Forestluv

The term “profound” in this context does not mean “nonsense”.

I didn’t make that claim. The majority of people that trip find it to be a deeply profound, life transformative experience. The majority of people do not dismiss it as merely a hallucination as you suggested.

After their first trip, the majority of people say it was one of the most profound experiences of their life.

Keep in mind much of the brain and body conditioning remains. Some of it may dissolve and the brain and body may be more relaxed and better adjusted to life. Yet 20-60 years of brain and body conditioning won’t untangle itself after a few trips beyond human form to godlike consciousness.

Reminds me of a few notes to self while tripping ? As well, previous life characters can be little jokesters.

@Leo Gura According to the theory, as the soul lives through lifetimes, can it gradually progress? I’ve met a lot of people that seem to sorta “get it”. Like there is something they can sense or they have glimpses of awakening. It is string enough to be a “knowing”, yet isn’t clear and pure. Some people seem to seek clarity through psychics, paranormal, past life regressions, hypnosis, dream analysis etc., while others seem to seek clarity by cleansing / purifying away egoic tendencies. Some people believe that others can spot an “old soul” or that there are soul connections. Not in an immature “soul mate” kinda way - a deeper resonance. In the mothership analogy, this might be like a probe becoming partially aware that there is “something”, yet it is hazy and cloudy - a low resolution view of the mothership. And have a sense that it’s own existence as a probe has been rebuilt before.

@Leo Gura Can a probe become aware of the Mothership?

This bings a dream analogy to mind. . . My dreams are new storylines each time. I may have a dream about surfing with an old high school friend in California. A week later, I may dream that I’m a character traveling through Ecuador on an expedition. There are no connections and memories between the dreams. It’s not like a dream character thinks “Wow, last Tuesday I was a surfer that lived in San Diego and now I’m a botanist studying fauna in Ecuador. I wonder if I can still surf”. The next dream I may be a magician in a another world. The higher consciousness in which all my dreams arise has no interest in connecting dream storylines. It seems to like to create new stories from scratch. Yet, sometimes there is a sense of deja-vu within a dream.

@Aldo I did an Ayahuasca retreat in Peru and the community was very into ceremony and ritual. They had a deep respect for the plants as spiritual medicine. Before one ceremony, the Shaman spoke to us all and then we each spoke about our intention. There were people that traveled from around the world there seeking Truth and there was a deep sense of respect, seriousness, openness, humility and surrender. This collective energy and consciousness greatly deepened the experience. Ime, psychedelics can also be used in less formal settings. One can have deeply profound experiences solo in their own home or at their local nature center. For me, respect, openness and humility are important in spiritual work. Psychedelics can also be used recreationally, yet that’s a different energetic vibe ime.

For me, yin yoga. I like it’s balance of meditation, deep relaxation, effort and surrender. Many people like kriya yoga and there is a mega thread on the forum for kriya. Different minds and bodies will resonate differently to different yoga forms. Even the same mind-body will resonate differently on different days. I do a mixture of three yoga forms.

This question may be looking to “breakthrough” objectivism to absolute. If so, ime direct experience is key. From direct experience of absolute, the human mind will naturally want to build constructs to make sense of it and provide the mind and body with a sense of grounding. This is a very different orientation than a mind-body lacking direct experience trying to figure out what it might be like by intellectualizing.

@iGhost Yes. It’s a cool glimpse observing the identification to human form. ?

I’m not quite sure what you mean by “flotation therapy”, yet I’ve received benefits from floats in sensory deprivation tanks.

There is nothing to be sorry for. You are creating it all in a thought story.

The mind can become immersed in thought stories and become attached and identified to such stories. The title of your thread was “A few questions about psychedelics”. Yet, it doesn’t seem like your mind has any questions at all. It doesn’t appear to be curious and open to explore. Rather, it seems to have entered with pre-conceived notions it wants to defend, argue and convince others of. This is a contracted mindset. A key feature of expanding our consciousness is to let go of our stories and beliefs that the ego is attached to and identified with. This can be quite uncomfortable.

@ColdFacts The ego has a strong desire to control the mental narrative - it’s survival depends on it. A common mechanism is to grasp and attach to objectivism for grounding. Anything that is perceived to challenge and disrupt that grounding is seen as threatening. It’s not just psychedelics - there are many ways to disrupt this grounding. . . If psychedelics are bothersome to your mind and body, then simply don’t do them. There are various other methods for personal growth and awakening. Each mind-body will resonate with various methods differently, depending in part on prior conditioning of mind-body and it’s current stage of development, maturity and baseline consciousness.

@ColdFacts There is an underlying assumption here that there is an external objective reality. That there is a standard of a “normal” reality and deviations from that are “distortions” from this standard of normalcy. This type of view can provide a sense of grounding and stability to a mind and body - and allow an ego to maintain an illusory sense of control over a mental narrative. From this framework, psychedelics are “distortions” from the grounding of normalcy and are not to be trusted. This protects the ego, mind, body from the groundless - it is a survival mechanism.

Just a couple thoughts. I think most households are a mixture of colors, yet may be centered at a color. Also, with the internet, households aren’t insulated like they were in previous generations. In the U.S., the young generation is flooded with Orange level media online. Even if they grew up in a traditional blue home, there would be a strong internet influence.

I haven’t done salvia, yet noticed you wrote 5-meo-dmt in the thread title and dmt in the post. They are very different substances.

Anxiety and panic may arise prior to breakthrough if the mind struggles to hold onto control of reality. If that is broken through, there is no one left anymore to be afraid. Upon returning, the mind might be like “Holy fuck, what just happened? That just happened!! What just happened?”. For the next week or so, the mind and body may be disoriented with how it relates to reality as it integrates the experience. After 10 or so times, the mind and body acclimates and it smooths out quite a bit. I’m at the point I can take some prior to my meditation, have a god conscious meditation session for 30min and then continue on with my day. In the beginning, it can feel very dramatic to the mind and body because the contrast between a full dual sober state of consciousness and a godlike 5-meo state of consciousness. Yet ime, it smooths out as dual vs godlike starts to breaks down.

@Schahin As humans go deeper and deeper into spirituality and consciousness expansion, there may appear what some call “paranormal” abilities - yet once they appear, they don’t seem all that paranormal. You go deep enough and see the impossible happen and think “omg, that just happened. That just happened. . . “. It seems magical, yet also normal. Stuff like heightened sensitivity to energy and hyper intuition. Sometimes, people have glimpses of this and think it’s weird and feel uncomfortable talking to others - because they don’t want to look crazy or weird. On the other hand, sometimes I see people wanting to awaken and get super powers like Harry Potter stuff. It’s not really like that.

@Schahin What is this magic you speak of? What is it you want to do?

This assumes external pleasures and comfort can cure internal suffering due to attachment, identification and separation. That fantasy and seeking is energy that fuels the suffering mechanism. Imagine someone getting all the women and money they wanted and then realizing it doesn’t bring true happiness and love. And that it doesn’t cure the internal suffering of separation, attachment and identification. Successful people are not truly happy. That fantasy is a huge trap that perpetuates the suffering of wanting to escape what is Now (and there is no escape from Now).

I’ve done a 7 day at-home solo retreat. A few things I didn’t expect. . . I put so much emphasis thinking about the practices and how hard this would be and worried about how much I might suffer that it didn’t even occur to me that desires to treat my mind and body with love and kindness might arise. After three days of intensive practice of meditation and yoga, strong desires to cook and eat healthy meals arose. I don’t cook, so this was a surprise. I also started spending 1-2 hours a day doing self massage meditation. My body awareness skyrocketed and I was massaging out all the tensions in my body with various massage tools (balls and rollers) - better than a professional. I had no idea how out of tune I was with my body. Again, this was totally unplanned and unexpected. I had thought the week was supposed to be about putting myself through hell. There were difficult uncomfortable parts, yet also some loving parts. I got tensions and pains that built up from extended static sitting postures. I found extended stretches of yin yoga and self massage (in a meditate mindset) were very helpful.

No location I want to run, I want to hide I want to tear down the walls that hold me inside I wanna reach out and touch the flame Where the streets have no name Come back home to Now ♥️