Joseph Maynor

So now rational debate is demonizing! Oy vey Truth! Do you really believe that? Have we gone back to Medieval Times here? I've watched all of Leo's videos, some many, many times. I'm still awaiting a rational response, a legit response, from you! I'm a good guy, I promise. I took the time to lay-out my points very carefully, clearly, and succinctly above, as you and others can read for yourselves. Everything is layed-out in the open on my end, I'm not hiding any balls. There's zero evidence of malevolent intent on my end. There's zero evidence of dogmatic claims or hand-waiving on my end. No demonizing, as you have insinuated, might I add without any foundation at all. That's 3 allegations you've made against me without providing a single reason to support them! Thanks Truth! I am still awaiting a good faith response from somebody on here. Hopefully I will get one! Nobody wants to engage in real argumentation because that's where we start to risk having to change our cherished beliefs. It's fear of having our golden assumptions unsettled, is it not? I lost that fear as a Philosophy major many years ago. Fear of arguing is the breeding-ground of dogma. Instead of following evidence to our conclusions, we settle what we want to believe first, and then try to shore-that-up the best we can with cardboard and chicken-wire. The problem is, you better hope nobody comes along and challenges your precious conclusions, or you may be left up a creek without a paddle. That's scary, I understand! But it's the breeding-ground of dogma too. And -- ironically -- Leo has spent plenty of time castigating religion over the same kind of dogmatic attitude! Am I wrong? Isn't what's good for the goose good for the gander here? Why the double-standard? I'm curious. Please enlighten me.

@electroBeam If there is no judger, then what are you doing in response to my question? Is judgment that mysterious? The mechanics of logic are different from the mechanics of the universe! Says who? You? Wow, that's a judgment there, is it not. See the irony? For a man who doesn't undestand that he judges, that sure is a doozy, is it not! Where's your evidence for that lofty conclusion? I have more evidence that I judge than you have of that claim, I kid you not! Judging is observed mentally, it doesn't come thru any empirical portal. What's so confusing about that? Please enlighten me. Calling my claim "silly" doesn't strengthen your argument at all. It's name-calling. But at least you provided *some* reasons for your conclusions, and I respect that. And what are the mechanics of logic, may I ask? I have a degree in Philosophy and I am entirely baffled by that claim. You seem to judge that proposition to be reasonable to accept pretty confidently, do you not? Do you even accept that you are making that judgment, or are you still confused about what the word judgment means? Let's get real ok?

@Truth You gave no reasons for your conclusions Truth! In other words, your conclusions lack any foundation. I expected more from you. Anybody can say -- is not, is too! That's not an argument. You gotta give reasons for your conclusions. Am I wrong? Otherwise you're dealing dogmatically here. We don't want to be stuck in Medieval Times in our discourse, at least I don't. Maybe others do, in fact, I'm beginning to scratch my head and wonder!

@Leo Gura Zen-stick slap? What am I, an ornery child Leo? One who writes really well for his age, perhaps haha. I beg your pardon Leo! That's not an argument nor is it persuasive. That's ok. You seem to have no problem advancing arguments when they serve your lofty claims and conclusions. Sounds like something that a religious person would say when their cherished beliefs are challenged. It's in the book! Go read the book! See, right there, it says in the book! God created the Earth 4000 years ago, see, the book! Well sir, we have evidence that the Earth is billions of years old. Zen-stick slap! Ok, I guess that's like the Chan master's punch in the face, I get it. Oy vey, the irony! Ok Leo, maybe I should take your word for it then. The master has spoken, I stand corrected now! Zen-stick slap? Gimme a break! How arrogant and dogmatic a response from you! I thought you were supposed to be "Mr. Openminded"! I would have expected such a response from a religious fanatic, not the one Leo Gura. Go read yer bible sonny! Well, I've done that daddy, and . . . Well, then GO read it again! Yes sir, because you says so, I'z will. Guud! I hope you welcome diverse views on this forum Leo besides your own. We don't all swallow-down your epistemology like tablets from Moses. I quite disagree with your views on epistemology in fact, if you care to ever have them challenged. Maybe you don't! If that's the case, I'll deal with other issues on here. After all, this is YOUR forum, and I respect that.

@Emerald Cool! I'm gonna check out your content on your channel. I'm so excited! I've watched every single one of Leo's videos, many multiple times now. You and Leo are going to ensure I never get any work done lol! I love this stuff! And I'm learning so much. Can't wait.

@Natasha Can you explain a little more about body-mind? Sounds interesting!

@Prabhaker Doesn't it make sense to draw a distinction between the individual ego and the social ego? Seems like you are referring to the social ego. My current understanding is that the social ego is societal in nature, and everything else is the individual ego. I realize these distinctions may be more or less problematic (or more or less useful depending on which lens you are looking thru for which purpose). I'm sort of a newbie with all this stuff, but not really too. Please correct my thinking if you see it differently.

@Epiphany_Inspired Good point. My idolizing only extends to their ideas not to their lives due to the effect that their ideas had on me. Of their lives, with the exception of Wittgenstein, I know little about.

Not reading responses, writing responses.

Let's say someone put a gun to your head and said you have to label yourself as a type (or combo of types) or die, what would you say? Remember, no loosey-goosey: you are gambling with your life. And I assume anyone who talks about enlightenment as a serious topic of daily discourse falls into the category of Buddhists. Don't nitpick that category please. Think of it as a wide net. Gimme some labels! Let's get down to some brass tacks here. I wanna nail you folks down. And if it's a combo of schools, say that. I'd rather have an answer than no answer. Remember -- No weaseling out! Weasels die. No hedge-words. And no lying just to save your skin either. Be honest. Let's say the gunman has you hooked up to a lie detector machine. Describe your influences and/or types please. I think y'all get what I'm looking for. And if you can't do types or schools, do teachers. Something's better than nothing. You can give me a list of teachers, no? I wanna learn about you and your differences.

@Nahm I'm not sure. I can't believe Leo's concept of enlightenment until I experience it for myself though. But I have had an ego-death experience where I lost the concept of myself as a thing. And I do practice being in nothingness and watching my input portals (thoughts and senses). But I have not experienced the crack that Leo talks about where you lose your sense of self entirely. And I'd be interested in hearing from anybody on here who has actually achieved Leo's sense of enlightenment fully.

My monkey-mind is very negative. Does the monkey get more cheerful as you do personal development and kick-up more positive default thoughts than negative default thoughts? Does the ratio ever favor the positive thoughts with some of you more advanced folks? I wanna trade my negative monkey in for a more positive one! I think my whole world would change.

@egoeimai Well, do it then. I'm curious. I wanna see what people's blocks are to compare them with my own. I've got some big ones, as I've plainly shown.

@Epiphany_Inspired Maybe this is what causes people to become celebrities or "successful"! Positive monkey-mind spirals. Just a half-baked thought.

@Nahm I'm definitely not a fan of nonduality. I don't accept duality either or the idea that one or the other has to be true (this is an example of a false choice fallacy). But I have had an ego-death experience in the sense that I no longer cling to a notion and feeling of myself as a thing, and I do practice being in nothingness, meditation, and watching/monitoring my thoughts. I do not believe all is one. And I don't think Leo's concept of enlightenment is possible. You can't lose your self entirely. That's a fiction. Maybe 85%, but not entirely. And I would never believe that or espouse that unless I experienced it directly and firsthand myself first. Otherwise it's a pipe-dream at worst and hypothesis at best. And I don't mistake hypotheses for truths. Until I experience the crack for myself, as Leo has referred to it as, I will continue to believe that Leo's concept of enlightenment is a fiction. Nobody else's testimony is really persuasive to me because I can't really climb into their mind and verify it for myself. But I still keep an open mind and welcome testimony, naturally. I never stop listening. To believe it, I must first see it for myself firsthand, especially with something as radical as Leo's concept of enlightenment.

@Nahm Would you say you have achieved Leo's concept of enlightenment? Have you experienced the crack that Leo talks about in his discourses on enlightenment?

@egoeimai You can do it! You can do it!

@Steph1988 I'm self employed. Yeah, it's just an ideal. I practice it at a percentage accuracy everyday. I'm getting it locked in more and more each day. Sometimes I do take a day off here and there. I've pieced it together over time like building modules and then working them together so it's hard for me to say how long I've been doing it. It was a gradual optimization process for me. I started doing it this way in time blocks a couple of years ago when I got out of the paradigm of having everything scheduled down to the minute.

@ValiantSalvatore Yep. But if I fall off I don't worry about it and just pick it up the next day. The schedule is an ideal, I don't perform it 100% all the time, although I aim to. But it is also not a pipe-dream either, I do practice it with a percentage accuracy everyday.

@nahtanoj Ego-death: When the concept (and feeling) that I had of myself as a thing died, or more accurately was no longer capable of being clung-to. The thing I had previously thought I was and was defending died. Who I thought I was died, so in a sense, I died, although not really. It's a bit paradoxical. But it was not a fun process. It was a very emotional process. Like what happens when people are exposed to enlightenment: sometimes you hear people describe the table-turning aftermath of that. That's what I mean. I literally went through the 7 stages of grief. And I got really angry and fearless and became a Zen Devil for a couple of weeks until I got my bearings again. But this was not an intellectual experience. It was more like an exorcism, although without the evil connotations. My self left me. Although, I found out later, not entirely. There are still vestiges of my ego (in the self sense) left in me -- like 15% remaining. Be careful what you wish for with enlightenment work, you might get it! But I feel much better today being in emptiness, so it was worth it. But it caused a lot of consternation in my life for about 3 weeks. Watch Leo's videos on enlightenment.

No need to apologize. It's not that serious.

@Natasha One problem I have is when people are so purportedly open-minded they forget they are practicing philosophy. I'm not surprised nobody answered this. It was a good experiment. Nobody wants to admit they are beholden to theories. I'll keep to the practical stuff on here, the Self-Actualization side.

@Martin123 I didn't say that! That's a straw man you set up. I posed this question in good faith and specifically said don't get hung up on the word Buddhist, it's a wide net and not the question at issue. I wanna know how people identify, not some trivial response.

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I do this same routine Mon thru Sun, 7 days per week. But I take a little 3 day vacation every couple/few months where I travel somewhere by airplane for R&R time. So, even though I don't take my weekends off, I get to go to Las Vegas or wherever every couple/few months for 3 days. That works for me. I find that running my life on a consistent routine everyday gives me great momentum, like having wind at my back. 1. Morning Routine (3.5 hours) Wake: 5:30 am -- Make and drink smoothie -- Read my Mission Statement -- Do Concentration work/ Do Meditation (1 Hour) -- Get my lunch ready to bring to work. Do some errands around the house. -- Take a Bath -- Get Ready for Work -- Walk to Work. Do walking meditation. 2. Work Routine (9.5 hours) Arrive at work: 9 am -- Strategize my work day (30 mins) -- Work (Eat Lunch somewhere that fits) -- Work on my philosophy (I'm writing a book) 3. Evening Routine (2.5 hours) Leave work: 6:30 pm -- Walk home. Do walking meditation. -- Do some errands. Do some cooking (if needed). Work on my exercise for integrating with my past. Do some socializing with friends and family. Do some work on this forum. Do some personal development work, but nothing too heavy. (I usually only do the heavy personal development work when I travel.) 4. Sleep (8.5 hours) In bed for Sleep: 9:00 pm // PS: I find that being too anal with my time-frames didn't work for me, I felt too reigned-in, too controlled. Notice that I keep stuff in time-blocks rather than having everything scheduled down to the minute. But that's just me. I don't like to be too controlled, and I need some flexibility in my schedule. This is the only schedule I have ever stuck with for any length of time. It is sustainable for me. It took me 10 years to realize I can't do the anal schedule where everything is scheduled down to the minute. If you pull the reins too hard, the horse will buck!