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which will lead to more and more sepparation. The essence of a relationship is to grow together. If you cannot do that, you´re lost some way or the other.

This post forms thoughts about why committing to a life purpose early does not help with becoming independent. I see the point that providing great value is the ultimate formula for becoming independent. Becoming a value provider means better business and better relationships. Now, Leo mentions the point that you need a life purpose in order to get somewhere. While this is true, I think it is barely helping on the journey. Why? Well, there is not one narrow, specialized thing which you can call your purpose and then follow for the rest of your life. While exploring life, you constantly discover new edges, new perspectives, new interesting ideas, concepts and crafts. At least that´s what I noticed. Thus, how do you do you avoid committing yourself to one narrow field which you put all your resources to, just to discover two years later that it is boring? I see that Marketing and Sales are skills which are omni-relevant for all independents, but what comes after? I have put many points in my skill tree into speaking, understanding people, understanding group and individual psychology, understanding how society and business works etc. While this has shifted my perceptions completely and made me a better leader and confident walker on earth, it has little practical value in the sense that I cannot create a business out of that. Meanwhile, someone putting 3-5 years into specializing (e.g. programming, financial services) now can pursue a career as a good paid wage slave or start a business by himself. Yes, the "business" of my described skill-set would be becoming a life-coach, but this is a field in which I cannot really imagine myself. At the end you are manipulating your clients into trusting you, while you actually should teach them to trust in themselves. Some people are just sheeps, and will never rise above that, so you will notice that but still need to coach them because you need to make a living. And finally, I think life boils down to maybe 5 core teachings and you can teach them in maybe 3 hours and this is 80% of everything which is wrong with that person. Then they will not properly listen or implement and you just repeat yourself. People seeking for life-coaching are essentially lost because they try to outsource their inner work. Summary: A narrow purpose will push you into a specialized field. If you discover that it was not the "right" life purpose (and you will most likely change perceptions, because you evolve as a person constantly), then you lost all your time. On the other hand, when you acquire broad skills, which come handy in various situations, you cannot do so much wrong with that, but you also cannot create a valuable business, because you lack specialized skills for it. Do you see my point, what are your suggestions on what to do?

100%! its crazy. So many guys blame women for their lack of success in life. Just because their mom told them they are snowflakes and can achieve anything without putting in the work. Then they try to become those emotionless grossly material narcissists and OF COURSE only find women who are attracted to that. Deep down they are insecure and just want to be loved but they cannot give love because they are shit scared of opening up to women and making themselves vulnerable, not realizing that THIS is exactly what a true man would do. Its taking a risk, its trusting without being sure of the outcome. Its disgusting how people make money out of that as content producers. Look at this guy called "coach red pill", its pathetic! Do you MGTOWS really want to end up like him? Because thats whats going to happen if you subscribe to his mindset.

What I discovered so far is, that most people are very protective when you start question their life and choices. Its like a light-switch, the Ego recognizes its status quo is being questioned and thus goes into justification mode or changes topic. The bottom line of this, most people dont like their actions being questioned or them given new perspectives on their life.

@see_on_see Great post, I vibe with your input a lot. At the end there is no guarantee that your LP (or call it life-commitment) will not change. At the end you have to start somewhere, even If you are not 100% certain or in flames of passion about it. As you said, research but at some point pull the trigger.

This is the heroes journey and at the top there is your holy grail. But at the end you realize it all was for the fun, not for the price.

Amen.

You know this is because you actually think to know that they would not accept you if you open up and show your real uniqueness. Of course then faking drains your energy. Why do you think everyone else loves small talk? Do you think you are this unique snowflake that no one will ever understand, ah thats not true, see the world as it is. You are it, you created it, then create it!

good input, thank you!

So thoughts came into mind after watching the Relativity video of Leo ( the long one). Relativity is like the start of the "tier 2 of concepts", thus it is aquired by contemplation as a yellow thinker. From there one you leave Systems Thinking as a paradigma and begin to utilize it as a tool for navigation in this, yet again, unknown territory. Also, I´m concerned about following you further LEO! As wisdom progresses, You have to choose acceptance and peace, it doesnt come naturally. It becomes a concious action. Just don´t go cynical, big void for people ahead, who are to much exposed to an online forum (or offline in older days). Instead, seek a new mentor, stick with him and learn. You need to meet a Master. A person that transcended your locks. Study him, and evolve under his presence! Peace&Out

uncomfortableness shows you the way. I deeply belive there is no limit in discovering the god, so you dont need to be afraid of walking further.

Resonating with green-yellow-beginning turquoise. However, I'm looking for orange people to talk my green disgust for narcissism and libertarian capitalism out of my system. Maybe I can, in turn, help you move towards green

Hey Bernhard, thank you. I'll keep it a little shorter than you but I think everyone appreciates the time and effort you put in, in sharing this story here. I think most people start with the improvement part, meaning "how can I improve my situation, how can I find love& happiness, how are people ticking, what is this world?" This is a great start. I congratulate everyone who starts the fight with his ego. Beware that this journey goes deep. It goes 1000x deeper than you would believe it is possible. Have fun along the way, never give up, never serve yourself more than you are humble in serving the world. Believe. Question everything. Good luck. All the best Udt

Thank you, YES I UNDERSTAND IT, AND I FEEL IT BUT I CANNOT SEE IT! Anyway thank you, your reply actually helped me, props to you Leo, you are a good version of god ha.

While and after watching and thinking about the consciousness only model actualized.org presents in the video from the 02/06/18, I was left with two questions unanswered and I think these will be the forever unknown. 1) Why does consciousness create sepparation for something like our human experience? So that a seeker (like you & Leo) needs to go trough an exensive time extensive suffering to partly realign for a few hours? 2) What in the world does consciousness want from its sepparated forms of being? Clearly, striving for awakening or realignment can´t be the purpose if alignment was the original state! So was consciousness forced into sepparation? 3) If consciousness is infinite and the only thing there (thus gave birth to itself), how can you be sure there is not a supra consciousness which created our consciousness? 4) WHY? These popped up in my head. Cheers!

Sadghuru was a happy boy. Dont project your own story on 7 billion people. Its more a inner calling which you can numb or listen to.

yes, why? And please dont say unity felt lonely So if it is unlimited, why does it has to create at all? Why cant it limit itself to unity. You say, becasue of infinity, it has to create, so we are back at nihilism. We are (and by that I mean I, you, it, god, everything) experiencing a complete random set of restraints which form our dualistic experience. Ok, for what? For what do we need exactly this is one variation of infinity (and by this I mean your exact life) ? Why the fuck would infinite consciousness not stay in unity for ever? What I want to say is that I do not see the reason why unity would have ever created duality? Just because its infinite and thus has to create everything? Why cant it be infinite in its unity? Which leads me to a doubt that creeped up: Can there be consciousness without duality? I can´t be conscious of nothing. Ok, because I am of the Ego. But then I have to assume that consciousness can be conscious of nothing. When you trip @Leo Gura and you say you were absolute infinity, meaning everything, meaning nothingness, shouldnt it be the same as falling asleep and waking up? And If not, how can you be sure not to doubt your experience? Thanks

Yes but then think further: You see when we also agree on the possibility of infinite intelligence within consciousness, then why the fuck did consciousness create creation (and thus sepparation which is the reason for our existence). You cannot say that consciousness did not create creation but we as Egos have done it ourselves. Then you would assume the EGO came before consciousness came, but no its reverse! Unity was first, then came duality as unity. Was Duality first or was it Unity? Nothing can be first as both are dependent upon another. So the solution is, there is only existence. There is no no-existence, as it would be impossible! So out of existence, out of infinite intelligence, there came duality, thus us, ...WHY?

Wow which irony

How about you add overall value to this forum and civilization as such with your writing? Right now, there is no value in this post but the world still has to live with the resources allocated to this here and its opportunity costs.

then you have nothing to be sorry for

Exactly. Emanzipation and the working women are a development caused by the decay of our social system. It is no longer possible to have a one income family which can raise children decently. Now women have to work too

@brovakhiinSo you say if a guy starts working out and reads about psychological manipulation of women, completely discarding his true self, trying to force his personality in the social circle of nightlife, because his only purpose is to hump as many other humans sexual organs as possible for the pleasure created by this act by the brain, this is the most powerful self-actualization? wow

Oh yes. Again, do you want a girl who loves YOU or do you want a girl who loves your STATUS, MONEY, JOB, ?

Hey, First of all I work within the same industry, be careful that they don´t use you to much (like all the 21y old audit interns at deloitte). There are 3 things you can do. 1. Continue to focus on yourself (by which you mean your career & health and hobbies I assume), get lucky and find a good girl or don´t. Note that there is no perfect match. Note also that if you come into a relationship wanting something from the other person, dependency is built up and it will end badly. You can either build your kingdom and set the women on top or you find a women to grow a kingdom with. Its up to you, note that the first option leaves room for a lot of bad bitches and gold diggers. Second is rare. 2. Ask yourself why do you want A family, a home, and a successful job. Dig deeper into spirituality, Zen and non duality. This might lead to a paradigm shift inside you and can be dangerous for your career and focus. It might open you up, and you thus meet girls which are not so materialistic either and care about real connections (I assume you are looking for character). It also might make you very happy with very little which can be disturbing for your social circle (I assume its build around competitive friends and proud parents). 3. Start chasing girls, maybe get into PU. You´ll be able to have sex with girls. Note that the kind of wife you are looking for, would she waste her time in a club? Dancing with random guys and hooking up? Probably not. So you chase and chase and fuck and fuck and get more and more frustrated. Look at the misery which those people live in. Alternatively, you are lucky and find the right girl in a club. So what to choose? 1. Will bring guaranteed return (like a treasury bond), if you can wait until maturity (let it be another 6 years) it is likely that you find a girl along the way if you are not shy. If not, you still have a successful career (which is one thing on your list) and a home (which is the other). 2. This is the heroes journey, awakening, nothing for people who are not serious about it, requires a lot of work, a lot of distress, high level of intelligence. The reward is a deeper understanding of reality (if you strive for this then go). The risk is a disconnect from society (in which all your pursuit of happyness is embedded at the moment). Note that even with family, successful job and house you might want more and more and more, your job might be so demanding that your family is not happy or vise versa. Balancing everything can be quite exhausting. If you work longer in finance, you will see all kinds of married guys who are dead unhappy and feel guilty for fucking japanese hookers every two months on business trip. But that´s the negative side, there are also guys who can handle both, where the wife is also working a lot and the kids are very independent or there is a filipino nanny in the house 24/7. 3. Well this is like binary options. Ultimately the brokerage (in this case the club) wins because you spend your money on expensive drinks betting the unlikely bet of finding your dream girl while dancing to trap house , you might get lucky and get the girl or you get a margin call since you spend to much time chasing women and to less caring about your body and health or job.