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Don't get too attached to the specific experience I shared. It's very unlikely that anyone here will ever have this mouse experience. That shouldn't be your goal. You can set a more general goal of exploring and experiencing an alien mind. That should be doable with enough practice. And who knows what kind of wacky stuff you might bump into. I highly doubt it. Depersonalized people don't talk about alien minds.

For now, it seems to be the same as my depersonalization episodes. But with "fun" so to say. @Carl-Richard Can you help me with this? I remember that you had DPDR too. Did you experience the alien perception of depersonalization?

@Leo Gura according to you, how much time in human years approximately it will take for human race to operate on this hyper intelligent level and have the mind similar to that of the Hyper Intelligent Alien Ice Age Scrat ?

Well, I've never experienced depersonalization, so I'm not sure exactly what people mean by that. That's akin to losing your sense of ego. But becoming an alien consciousness is totally different. Imagine for a minute that you actually entered the mind of an advanced alien species. What might that feel like? That's what happened to me. I actually have a direct experience of an advanced alien mind. Surely you guys believe that somewhere in our vast universe aliens exists, and that they are way more intelligent than humans. So obviously alien consciousness is a thing. It's possible and even likely. The only issue is, have you experienced it or not, and what does it feel like? How different it from being a human? You can't really doubt its existence.

What is the difference between this sense of seeing oneself as alien and depersonalization?

Please let me decide what is supposed to lead me. Everybody leads me to God. It is possible. Yes, it was specific conditions within his mind, but why can't I use it as an additional integrating factor in my existing blueprint? He was trying to create such conditions. But we are too busy discussing how his method of creating such conditions should be. I think we will insult our teacher if we continue discussing this as this post has some more important and beautiful things to discuss. This is my opinion. I don't know how Leo was like. It's fine with me if his approach was different. I am going with whatever works best for me. By "accepting it as truth immediately", do you mean that we take it as dogma? I certainly don't. I have watched his video on ideology and dogma and how it is dangerous. And I UNDERSTOOD it at a good level. You don't find it that radical because you are not able to comprehend it or imagine it. Yes, that's the topic. It is alien stuff. Meaning it is so out of normal stuff. Which is why it is interesting. What did you find unstabling in his behavior? Ok, I am done discussing this with you here as it is turning out to be disrespecting and mockery of this thread.

I lead people. I got zero problem with that. I do ground-breaking research and I share it. You can validate everything I say for yourself by doing the work. I never promised that you would meet an alien mouse. Maybe you will meet Satan who will slap your titties around. If you follow me blindly without independent thinking, you are a fool and you contradict the spirit of everything I teach. But independent thinking does mean that I must entertain your bullshit ideas. What you entertain in your own mind on your own time is not what I entertain on my own time. I am here to drop insights, not to babysit you through every bad idea in your mind. You have fun with that on your own. Also, as I said in the open, this is a testbed for developing my ideas in order to better communicate them in the future. I knew from the outset that people would not like these ideas. I'm actually pleasantly surprised that people have been mostly openminded here.

I said it is a hallucination. But it is a solid hallucination. a hallucination that lasts for decades. Is the alien anything like that? Is it a solid hallucination? is it a being that really exists? or is it just your mind playing tricks on you?

Prove to me that you're not hallucinating that. What you want does not apply at higher levels of consciousness. If you keep insisting on materialism then you will keep recreating materialism, in which case you will never access alien consciousness. The only reason I was able to access alien consciousness was because I deconstructed my mind so completely that nothing of materialism remained. Imagine deconstructing your mind so completely that you literally go insane. And then you discover alien consciousness somewhere beyond that. Whatever you consider sanity to be, you have to throw that away. Then we can really explore consciousness and find some interesting stuff.

It is. But it is a solid hallucination, I had my dick for 25 years now and will have it for decades in the future. I just want to understand if this mouse alien is a solid hallucination too that a drug gave you access to , or is it just something you had because you took a drug and your mind imagined it?

Give me some motivation for why should I even read this long seemingly non-sensible explanation. Some dollars maybe. kidding bro! I will certainly read this and we will have a proper discussion like mature men. So I at the first sight read your last statement. Dear Scholar, I really wish from the bottom of my heart that you experience the kind of thing that Leo experienced. And not just you. All humans and souls and beings reading this! This is profound stuff. Yes, I mocked you. I feel sorry that this may have hurt you. Yes so if you are frustrated with Leo you can and you should express your frustration by making a different post on the forum regarding the topic whatever your frustration is. This thread is about Leo becoming Alien Hyper Intelligent Mouse. Please don't ruin the fun. Anyways, nice meeting you. No Scholar I don't feel threatened. Nowadays not much threatens me. I feel like God.

But that doesn't mean there is someone experiencing being an alien consciousness as a solid experience like that of ours. How do you verfiy what you experienced as something other than a nice hallucination.

Don't get too hung up on trying to realize this very specific form of God that Leo experienced. Most psychedelic trips are very unique, and given the infinitude of infinity, if you ever end up having some experience with some kind of form of an alien hyperintelligence / entity it will most likely not be the one Leo became. There are infinite entities, dimensions, configurations, forms, and so on, that you can become conscious of, you shouldn't limit yourself to any ideas of what to expect.

Wait sorry to interrupt but this seems to be related to the alien queen thing in someway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8AXWd6DFzU

I'll tell you this: you have a piss poor understanding of how Beauty works. The flower IS her own mind! And yes, the flower IS Beautiful. Beauty is not merely a subjective egoic projection, beauty is an Absolute feature of Being. God Is Absolute Beauty. And everything is God. So when I say that a flower or alien mouse is beautiful I am not merely stating a subjective opinion, I am recognizing Absolute Truth. If you were fully Awake, all you would see is Infinite Beauty in any direction you looked.

@Leo Gura Leo, would you say your alien experience was 3-dimensional or 4-dimensional? Was there any non-Euclid geometry present? What was the relationship between time, change and eternity?

My God, just listen to yourself man! I hope you don't have children. I would hate for your daughter to run up to you, hand you a flower while telling you, "Daddy, look how beautiful it is!", and you respond by giving her a lecture about how deluded she is because flowers are not beautiful, only beauty is beautiful. You are just trolling me at this point with spiritual douchebaggery. OF-fucking-COURSE the mouse was beautiful TO ME! That's my subjective projection. This is so obvious it needn't be said. I never claimed that you would like this mouse. Have you ever read a poem? My God you are dense. At the very begining I said that I am giving a poetic description of my experience of an alien consciousness that is impossible to put into words. And of everything I said the thing you're gonna fight with me on is that I claimed it was exceptionally beautiful? And you claim I am the insane one here? Lolz

There is nothing beyond Infinity. And you are It. At the Absolute level you are the only thing that exists. Leo is your imagination. He didn't become a mouse last night. You woke up this morning and read a post online that he became a mouse. This was you imagining all of it. This forum is also part of your imagination. Leo, who is your imagination, imagined he became an alien intelligence. But this mouse, nor Leo, nor me, have any existence outside of what is being held in your awareness right now. Don't let your imagination run away with the mouse wake up from your dream

I'm gonna keep it a secret for now for safety purposes. I already told you guys a bunch of psychedelics to play around with. Go master those first. Also, you should not expect that by taking this chemical that you will become this alien mouse. That's not how this works.

It's all the same exact thing. There is much you haven't become conscious of yet. That is all. Not so hard for you to understand that. I have no interest in undermining your authority. If you want to tell yourself that I am a deluded fool, so it will be for you. Notice that. And if you think I am deluded fool then you shouldn't even bother talking to me. Why are you wasting your time here? You're the only one who can, silly. But you haven't done it yet. - - - - - Notice how I simply shared my experience of an alien consciousness with you, and you are losing your shit over it. Ask yourself why.

Whatever you imagine is your reality. Your attitude is way too arrogant and closedminded to understand these advanced and subtle things I teach, because you have convinced yourself that you know what true spirituality entails. Do I expect you to access alien consciousness? No, because you're so fucking closedminded.

Right, but others have experienced Truths that noone else has ever experienced and that are so alien to you that you will never experience them. That's the Nature of Infinity. You still do not understand Infinity, and what we are witnessing here is a unravelling of the limitations you have put upon Infinity, and the way your ego structures react to those new forces. The irony is that you are talking to yourself here, you are doing nothing but making fun of your own ignorance, you just are no realizing it yet. You still have far too many limitations blocking Infinity.

I already did that. I was feeling like an advanced alien mind. How the hell would you know?

@Leo Gura can you please describe more about this alien hyper intelligence mouse? What were its powers apart from intelligence and interconnected mind? Like how were you feeling physically? Give us some more description so that we can imagine it.

I discovered an alien consciousness. That's all.