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    2 hours ago, Principium Nexus said:

    @SOUL What do you expect before any unlimited potentional manifests? The void, since none of these potentials have been realized until then. Emptyness is the infinite potentional, it's the ultimate calmness before something arises.

    All things arise continously and don't pop into existence, thats why nothing is the shared starting point of all. They all share this as their absolute origin.

    The void is a paradox, its so empty its full of all possibilities ?

    Potential is a thing even if it's all things unfulfilled but isn't the same as the void which is devoid of anything as well as the potential of all things.

    Emptiness implies that there is a thing not yet filled so emptiness is not the void because the void is devoid of anything including a thing that has yet to be filled.

    It's not just a paradox, it's mind shattering and consciousness stripping because even the purest of awareness cannot be one with the void.

     

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    @Russell Parr Ok, so your interpretation of what is meant by illusion is that it 'does not exist'. Which isn't the actual meaning of it.

    You also assert that things don't exist without conscious observation of them.

    On the quantum level we know that a particle isn't determined until observation is made but that isn't the same thing as does not exist until observation is made which correlates to your misinterpretation of the word illusion.

    Yet there is existence with it's natural laws that does exist, hence it being existence, and affects the manifest universe regardless of whether there is any manifest conscious being there to observe it.

    Well, what is this consciousness that is the observing which has the power to manifest the universe of things into existence that doesn't rely on manifest consciousness to observe it into reality?

    It could be then understood that the presence of consciousness as the initial form of infinite potential is what brought the manifest into existence through it's observation, aka awareness of it.

    So, I state that it is the awareness within our consciousness that transcends to unite with the consciousness form of the infinite potential without the machinations of the mind even if it's effects are present within the mind.

    You assert it's all an illusion, with you defining it as 'does not exist', including consciousness, though here you are arguing on behalf of your idea that something that does not exist being the only way to attain something that does not exist.

    Hmm...

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    15 minutes ago, Russell Parr said:

    Yes it is. Enlightenment doesn't just pop up out of nowhere. It is an awareness resulting from an accurate understanding of reality, coupled by the shedding of delusion.

    An accurate understanding of reality and the shedding of delusion are effects from enlightenment that can happen in us, although it is more than just those effects and not a result of them.

    One can attempt to logically construct a mental framework, a paradigm, to understand enlightenment and it's effects but that isn't what is enlightenment itself.

    Conflating the two as one is what the mind does to justify it's ideas about it and often is the stumbling block to enlightenment.

    Enlightenment can happen when the mind gets out of the way of our awareness, the mind cannot understand a process that doesn't include it even if the effects are experienced in the mind.

     

     

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    1 minute ago, Russell Parr said:

    It could be said that an amoeba has a primitive, simplistic mind, from which its awareness emerges. But now we're playing semantic games. The point which this deviates from is in regards to the role of logic in enlightenment, which is to say, the enlightened mind is a logical mind.

    Well, it isn't semantics that an amoeba has a primitive awareness as demonstrated by it's ability to be aware of it's environment and respond to the stimuli in it.

    Although, it is semantics to stretch the word "mind" in a way that describes the primitive awareness and response of an amoeba so it fits.

    You are using your own definition of the word to justify your own view about enlightenment and you are welcome to do so for your own experience.

    To suggest it is a universal truth for everyone is the moment your view and it's definitions cannot stretch to fit.

     

     

     

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    4 minutes ago, Principium Nexus said:

    It's the void

    The void is absolute in it being nothing. It's not consciousness, it's not potential, not time, it's absolute in being devoid.

    Infinite potential manifests as consciousness.

    Infinite void manifests as space.

    Infinite now manifests as time.

    The manifest is not the absolute, it's an existential expression of it but it is not it in the absolute state.

  14. Posted · Edited by SOUL

    39 minutes ago, Shin said:

    If you really didn't care, you wouldn't answer 3 times to show us how much you're above it.

    Read the god damn book and stop being a pussy.

    I simply responded with my experience but gave no opinion either way about it, I didn't think it was a big deal of my not reading and replying on it.

    If you value the book then enjoy what you got from it, although what value do you get by projecting stuff onto others because they didn't read it?

    It's not fear or uncaring or being above something, it's just a book, I have no opinion of it, I just didn't read it.

    if your attitude towards me is an example of what reading this book brings to someone then I surely have no need for it.

  15. Posted · Edited by SOUL

    21 minutes ago, Russell Parr said:

    The mind is not to be transcended, only the ego. You cannot have revelation or awareness without the mind.

    You have clearly displayed your own limiting beliefs with this statement but it doesn't apply to anyone except yourself.

    Does an amoeba have any awareness? Of course it does, it is a primitive sense of awareness of it's surroundings but it is an awareness nonetheless.

    Does it have a mind? No, it doesn't.

    This is just one example of awareness without mind.

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    Revelation is insight that doesn't use logic to acquire it, logic may be used after to examine it but the initial revelation happens when awareness transcends the mind and all it's trappings.

    Of course, that insight is revealed within the context of mind even though it isn't the product of it yet the mind will attempt to lay claim to it.

    Enlightenment is a function of awareness, not logic and to achieve the the illuminated insights it behooves us to shed the confines of the mind which logic is part of.

     

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    @rrodriguez11 To put it simply, typically people are referring to the awareness part of consciousness that can observe the rest of the consciousness do it's thing.

    There is the subconscious, ego, thoughts as well as the emotional impulses and physical senses all of which comprise what is often called the self.

    Awareness, which is commonly viewed as distinct and an eternal aspect of consciousness can observe the self and all it's machinations happening.

    That is generally what is meant by self observation in spirituality.