior from a spiritual teacher. 

[BlessedLion]

1 hour ago, What Am I said:

The act of entering and maintaining legit states of meditation causes a kind of purification process throughout your body and mind. I've found that 5-MeO-DMT in particular replicates similar states and triggers the same process. Once some purification has happened, it's so much easier to access authentic spirituality when sober. At least that's been my experience.

Would you see value in its continued use beyond beginner with that benefit in mind? With the eventual goal of tapering off as it's less needed, and eventually running on your own steam? It's a booster of sorts, and I'm sure it's not without risks, but if used correctly in the proper context, it seems to point you in the right direction like nothing else can. I'm also on board with the notion that a sober consistent practice is paramount, and psychedelic use on its own will undoubtedly end in frustration.

I think there is room for that if the practitioner is very mature and intentional with the use. That this is for awakening and eventually dropping it. I think 5MEO has that potential based on what I’ve studied, but there’s a huge risk of getting lost in it like Leo because it’s so hard to get those awakenings sober 

[gettoefl]

1 minute ago, BlessedLion said:

Him hosting retreats and writing books is essentially saying “I have wisdom and spiritual truths and can lead you to those.” 
 

Im amazed how many of you guys are excusing this behavior from a spiritual teacher. 

i'm amazed how many people look at scurrilous allegations and think a teacher's teaching and status must be invalid

i see in my teacher what i don't want to see in myself

[BlessedLion]

24 minutes ago, VictorB02 said:

Yes that's a great way of framing it. I feel we are pointing to the same thing just have a slightly different feel for it...

So weird. So cool. I love this stuff

For sure. And yes, consciousness study is the motha fuckin shit! 

[BlessedLion]

Just now, gettoefl said:

i'm amazed how many people look at scurrilous allegations and think a teacher's teaching and status must be invalid

i see in my teacher what i don't want to see in myself

Then we agree to disagree 👍 If someone is going to teach me, especially in the field of spirituality, I hold them to a ridiculous standard of integrity and excellence 

[VictorB02]

Just now, BlessedLion said:

consciousness study is the motha fuckin shit! 

For sure. It's kind of funny how, from a Birds Eye view, it's a fucking miracle any of us even encountered this material at all, let alone get to a point to where we can argue and debate its nuances.

I'm just happy to be here, lol.

[Rafael Thundercat]

2 hours ago, Water by the River said:

And at some point in the future, business will become difficult for teachers not comitting to something like that. It will be like trying to sell something without ISO 9001 in certain industries. Doesn't work... 

      This Could be a seal used to show the space is free from abuse. 

 

[gettoefl]

12 minutes ago, BlessedLion said:

Then we agree to disagree 👍 If someone is going to teach me, especially in the field of spirituality, I hold them to a ridiculous standard of integrity and excellence 

myself appreciates banana chasing monkeys just like me ... lots of love 👍

[What Am I]

14 minutes ago, BlessedLion said:

I think there is room for that if the practitioner is very mature and intentional with the use. That this is for awakening and eventually dropping it. I think 5MEO has that potential based on what I’ve studied, but there’s a huge risk of getting lost in it like Leo because it’s so hard to get those awakenings sober 

Yeah, I agree on the requirement of maturity and intentional use. It's an important line of demarcation between just messing around or acting with a purpose.

[Rafael Thundercat]

1 hour ago, VictorB02 said:

This is really interesting, because I just read Ram Dass's autobiography, Being Ram Dass, and one of the things that Ram Dass said happened to Timothy Leary after all of their psychedelic use at Harvard and Millbrook was that he started to really close his heart to humans and see them as "fake." Like he used to be a kind open guy but after all their trips he would start to call people "puppets" and continually get into altercations and fights with those around him

Yes, maybe the difference rest on some people have a more Heart approach more Loving-kindness (Metta) and other like Jonh Lilly a more Experimental and Mental approach. Look what Lilly did to Dolphins for example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Lilly

Lilly conducted high-altitude research during World War II and later trained as a psychoanalyst. He gained renown in the 1950s after developing the isolation tank. He saw the tanks, in which users are isolated from almost all external stimuli, as a means to explore the nature of human consciousness. He later combined that work with his efforts to communicate with dolphins. He began studying how bottlenose dolphins vocalize, establishing centers in the U.S. Virgin Islands, and later San Francisco, to study dolphins. A decade later, he began experimenting with psychedelics, including LSD, often while floating in isolation.[2] His work inspired two Hollywood movies, The Day of the Dolphin (1973) and Altered States (1980), as well as the videogame series Ecco the Dolphin.

By the way. Wow, THIS Jonh Lilly guy is a sort of a Nut Crazy Scientist. I was reading the whole Wikipedia of him and Jesus.. the guy just got Nut as Hell hehe ..

from His Wiki---- Quote

"Solid State Intelligence"[edit]

Solid State Intelligence (S.S.I.) is a malevolent entity described by Lilly in his 1978 autobiography, The Scientist. According to Lilly, the network of computation-capable solid state systems (electronics) engineered by humans will eventually develop into an autonomous "bioform." Since the optimal survival conditions for this bioform (low-temperature vacuum) are drastically different from those humans need (room temperature aerial atmosphere and adequate water supply), Lilly predicted (or "prophesied," based on his ketamine-induced visions) a dramatic conflict between the two forms of intelligence.[26][27]

He was making the prophecy of an AGI ?? 

Edited June 15, 2024 by Rafael Thundercat

[VictorB02]

16 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Yes, maybe the difference rest on some people have a more Heart approach more Loving-kindness (Metta) and other like Jonh Lilly a more Experimental and Mental approach

Oh yeah for sure. I don't disagree that there are certain dispositions, and I don't disagree that Timothy had accessed some pretty profound consciousness. I just think in the case with Timothy Leary it was more that it radically changed his natural disposition and personality of being kind and open to combative and detached. But who knows how much of that was just the scene of the 60's and 70's and them being constantly under pressure for their psychedelic use. I could've done the same thing, but I'd like to think regardless of how hard life gets I never lose that Love. To me, Love is the Highest.

Edited June 15, 2024 by VictorB02

[What Am I]

10 minutes ago, VictorB02 said:

Oh yeah for sure. I don't disagree that there are certain dispositions, and I don't disagree that Timothy had accessed some pretty profound consciousness. I just think in the case with Timothy Leary it was more that it radically changed his natural disposition and personality of being kind and open to combative and detached. But who knows how much of that was just the scene of the 60's and 70's and them being constantly under pressure for their psychedelic use. I could've done the same thing, but I'd like to think regardless of how hard life gets I never lose that Love. To me, Love is the Highest. 

If psychedelics were to cause that kind of change over time (which I agree does seem to be evidenced in some cases), I wonder what the mechanism would be. Maybe some kind of altered neurotrasmitter effect? I don't think I see it in myself, but it can be hard to accurately judge yourself objectively.

Edited June 15, 2024 by What Am I

[VictorB02]

17 minutes ago, What Am I said:

If psychedelics were to cause that kind of change over time (which I agree does seem to be evidenced in some cases), I wonder what the mechanism would be. Maybe some kind of altered neurotrasmitter effect? I don't think I see it in myself, but it can be hard to accurately judge yourself subjectively.

Yeah I mean you are blasting your minds neurocircuitry every time you do a psychedelic, so repeated heavy use is definitely going to effect your dopamine / serotonin neurotrasmitters and all sorts of stuff, maybe permanently. All those circuits play into empathy, love, and just feeling good sober.

I know when I smoke weed a lot I turn into a fucking asshole. You'd think "weed smokers are nice and loving" but it's the opposite, because the mind gets so drained from being blasted by chemicals that it literally can't function normally. I would think this is what happened to Timothy, but at the same time Ram Dass turned out fine and did just as much, so who knows. It could be a disposition, just like how people with a psychotic or schizophrenic disposition can be seriously damaged by psyches, I would imagine if you have a disposition for "hate" or "anger" that could definitely amplify things and turn you into a monster. Seems like Ken Wilber had a similar insight.

Edited June 15, 2024 by VictorB02

[What Am I]

9 minutes ago, VictorB02 said:

I would think this is what happened to Timothy, but at the same time Ram Dass turned out fine and did just as much, so who knows. It could be a disposition, just like how people with a psychotic or schizophrenic disposition can be seriously damaged by psyches, I would imagine if you have a disposition for "hate" or "anger" that could definitely amplify things and turn you into a monster. Seems like Ken Wilber had a similar insight.

Really interesting stuff. I can only hope I fall on the side that doesn't get twisted from abundant use.

I remember watching that Ken Wilber Ayahuasca video so long ago. A lot of what he says rings true. It would have been helpful to hear his thoughts on psychedelics based on personal experience, since he's such an insightful guy in general, but their use just wasn't part of his path.

Edited June 15, 2024 by What Am I

[VictorB02]

10 minutes ago, What Am I said:

Really interesting stuff. I can only hope I fall on the side that doesn't get twisted from abundant use.

I remember watching that Ken Wilber Ayahuasca video so long ago. A lot of what he says rings true. It would have been helpful to hear his thoughts on psychedelics based on personal experience, since he's such an insightful guy in general.

Yeah it is. And that video is great.

My intuition tells me that repeated psyche use, over and over and over, is a very thin line to walk. Not only for your neurochemistry and overall health, but for your humanity.

To me, profound and far out states of consciousness aren't worth turning into a monster for. If you lose Love, do you really have anything left?

Edited June 15, 2024 by VictorB02

[What Am I]

10 minutes ago, VictorB02 said:

Yeah it is. And that video is great.

My intuition tells me that repeated psyche use, over and over and over, is a very thin line to walk. Not only for your neurochemistry and overall health, but for your humanity.

To me, profound and far out states of consciousness aren't worth turning into a monster for. If you lose Love, do you really have anything left?

Right, I'm with you. An improvement and sophistication of my morality has mostly been a 1:1 correlation with spiritual advancement. It's hard to imagine it any other way, and it's a sentiment shared by most of the traditions. And most important of all, good feels good and bad feels bad lol. So why choose bad?

Edited June 15, 2024 by What Am I

[VictorB02]

51 minutes ago, What Am I said:

Right, I'm with you. An improvement and sophistication of my morality has mostly been a 1:1 correlation with spiritual advancement. It's hard to imagine it any other way, and it's a sentiment shared by most of the traditions. And most important of all, good feels good and bad feels bad lol. So why choose bad?

Yup I'm right with you. One of the reasons why Ram Dass will forever be a true Guru to me.