Enlightenment doesn't exist and you are just the collective consciousness

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Ahbapx said:

That doesn't mean that much to me because as far as I can see almost nobody can agree on what one's true nature is, at least it would be useful to see what is the person's definition.

Haha.  Yes indeed there are many quarrels here surrounding this topic.   So I can understand where the concept of enlightenment has become foggy..or shall we say, the waters have been muddied.   

Let's hear what he has to say.

Edited April 2, 2024 by Inliytened1

[Hojo]

by understanding and having gratefulness that we arent  a table  but act as a table right now  we can become a God.

Edited April 2, 2024 by Hojo

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

by understanding and having gratefulness that we arent  a table right now  we can become a God.

Oh but you are a table right now.   Separation between any object in your direct observation and yourself is made only by your own mind creating distinctions.  If you can somehow remove these distinctions from your mind, you will find that you and a table are not so different.   In fact, by such logic it would not make you so different from God either. 

Edited April 2, 2024 by Inliytened1

[Hojo]

@Inliytened1 Thank you you have increased my understanding

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Inliytened1 Thank you you have increased my understanding

You're quite welcome.   Your understanding of God and tables was already quite advanced.   I simply bumped it up a notch,  you might say.  

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[Hojo]

@Inliytened1 This is meta level assumptions its not a phat ass im grabbing its not a sensation of softness in my hands its not my hands touching a fat ass its not my sensor system feeling that its not my boner. Its just all of it without concept or question.

Edited April 2, 2024 by Hojo

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@Inliytened1 This is meta level assumptions its not a phat ass im grabbing its not a sensation of softness in my hands its not my hands touching a fat ass its not my sensor system feeling that its not my boner. Its just all of it without concept or question.

Haha.  You seem to have a strange fascination with fat asses.  I won't get between that.   No pun intended.

[Hojo]

@Inliytened1 the love of my life had a fat ass and I love pear shaped women now.

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Inliytened1 the love of my life had a fat ass and I love pear shaped women now.

Me too.

[enchanted]

32 minutes ago, Ahbapx said:

It should be mandatory to define used terms before writing anything...

What enlightenment are you talking about? 

As Leo says, there are infinite facets and levels to enlightenment. Since infinity is the same as zero, there is no enlightenment. 

[Ahbapx]

6 minutes ago, enchanted said:

As Leo says, there are infinite facets and levels to enlightenment. Since infinity is the same as zero, there is no enlightenment. 

Sure, I agree that most "enlightenment" definitions are BS. Such as Positing enlightenment as a single endpoint rather than an ongoing process of deepening wisdom, ethics, and human flourishing over a lifetime.

That being said, 

What if you are rejecting an "enlightenment" definition defined by a specific person that addresses a specific realization that has a significant impact on one's life?

are we still talking about the same enlightenment?

 

 

[Inliytened1]

13 minutes ago, enchanted said:

As Leo says, there are infinite facets and levels to enlightenment. Since infinity is the same as zero, there is no enlightenment. 

There is also the non-dual realization that is enlightenment- it is truly the totality of all of infinity.   While Infinity can also be ever expanding- there is such a thing as total Enlightenment.  The awakened one can then proceed on to have an ever deeper understanding of reality.  But enlightenment itself is total - so, in short, there are two perspectives of looking at this - making Inifnity paradoxical by its very nature.   There is the enlightenment of total Infinity - but then there can be the further expression of infinity through actually living out new potential possibilities  

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[Hojo]

@Ahbapx God is a tv set. There are infinite channels. But God would not be wathcing the tv set if there werent any channels so it watches all of them at the same time pretending to be all of them. But it can actually change the channel if it stops identifying with the channel its on. That takes the realization that its all alone and total surrender of the channel its on. It has to become accepting and non desiring of anything and therefore its care and love go to you automatically because you are the undesirable thing God wanted to watch because it realises that being a God isnt all its cut out to be. Until it wakes up and realizes its you.

 

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[Ahbapx]

9 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Ahbapx God is a tv set. There are infinite channels. But God would not be wathcing the tv set if there werent any channels so it watches all of them at the same time pretending to be all of them. But it can actually change the channel if it stops identifying with the channel its on. That takes the realization that its all alone and total surrender of the channel its on. It has to become accepting and non desiring of anything and therefore its care and love go to you automatically because you are the undesirable thing God wanted to watch because it realises that being a God isnt all its cut out to be. Until it wakes up and realizes its you.

 

And? that doesn't ring any bell at all for me, why would that be important at all?

[Inliytened1]

@Ahbapx he's cluttering the thread with useless nonsense.  The tv analogy was OK - but not delivered to expectations.  If such behavior persists, it will be met with dire consequences.

Edited April 2, 2024 by Inliytened1

[Ahbapx]

4 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Ahbapx he's cluttering the thread with useless nonsense.  The tv anslogy was OK - but not delivered to expectations.  If such behavior persists, it will be met with dire consequences.

brutha what are you even talking about ?!

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Ahbapx said:

brutha what are you even talking about ?!

He will be warned for thread cluttering next time - ignore him. 

[Javfly33]

Enlightment is simply knowing Who you are 

[Davino]

8 hours ago, enchanted said:

You would know nothing about enlightenment, politics, or anything. Do you think you could still get "enlightened" somehow? Without all of society's explanations would enlightened be easier to obtain?

Someone had to do it the first time... That's how you know about it anyways 

[Razard86]

12 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

This is interesting to ponder.  And an excellent question.   One normally needs culture and the reliance of society to ultimately find their way, whether this be spirituality, or for that matter any art - from basic survival tactics all the way up to much more advanced areas of life such as science and spirituality.  Being by yourself, isolated on an island, indeed puts you at a great disadvantage as you do not have the assistance of other minds to help you navigate life.  In a sense, it could almost be said that you would be no different than the very first humans, as you would not have the collective society and the advancements made by previous generations for you to rely on.  However with that said, this wouldn't make awakening impossible.   Please note that awakening can also occur spontaneously - meaning divine states of consciousness can be accessible without any spiritual practices.  In fact, suffering alone can induce divine, mystical states of consciousness - but this is not the norm.  It is quite possible that you could go through life never awakening to your true nature.  At the same time, it is quite feasible that you could.  Because it does not necessarily require meditation practice or psychedelics.  So the possibility exists, though not probable. 

This is how religion was formed. Every group of humans in recorded history had religion.