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  1. Posted · Edited by Alexop

    9 hours ago, Raze said:

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sax-sex/201903/new-study-blows-old-ideas-about-girls-and-boys

    "The worldview promulgated by Butler, Fine, and their followers now constrains what neuroscientists are allowed to say in public. A professor of neurophysiology at Lund University in Sweden recently told undergraduates that the categories of female and male are, to some degree, biological realities rather than social constructs and that some differences in behavior between women and men might, therefore, have a biological basis. He was promptly denounced by students who claimed that his remarks were “anti-feminist.” The dean of the medical school duly launched an investigation."

     

    Ok I get it now. You could summarize her work in one page. Gender is fluid, you can change your gender, you perform the gender, there are biological differences but "hard" to pin them down so who knows man find who you are and let go of your logic. Don't agree with us -> member of the "patriarchy". 

    Appalled how such people can receive awards of millions of dollars.

    Great article, thank you! I have to check all the possible perspective because I am writing an article about masculinity vs. femininity. I will be glad if you guys want to read my sketch and give feedback: https://docs.google.com/document/d/10rwYMwxvxcRDfrcbtYwUZ32nPHF8hJj21hOetImwok4/edit?usp=sharing

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    4 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

    I literally had a 18 year old girl (I was like 20 at the time): "The only difference between us is that you have a penis and I have a vagina". But to be honest she was quite extreme.

    These are not Green people, stop devaluing Green just because some stupid kids parrot green ideas as an ideology. Green will never say that kind of shit. This is pure Blue. The core of Green is relativity, open-mindedness and acceptance of diverse opinons. If they don't know the answer to something, they might say: "I don't know" or even "Maybe we are both right" which is the aperspectival madness Ken Wilber talks about.

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    On 4/23/2024 at 11:25 AM, OBEler said:

    We have more time to use our inner monologue.

    Back then there was no time for this

    This OMG! We are much more isolated than in the past. I am amazed how much more mental illness I find in Sweden than in my home country Romania. Here in Sweden they just go on sickleave and sit alone at home. There is nobody there to soothe them when the bullshit inner dialogue kicks in.

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    7 hours ago, zurew said:

    The interesting part of the conversation would be about why we want the things we want.

    It seems to be a pretty fucking complex problem and I don't think there is any  scientific theory that actually explains in a precise manner - why we want the things we want. - so I would be careful to take on any strong position on this topic.

    You cannot predict percisely how a person will be and what he/she will preffer, but you can create maps, generalizations, distinctions that will help you understand the world better. Spiral Dynamics is just a map, a bunch of generalizations. So long you know what is the map and what is the territory, you should be good.

  7. Posted · Edited by Alexop

    8 minutes ago, Nemra said:

    @Alexop

    So, are there no other (opposite) ideologies that can brainwash?

    If so, do you think other ideologies are relatively better? Or does Norway don't have them?

    In the end you still have to believe somebody. I wasn't there extracting amniotic fluid samples to check the testosterone levels. I combine my own life experience and observations with the reasearch did by the people I find most credible. It is important to check if it is true in your direct experience, hard to do. This is why most people fail at it. You even see how enlightened spiritual masters deceive themselves, what can you expect from a college kid?

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    2 minutes ago, Nemra said:

    @Alexop 

    Do you think that removing the academic nurture/environmentalism ideology in Norway will lead to people entering professions based on competency rather than gender?

    They will listen to their own needs, likes and wants. Not being brainwashed into believing that everything we did in the past was wrong or we are all the same or some shit like that.

    Teach them femininity vs. masculinity. Teach them how boys get on average double as much testosterone before birth and how that influences their brains. Stuff like that, then they will know who they are and what they want.

  10. Posted · Edited by Alexop

    3 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

    @Alexop

       If that's true, then that's ridiculous coming from a nordic country.

    It is the academic nurture/environmentalism ideology that pushed it for sure. Idk, you should deserve to be in a profession due to your competence, not gender. But a bit of encouragement of the minority would be ok in order to improve the perspective diversity in the field. The question is when do you go too far?

  11. Posted · Edited by Alexop

    16 minutes ago, Girzo said:

    @Bobby_2021 You indeed are pulling things out of your ass. You are talking to a sociologist, I know when you pull stuff straight out of nowhere. I am done throwing bricks at this brickwall of your ideology.

    Ok, if you are a sociologist, what do you think about Norway's "gender point system" which gives you an artificial headstart for applying to fields where your gender is in minority? I even heard (not sure if it is true) people who changed gender in order to have higher chances to enter into STEM.

  12. Posted · Edited by Alexop

    2 hours ago, Girzo said:

     

    You can't say it's because of genetics, because you DON'T KNOW that. You don't know causation and many other things. It's safe to always just share the insight of HOW you see things to be and not WHY they are this way. Because without you being a researcher on the topic or directly citing some advanced paper, your reasons why will probably be very ungrounded. It's hard to explain the 'why' in most topics in social science. Stay aware that if you do hypotethical, ungrounded 'why's' then yours are as good as the opposite side's.

    Also you are mixing gender and sex all the time. Women this, women that, yes but being a woman is a cultural thing, culture makes up what being a woman means. It's what you do, not what you are. What it entails changes across time and cultures. 

     

     

    Man, you're just spinning out bullshit. How is the "why" so hard to explain? There is clear research that shows that the vast majority of women show less interest for engineering than men. Focus on simplicity and forget this stupid "academicsplaining"

    Being a woman is both a choice of identity and a cultural thing. You both are a woman and behave like a woman relatively speaking. Yes I know you are God and all of that on the absolute level.

    When I say "I am a man", it is like saying I am an introvert, this is how I feel most authentic.

  13. Posted · Edited by Alexop

    45 minutes ago, Girzo said:

    Start with some Judith Butler or something.

    What do Judith Butler say about masculinity and femininity? Without the understanding of this dance of energies coupled with our biology and hormone dynamics is just a work not done. Maybe I picked to listen a bad book of hers but it was the most boring shit I ever listened to. 

     

  14. Posted · Edited by Alexop

    52 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

    No way you are going to get printed on paper, men are more suited for engineering roles, and women are for nurses. That just will not happen. You can say that, but not on paper.

    Every sane swede or norvegian to whom I explained this agreed. As you said, it is the loud minority who distorts our perception. They all gather on social media and create the perception that there are a lot of them, but the sane majority of people don't waste their time arguing on facebook so it's just them there.

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    1 hour ago, Karmadhi said:

    Good luck getting the liberal green people to accept these courses.

    I live in a liberal green city and just saying that "men tend to prefer more technical fields like engineering" will get you labeled as a sexist and patriarchal.

    It happened to me countless, countless times until I gave up.

     I have read "Way of the Superior Man". it is amaizing book.

    But it is too radical to be taught to a green audience.

    Such book would work way better to a blue or orange audience.

    Most green people tend to demonize gender differences to the point where they downright ignore they even exist.

     

    I won't even call those people green. They are just a wicked varriant of blue. I see not difference between their behavior and a blue pope father who silences his daughter at the dinner table because she dared to favor for abortion or divorce. Green is not just another flavor of blue, it integrates the freedom of speech from orange. These feminazis are not green, and if the office example that @Bobby_2021  brought up is really so radical, then I feel sorry for men working in such toxic environments. All the priviledged spoiled girls are now political activists and thought police.

    Honestly I did not experience this kind of toxic femininity outside social media, but I see them how they hoard in comment sections and use the power in numbers to overpower the good arguments of the conservatives. All they have is power in numbers and empowering the victim. They can't love the opressor which is tragic, because nobody will change his/her mind through opression. 

     

    And ultimately the karma will bite them in the ass. As I see in Sweden's politics now with the maaasive popularity increase of the conservative party. People are not idiots, when instead of doing good politics you just try to not be racist, then people will vote those who do politics instead.

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    2 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotARobot said:

    That's true. European leaders are definitely more mature than Andrew Tate (generally), but NOT being Andrew Tate doesn't necessarily make a person "wise" either (relatively speaking).

    Exactly, children are getting taught things that most politically active people think it is right. That will influence the academic world. If universities don't comply with what the government believes, they can get their licence withdrawn or whatever. When most politically active people think we are all the same and femininity & masculinity are conservative crap we have to get rid of, then you get that nuthead from Iceland separating girls and boys in kindergarden and teaching them different stuff. 

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    2 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotARobot said:

    @Leo Gura Okay, but how do we make sure that such people end up at the top of this field? A lot of men for example gravitate to personalities such as Andrew Tate and Donald Trump. How do we make sure that these courses don't end up being taught by some dubious frat bro, or some fedora-wielding Reddit mod?

    A mature society will democratically choose mature people to teach their chidren. The same as swedes don't choose Tate figures to rule their country.

  21. Posted · Edited by Alexop

    10 minutes ago, Basman said:

    How is it equal to essentially reverse the stereotypical roles? Wouldn't it be more equal to teach both children both the girly and laddy things? What if the boys enjoy the laddy lessons more and the reverse for the girls? Doesn't seem equal to me at all.

    This is what happens when we let people who did not yet experience the Dunning–Kruger effect to rule society.

    Same as in spirituality when a kid who went 10 days to a vipassana tells us how we should behave.

  22. Posted · Edited by Alexop

    @Bobby_2021 Their problem is that they only use one half of the brain in the equation. They have good intentions but it is not enough. We are different, we have different prefferences in general. There are studies on this. Fun fact about the ICF coaching course I went to: coaching is an EQ-based profession, the trainers were two women and the attendees were 7 women... and me. At my first job in Sweden as a massage therapist at a SPA, the staff was composed of 11 girls, one gay guy, and me. At nurse school there are around 100 women for every 10 male students. Sweden the big mamma of gender equality has made considerable efforts to equalize the gender gap in professions, but the result was the opposite, the gap is even bigger in Scandinavia than in more traditional countries. People will choose to work whatever they want to work regardless of your equality ideals and ideologies. Scandinavian countries try to erase the behavioral difference between men and women, teaching boys to be more emotional and girls to be stronger and more resilient. Basically swingging the pedulum from one extreme to the other, if traditional countries push for widening the gap between men and women, progressive countries push for making them behave the same. As Leo said, teaching people about masculinity & femininity is crucial here. Yes there are some border cases of authentic feminie men and authentic masculine women, gay people etc... but the general trend is that 90%+ of people fit their biological gender and gravitate towards the corresponding energy.

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    4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    I have a solution that might be workable.

    Teach kids about gender fluidity, but also make them take a class called Masculinity & Femininity. This class would teach kids how to embody masculine and feminine energy.

    The problem with gender fluid ideology is that it does not actually teach kids how to embody being masculine or feminine, or how to figure out which way is best for them.

    Kids need to be taught 3 things: masculinity, femininity, and non-binary. Then they can choose.

    Exactly this is what I was contemplating! They tell them all this queer ideology but they don't mention masculinity and femininity, they try to erase them. I saw how in Iceland they were separating girls form the boys and teaching boys how to be more sensitive and girls how to be stronger.