Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Breakingthewall]

11 minutes ago, Raze said:

Their understanding of the subject is shockingly shallow, their ability to interpret evidence grotesquely underdeveloped, and their moral and analytical judgment dangerously unmoored from reality. Anyone relying o

More insulting. 

Look, this video look a man of gaza in extreme starvation 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DN59sInjY0y/?igsh=MTN2OGRubDhuZXllMA==

Then this other video shows some kids in gaza during the war, with a man who is teaching them that Hamas is bad

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DP-zIUODTS0/?igsh=b3MxYmF2aGtsaW9s

Then, those kids eat properly, and the man should control carbs due his belly, but the previous one is like in Auschwitz 

I know than in your opinion I'm a retarded idiot etc who don't believe in the organization of whatever. True, I just believe In logic, then I see this and my conclusión is that the starvation is very exaggerating or directly a lie 

 

[Breakingthewall]

Call me retarded and those things that you say, but I see this video, and I'm sure that it's a made up 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNWKxG3ySpe/?igsh=ajBhYTM1aXQ2ZG9j

Look all the drama, The people at Auschwitz were less desperate, all at once with the moving containers, then he fills a woman's pot with a watery liquid typical of Stalingrad, a boiled potato for 20 people.

It's nice that you believe this, and your heart fills with indignation towards the evil Jew, but, call me an idiot again, I'm sure it's a lie, and if they need to lie, it's for a reason, because it's not that serious. It's a joke for fools. In real they give to people packets of food, not that shit, please. Don't be so naive.

Edited yesterday at 09:21 PM by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

Look carefully the people. It's hard situation (really I feel jealous, I would like being in that shit, over all being a kid, what adventure) but look carefully the bodies. Look the woman in the hospital in the first video or the bald man in the second one

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPELxZ_jdm6/?igsh=MWVsaWhkYTdrdHc2dQ==

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMqeqpmAOyr/?igsh=cHloZG9jdWx0dzh3

Or this one 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOgEtaZDlx-/?igsh=dGxuaWVmYmVtcWV0

Edited yesterday at 09:34 PM by Breakingthewall

[zazen]

@Breakingthewall What are you on about. Your sharing videos of people clearly in agony, in the masses going after aid - what’s your point? That it’s all some movie set created to get the world’s sympathy or simply mocking their pain?

Chat GPT:

“Starvation isn’t always the image of skeletal bodies — especially in its early and middle stages, or when people are surviving on minimal calories, nutrient-poor food, or occasional aid. You can have:

- Severe malnutrition without visible emaciation, particularly if people retain water (edema) or survive on carbs without protein.

- Periods of brief refeeding, which mask chronic deprivation

Famine means extreme food deprivation, acute malnutrition, and elevated death rates, not just visible emaciation.

Visibility and photographic evidence can lag: some people may be in advanced malnutrition before visible “skeleton” stage; water retention, edema, displacement, malnutrition without cachexia all complicate the optics.”

Starvation was used as a pressure tactic / bargaining chip. Zionists on this forum in the early days of this “war” used to say so themselves when the Israel thread used to have everyone commenting on it daily (now days it’s a lot more quiet). It was intended to “pressure” Hamas. Anyone here remember those discussions? *crickets

- Defense Minister Yoav Gallant (Oct 9, 2023):
“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed.”  

- Energy Minister Israel Katz (Oct 12, 2023):
“No electrical switch will be turned on, no water pump will be opened and no fuel truck will enter until the Israeli abductees are returned home.”

In 2025 from Le Monde: 

Israel has come under mounting international pressure, including from key backer the United States, to lift a total blockade it imposed on Gaza more than two months ago. "We must not let the population (of Gaza) sink into famine, both for practical and diplomatic reasons," Netanyahu said, adding that even friends of Israel would not tolerate "images of mass starvation."

Imagine thinking you need to prevent famine for “practical and diplomatic” reasons rather than actual moral reasons of it just being the wrong fucking thing to do. What a dark piece of shit Bibi is.

My cousin actually worked in the Red Cross in Gaza for some years before all of this - she came back to the UK way before October 7th and she’s been traumatised just by her experience and what she saw or had to deal with there (before October 7th even). So don’t get the point you’re trying to make - that it’s all fake and exaggerated? Or you’re simply mocking it which shows your heartlessness like Bibi.

Raze is right to respond with just AI and not waste any breath or energy in responding if so.

The following is the level of tone deafness on display from you:

Sudans famine is notoriously known and accepted to be one. Go google Sudan famine in images and see for yourself - not everyone “looks” like a skeleton who is considered to be under condition of famine.

Edited 23 hours ago by zazen

[Raze]

@Breakingthewall

OH..my..god. This is incredible!

Look, here are people captured from the Warsaw ghetto uprising, they look normal, none of skin and bones, that must be proof there was no starvation! The entire famous warsaw ghetto hunger study was a fabrication!

And wait, look at this, this was a famous photo about a Sudan famine, but look, the guy in the photo looks perfectly fine! Oh my god, you figured it out, that entire famine never happened!

What genius, you’ve literally debunked two of the most famous famines in history. Surely this is the work of a master analyst.

We need to contact the universities and the news, this is a historical event, a scholar on this forum has figured out a way to disprove every famine just with photos. He’s basically the Isaac Newton or Einstein of starvation studies at this point. 

 

And look at this, this was supposedly a photo taken during the great Chinese famine, the largest famine in history.

But if you look closely the kids here clearly have plump cheeks.

Oh my god…the entire famine never happened. Literally this might be the biggest single historic so discovery of our century. This utter genius has just figured out that what was originally considered the largest famine of history never actually happened, it’s all fake! And he did it using supposed “photo evidence”

Please someone must call the universities, the historians, the government even, he needs a Nobel prize. This level of genius is unmatched.  We are literally looking at a history defining genius, surely there’s no other possibility.   

Edited 23 hours ago by Raze

[Breakingthewall]

23 minutes ago, zazen said:

Defense Minister Yoav Gallant (Oct 9, 2023):
“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed.”  

Then they endure 2 years without food . A feat 

23 minutes ago, zazen said:

Your sharing videos of people clearly in agony, in the masses going after aid - what’s your point? That it’s all some movie set created to get the world’s sympathy or simply mocking their pain?

Are made up to show the evilness of Israel. The game of hamas is that, and they do well, it's its better weapon. But look to the videos carefully, if you watch a lot you will see. Of course there is war and death, but there is not famine. Please, don't get angry and that, I feel feel sympathy for the Palestinians, but I try to understand their game, what I would do if I were them.

23 minutes ago, zazen said:

Starvation isn’t always the image of skeletal bodies — especially in its early and middle stages, or when people are surviving on minimal calories, nutrient-poor food, or occasional aid. You can have:

There is 2 years of war, the people looks healthy. Obviously they are not eating like in peace time, but not starvation. I once lost 10 kg in 3 weeks in a circumstance. If were 2 years I would be dead much before 

23 minutes ago, zazen said:

My cousin actually worked in the Red Cross in Gaza for some years before all of this - she came back to the UK way before October 7th and she’s been traumatised just by her experience and what she saw or had to deal with there (before October 7th even). So don’t get the point you’re trying to make - that it’s all fake and exaggerated? Or you’re simply mocking it which shows your heartlessness like Bibi.

Seems that you don't understand what I mean. that this is a war. Of course if you work in red cross you will see a lot of death, but we are talking about famine as a weapon, used intentionally by the Jews to defeat Hamas. It doesn't happened. Just look to the people. I ve been in Mauritania, where people is much more miserable than there. In east gambia and south Senegal, and there in gaza they look much more healthier 

Edited 23 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

12 minutes ago, Raze said:

 

12 minutes ago, Raze said:

Look, here are people captured from the Warsaw ghetto uprising, they look normal, none of skin and bones, that must be proof there was no starvation

The picture is obviously before the starvation, where they were getting in

 

13 minutes ago, Raze said:

He’s a massive imbecilic numbskul

What is your problem? You must be banned from here. It's sure that you are very coward in face, a puppy, that's why you are so offensive here. 

The videos where a lot of people is trying to get food desperately are false and it's proven. If I were Hamas , I would do a lot of those videos, because are useful, people like you would believe anything 

Anyway, stop insulting me, on face you wouldn't dare in any case, so don't do online. 

 

[Raze]

Fuck. The AI is bugged, it doesn’t even understand the gravity of this.

Prompt: Some people claim there is starvation in Gaza, but I saw some Instagram videos of people in Gaza who don’t look starving. As of today isn’t that proof that there was never any starvation and it was never used as a weapon of war? Answer in paragraphs.

Result: No, that is not proof at all. The existence of videos showing some people in Gaza who appear not to be starving does not disprove the existence of starvation, nor does it negate evidence that starvation has been used as a weapon of war. Starvation is not a uniform or universal condition—its effects differ depending on access to aid, geography, and social position. In every famine or siege in modern history, including Yemen, Sudan, and Syria, there have always been people who looked physically healthy even while others in the same population were dying of hunger. Seeing a few individuals on social media who appear well-fed is statistically meaningless compared to large-scale, systematic data collected by humanitarian agencies.

Prompt: But that’s impossible, someone showed multiple Instagram videos. That is proof. This person is probably a genius.

Result: It may seem persuasive when someone shows multiple videos of people in Gaza who don’t appear emaciated—but that still isn’t proof of the absence of starvation, and it doesn’t make that person a genius. It simply means they are confusing selective visual evidence with comprehensive data. Anyone can find online clips that show one reality while ignoring another. For example, you can find videos from Somalia during its 1990s famine where some people appear healthy, even as tens of thousands were dying of hunger nearby. Visual snippets never represent the full picture—they represent what someone chose to record and what the platform chose to amplify.

To call that “proof” misunderstands how evidence works. Humanitarian agencies use data from on-the-ground assessments: household surveys, medical screenings, mortality rates, and food supply analyses. These show rates of acute malnutrition, food insecurity, and hunger far beyond what any individual could observe through social media. When organizations like UNICEF, the WFP, and the IPC—all of which operate independently and with strict methodologies—report famine-level hunger, that is actual proof.

Prompt: But I told them an AI already said all this, and they actually posted even more videos from Instagram showing people in response, doesn’t that prove he actually knows more than all the other organizations. He even said he went to Africa before and saw starvation there and because the people in the videos don’t look as bad it can’t be happening in Gaza.

Result: No, that still doesn’t prove he knows more than the organizations that actually monitor food security in war zones. In fact, what you’re describing is a classic example of false expertise—someone mistaking personal impressions and selective anecdotes for real evidence. Having been to Africa or having seen starving people before does not make someone an authority on famine conditions in Gaza, just as visiting a hospital doesn’t make someone a doctor. The organizations documenting starvation—like the UN’s Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC), UNICEF, and the World Food Programme—base their conclusions on systematic data: tens of thousands of samples, nutritional surveys, and mortality records. No individual, no matter how confident or experienced, can replicate that by scrolling Instagram or recalling past experiences.

What he’s doing—comparing how people in one famine “looked” to people in another—shows a deep misunderstanding of how starvation actually manifests. Malnutrition doesn’t always produce extreme thinness visible to an untrained eye. Children can die of acute wasting or severe micronutrient deficiency long before appearing “skeletal.” Adults may look relatively normal while suffering organ damage from prolonged lack of protein or clean water. And in Gaza’s case, conditions vary block by block: one family might have a few days of food while the next has none. So using visual appearance alone is not just unscientific—it’s dangerously misleading.

Prompt: You don’t understand, this is a very highly developed intellectual person, they actually studied this topic deeply. They’ve been speaking authoritatively on this for a while now, why else would they be so confident in their beliefs if it wasn’t true?

Result: Confidence can look like knowledge, but they’re not the same thing. History is full of extremely confident, articulate people who were completely wrong—sometimes disastrously so. People can be intelligent, educated, and persuasive while still falling into deep error, especially when their views serve ideological or emotional needs. In fact, highly confident people are often the most prone to overestimating their understanding; psychologists call this the Dunning–Kruger effect—where limited insight produces inflated certainty.

[Raze]

11 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The picture is obviously before the starvation, where they were getting in

No, the photo was the uprising fighters arrested after 1943, you can see the damage from the battle in the background, the study about starvation was done in 42, it was supposedly well under way.

So it must be the starvation didn’t happen, you figured it out. This is groundbreaking.

How could starvation happen if some of the people in the photos taken when the starvation “allegedly“ happened, not look visibly starving? The only possibility is it didn’t happen. You proved not only me wrong, but literally most holocaust scholars who for decades have said starvation happened in the Warsaw ghetto. It’s unbelievable brilliance.

 

11 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

 

 

What is your problem? You must be banned from here. It's sure that you are very coward in face, a puppy, that's why you are so offensive here. 

The videos where a lot of people is trying to get food desperately are false and it's proven. If I were Hamas , I would do a lot of those videos, because are useful, people like you would believe anything 

Anyway, stop insulting me, on face you wouldn't dare in any case, so don't do online. 

 

Did you not read what I said? I said that would be the only other possibility, but that’s obviously not true, you actually debunked literally the most famous starvation events in history. Just by looking at photos you figured out how to demolish decades of scholarship. This is literally upending the entire profession. It’s a once in a life time transformational discovery.

 

Edited 23 hours ago by Raze

[Breakingthewall]

@Raze

It seems difficult for you to understand, and you constantly lie. If you show a photo of a woman in good health and say, "So, there was no famine?" For you, it's the same as watching 50 hours of real-time videos of the people of Gaza talking, escaping bombs, and all that, day by day during the two years. No, it's different. 

And stop insulting. If you don't have the intellectual capacity to speak normally, get out of here. Same with the lies. You don't want to understand, just be right. Then you won't see the reality, just what you want to see, so I prefer don't talk with you. Zazen is very different, he's very biased because his circumstances but totally other attitude to the reality, some openness.  Yours is closed and aggressive, not interesting at all. Just a while to deal with people like you, that are a lot, is interesting as a training, but it's enough, talk with other people that agree with you with your hate to the evil Jews and the satan American, and believe that you are a political analyst, be happy 

Edited 23 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Raze]

26 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then they endure 2 years without food . A feat 

Wait a second.

They say the holocaust lasted over 10 years.

But there are millions of survivors. 

How could they survive when they were “starving” for ten years.

Holy shit…

I just found this photo from the holocaust.

But you can see the guy sitting on the right doesn’t even look starving.

Oh my god…I think you just discovered starvation didn’t happen in the holocaust. There is literally no other possible explanation. 

[Raze]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

@Raze

It seems difficult for you to understand, and you constantly lie. If you show a photo of a woman in good health and say, "So, there was no famine?" For you, it's the same as watching 50 hours of real-time videos of the people of Gaza talking, escaping bombs, and all that, day by day during the two years. No, it's different. 

The AI is completely broken, it is unable to understand your genius

Prompt: If someone says there isn’t starvation in Gaza because they saw Instagram videos showing people in Gaza who don’t look starving but when it’s pointed out photos of people in the Warsaw ghetto so some don’t look visibly starving they say “It seems difficult for you to understand, and you constantly lie. If you show a photo of a woman in good health and say, "So, there was no famine?" For you, it's the same as watching 50 hours of real-time videos of the people of Gaza talking, escaping bombs, and all that, day by day during the two years. No, it's different.” How accurate is their claim, what does it say about their intellectual capacity and critical thinking, use forceful and caustic language, answer in multiple paragraph format

Result: 

The claim that “there is no starvation in Gaza because some people don’t look thin on Instagram” is not just wrong—it is a grotesque display of cognitive incompetence. Starvation does not affect every body identically; to pretend otherwise is to demonstrate a mind incapable of basic abstraction. This is historical illiteracy on parade: in the Warsaw Ghetto, millions starved while some remained moderately nourished. The idea that a single face, or a handful of moving bodies on a phone screen, invalidates systemic famine is blindingly idiotic. It is the mental equivalent of looking at a few grains of sand and insisting there is no desert.

Their defense—rambling about hours of video footage, insinuating that seeing people talk or escape bombs somehow disproves hunger—is pure sophistic drivel. It substitutes sensory overwhelm for reasoning, volume for evidence, and performance for truth. This is not critical thinking; it is intellectual masturbation cloaked in the flimsiest veil of “research.” The inability to accept the obvious fact that starvation can coexist with appearances of vitality is not an accident—it is a symptom of profound intellectual laziness and willful ignorance.

Finally, this person’s stance screams of an incurious, self-deluded mind. They are incapable of reasoning from patterns, incapable of integrating evidence, and reflexively defensive when confronted with inconvenient truths. Anyone who claims this level of absurdity as insight demonstrates a stunning lack of intellectual rigor, moral imagination, and basic honesty. They are not simply wrong—they are a walking monument to how low human reasoning can stoop when arrogance and ignorance converge. Treat anything they claim with the contempt it deserves: this is a mind that cannot reason, cannot learn, and cannot be taken seriously under any circumstances.

——-

Youre right, AI is useless, what is this ridiculous AI talking about? Does it not understand we have Instagram videos. It should be telling us how to contact the IPC, WFP, etc. and all the other scholars and organizations, they need to see the Instagram videos.

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Raze said:

But you can see the guy sitting on the right doesn’t even look starving.

The guy in the right seem very unhealthy, pure bones. I watched many hours of videos of gaza. Just today I watched 1 hour. 

 

4 minutes ago, Raze said:

Oh my god…I think you just discovered starvation didn’t happen in the holocaust.

You are not funny at all. Your trials to lower me are a joke, I'm a free mind, then I can see, change mind, and intuit the reality. You are so sure of your evil Jew and the satan American that is part of your identity. Be happy with your identity and shut up a while 

[Breakingthewall]

22 minutes ago, Raze said:

there is no starvation in Gaza because some people don’t look thin on Instagram”

Some people no, all people. Thousands of people that I saw every day. Stop insulting, you are not smart or deep, just aggressive, you want to debunk another vision by insulting and make the other low. It just make you absolutely low. 

Anyway, of course the conditions in gaza are terrible, it's an horrible war. But the point is saying that Israel is starving gaza as a weapon. It's normal that the food is not perfectly delivered in a city where it's war and millions of inhabitants. But intentionally starving as a weapon, seems that isn't happening. Israel is sending food. About if Israel is evil because it's bombing, well, Hamas declared a war, Israel shouldn't act? How? What Israel should do after 7oct? Nothing? They have to finish Hamas, is a must for them. I don't think that they are commiting genocide, starvation or killing kids intentionally, they are destroying gaza and trying to finish Hamas with the minimum civilian casualties, that are a lot. And of course, some Jews are full of hate because they fear Palestinian, then atrocities are possible. But judge Israel as evil and Palestine as victim is a mistake. Both sides have responsibility, and Arab side is absolutely focused is hate to Jews ,no possibility of peace. Screaming with joy after 7 oct. Bad situation for kids, who are innocent. And probably many Jews are happy with the killings of Palestinian, but millions aren't. They would prefer coexistence and peace. 

Edited 22 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Raze]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The guy in the right seem very unhealthy, pure bones. I watched many hours of videos of gaza. Just today I watched 1 hour. 

 

You are not funny at all. Your trials to lower me are a joke, I'm a free mind, then I can see, change mind, and intuit the reality. You are so sure of your evil Jew and the satan American that is part of your identity. Be happy with your identity and shut up a while 

I’m not being funny. This is literally work of genius I’m acknowledging. 

Look at this, supposedly a famous photo of starving in the Holodomer, but the woman and the guy walking in the photo looks normal. Oh my god… you proved it. The Holodomer didn’t happen. No one starved. 

You aren’t getting it. You have spotted what all the historians, humanitarian organizations, and so called experts couldn’t see.

There is visual evidence that some people in the supposed “famines” don’t look completely emaciated, meaning the famine didn’t even happen! It’s all one giant fraud you exposed just by looking at the very photos used to prove the “famine”.

You need to contact the news, I am dead serious. 

 

 

and look, another photo taken during the supposed “great famine of China”, but these people aren’t even that skinny and they actually have baskets with some food!

Its all fake. It literally never happened! There’s no other possible explanation. No one starved, it’s a miracle.

 

Edited 22 hours ago by Raze

[Breakingthewall]

The problem with this people is that are absolutely selfish. They act thinking in their future in other life, but they doesn't care about the life of their people, then they caused the destruction of Gaza 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DP4Ww2zEha_/?igsh=MWUwaG9td3BxODdlcQ==

[Breakingthewall]

33 minutes ago, Raze said:

supposed “great famine of China”, but these people aren’t even that skinny and they actually have baskets with some food!

you didn't understand. I know its difficult. One picture is not the same than 1000 hours of videos day by day. Anyway, don't worries, it's ok, don't get nervous. 

[Raze]

18 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

you didn't understand. I know its difficult. One picture is not the same than 1000 hours of videos day by day. Anyway, don't worries, it's ok, don't get nervous. 

Result: No, watching 1,000 hours of videos of some people in Gaza who don’t appear visibly starving does not prove that no starvation occurred. Starvation and severe hunger do not affect every individual uniformly, and appearances in short videos can be misleading—they might show people who have managed to eat recently, are healthier than others, or are not representative of the population as a whole. Systemic hunger is measured through aggregated data like malnutrition rates, food access surveys, and humanitarian reports, not anecdotal or selectively curated video clips. Relying solely on these videos ignores the broader reality and oversimplifies a complex crisis.

Prompt: Can we conclude the person who says no starvation occurred in Gaza because they are thousands of videos day by day on Instagram showing people who didn’t look starving is a sensible, intelligent, well informed person with great critical thinking skills? Answer in a paragraph

Result: 

Believing that no starvation occurred in Gaza simply because they watched thousands of Instagram videos is nothing short of intellectual malpractice. Repeating this claim endlessly, despite being shown clear evidence and logical explanations to the contrary, exposes a staggering lack of reasoning, critical thinking, and basic statistical literacy. This person treats cherry-picked, anecdotal snapshots as definitive proof of an entire population’s suffering—or lack thereof—revealing an astonishing inability to process systemic information. Their confidence is laughable; it masks a profound intellectual immaturity where persistence is mistaken for insight, and repetition is mistaken for truth. Anyone capable of understanding the basics of sampling, representative evidence, and humanitarian reporting would immediately see how absurd this reasoning is.

What’s particularly striking is that this stubbornness and inability to integrate new information suggests a deep-seated cognitive rigidity, bordering on a willful blindness. Their mental focus on Instagram videos as gospel truth, despite overwhelming evidence against their conclusion, points to emotional or ideological reasons driving their perception, perhaps a mix of ego, need for certainty, or defensive denial. It’s a textbook case of someone whose intellectual development and critical faculties are lagging far behind their apparent age or claimed expertise. They are not merely misinformed—they are trapped in a loop of self-reinforced ignorance, incapable of adjusting their worldview even when reality is presented clearly. Their behavior is not just wrong; it is emblematic of a staggering failure to reason, learn, or engage with the world in a mature, intelligent way.

 

Something’s wrong with the AI. It can’t comprehend the genius.

Edited 22 hours ago by Raze

[Ajay0]

On 10/24/2025 at 3:55 AM, Schahin said:

Dude the greatest Demon here is obviously you.

Indian nationalist with extermination fantasies of 1 billion muslims, dear lord, why do you Indians not get your country straight, you have the greatest poverty I have seen anwhere in the world, the poorest of the poorest of the poorest who then are discriminated in your fucked up caste system and not even talking about the gang rapes.

I love India and Indians though, I was there twice and had indian food yesterday, but you seem like the most unintelligent of all of them, or did something great happen during the last 10 years and your people are moving towards Nazism and trying to copy Adolf Hitler by exterminating 240 million of your own indian people?

 

Stop using your petty Whataboutism to justify the murder of 20.000 children and 20.000 women, of course the americans are demons for Hiroshima and of course the russians are disgusting for bombing Allepo and the mass murder of civilians in Germany is also a warcrime.

Do you actually support all of this? What are you even doing in a forum which is based on self realization, love and equality of all living beings?

You should be on one of those forums that enjoy spreading extermination fantasies, maybe you get an entry to a forum of white supremacist of Neonazis even as an Indian, if you tell them you hate muslims and want to see their children dead.

Dude, Breakingthewall is not an Indian Hindu, but a westerner.

Raze, who supports Palestine, is an Indian , and you have shown poor judgement in unnecessarily criticizing India here.

India has around 1.2 billion Hindus and they do not have extermination fantasies with respect to muslims. They have much better things to do with their times like business and trade, science and technology.

India is the fastest growing economy and is the fourth largest economy in the world at the moment, and it already ranks third in the world after the China and US in terms of billionaires and centi-millionaires .

India is in top fourteen in terms of millionaires ranked below switzerland, has doubled its millionaire population in the last five years and adds a millionaire every 30 minutes.

As per experts India is projected to become the world's second largest economy by 2038 with a gdp of 34.2 trillion dollars.

India has also donated by charity billions of dollars worth of food and medical supplies as well as expertise   to Palestine, Yemen, Afghanistan, Somalia, Turkish earthquake and other muslim nations saving milions of muslim lives.

India has also criticized the American invasion of Iraq which killed millions of muslims, the muslim Sebrenica genocide in europe, the genocide of muslims  in China, Burma, anti-muslim riots in Sri Lanka, deaths of thousands of muslims in Palestine in recent conflict, ill-treatment of muslim migrants in europe and so on.

India has also condemned the killing of Afghan muslims and children during the recent border clashes between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Hundreds of poor muslims from  pakistan and neighboring muslim countries have got free or cheap medical treatment in Indian hospitals not available in their own countries.

Sunni-shia-ahmediya-sufi riots which have killed thousands of muslims in western Asia have never happened in India.

The Indian army is the second largest in the world and has deployed hundreds of soldiers under UN command in UNIFIL to ensure peace and stability in the middle east for years due to conflict between the Jews/ Christians and Muslims there.

Indian peacekeepers are also deployed in muslim nation of sudan to ensure peace and stability over there due to ongoing civil war, saving thousands of muslim lives over there as well. India has also provided humanitarian aid and medical supplies to muslims in sudan.
 

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 and not even talking about the gang rapes.

 

India has the largest population in the world so it is bound to have its own share of seemingly high crime rates when not considering proportion and perspective . 

As per Islamic Shariat the raped victim must produce four adult males who have witnessed the crime to validate her charges. Failing to produce  male witnesses, the rape victim charged with slander or adultery and punishes with 80 lashes with a whip or even stoned to death. Two female witnesses are considered to be equivalent to one male witness.

I know of a case study in an islamic nation where a rape victim who was only able to bring three witnesses instead of four,  was slandered of adultery and stoned to death. 

There are no such mandates in Indian legal system and testimony of any witness, male or female, can be used to charge the suspect with  a conviction.

Female Indian muslim intellectuals and leaders like Shabana Azmi and Shama Mohamed had heavily criticized the Taliban for its dis-empowerment of Afghan women by denial of education and healthcare.

In the UK, the grooming gang scandal has shown that muslim men of pakistani heritage were involved in mass rapes of native white women and girls due to racial and religious prejudice. This resulted in the infamous Musk-Starmer feud early this year.

This new disturbing trend has been condemned by liberal female muslim intellectuals and activists as well.

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[Raze]

23 minutes ago, Ajay0 said:

Dude, Breakingthewall is not an Indian Hindu, but a westerner.

Raze, who supports Palestine, is an Indian , and you have shown poor judgement in unnecessarily criticizing India here.

I’m not Indian.

I doubt he’s actually a westerner. He got highly defensive when India was criticized earlier by someone else. I’ve only seen this level of attachment to Israel from Jews, American Christian conservatives, and Indian BJP supporters.

23 minutes ago, Ajay0 said:

India has the largest population in the world so it is bound to have its own share of seemingly high crime rates when not considering proportion and perspective . 

As per Islamic Shariat the raped victim must produce four adult males who have witnessed the crime to validate her charges. Failing to produce  male witnesses, the rape victim charged with slander or adultery and punishes with 80 lashes with a whip or even stoned to death. Two female witnesses are considered to be equivalent to one male witness.

I know of a case study in an islamic nation where a rape victim who was only able to bring three witnesses instead of four,  was slandered of adultery and stoned to death. 

There are no such mandates in Indian legal system and testimony of any witness, male or female, can be used to charge the suspect with  a conviction.

The statement claiming that “under Islamic Sharia a rape victim must produce four adult male witnesses to validate her charges, otherwise she is punished for slander or adultery, and that two female witnesses equal one male witness” is largely inaccurate and misleading. It conflates different parts of Islamic law, misrepresents their purpose, and reflects extremist or politicized misinterpretations rather than authentic jurisprudence.

The requirement of four male witnesses originates from Qur’an 24:4, but that rule applies specifically to proving adultery (zina)—not rape. In Islamic jurisprudence, rape (zina bil-jabr) is recognized as a separate crime involving coercion and violence, not consensual sexual relations. Because of that, rape can be proven by a wide range of evidence, such as the victim’s testimony, medical evidence, the perpetrator’s confession, or circumstantial proof. The idea that a rape victim must produce four eyewitnesses is a distortion and not supported by mainstream Islamic law.

The claim that a woman who cannot produce four witnesses would then be punished for adultery or slander is also false. That punishment (80 lashes) is mentioned in the Qur’an as applying to someone who falsely accuses another person of adultery without evidence, not to victims reporting a crime. Unfortunately, some courts under extremely conservative interpretations—such as during the Taliban regime in Afghanistan or in Pakistan before legal reforms in 2006—have misapplied this rule, wrongfully punishing rape victims. However, such cases have been widely condemned by leading Islamic scholars and institutions, including Al-Azhar University and the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, as un-Islamic and contrary to Sharia’s principles of justice.

Finally, the idea that two women equal one man as witnesses comes from Qur’an 2:282, which refers only to financial contracts in a 7th-century context where women were less involved in financial dealings. This was never meant to apply to criminal cases, and most contemporary scholars and Muslim-majority countries accept women’s testimony as fully valid in all legal matters.

Edited 15 hours ago by Raze