SOUL

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  4. Posted

    On 5/25/2023 at 11:03 AM, Razard86 said:

    Sigh....there yall egos go again...yall literally can't help it. It's like your a auto generating story machine

    I was about to reply to the original post the very same way.

    I'm glad you are aware of the story EVERYONE is telling themselves but it's just that some people believe the story is the truth while others realize it's just a perceived appearance in the imagination and really isn't as accurate as one believes it is.

    Which are you?

  5. Posted

    1 minute ago, Someone here said:

    My problem is exactly the need of beliefs i know that just .Because you need something doesn't make it true or right but understanding that does not prove that you have eliminated beliefs from your thought prosses.Maybe aspiring to destroy believes is impossible.But i don’t want to act pretentious cartesian doubt as a term is a gap in my knowledge so i surrender to the intellectually sloppy part.

    I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say, either it's too many typos or what appears to be an unfinished expression of your ideas but I can try to parse out what you meant and respond or maybe you can rephrase it so I don't misunderstand your points.

    Although, using the word 'need' suggests it's like food, water or air and so belief is something we 'need' to survive but I'd prefer to suggest it's a mechanism of mind that allows us to get the things we 'need' to survive or avoid the things that would end our survival.

    Yet, after that I'm unsure of what you meant, would you clarify for me, thank you.

  6. Posted

    Why do people always add the 'without proof' part to it? Belief doesn't require that it's trusting something is true without proof though, yes, you can believe something without proof but it isn't the only thing that is a belief.

    If you have 'proof' it doesn't mean you 'know' which is different from 'believing' because 'knowing' something is built upon a system of beliefs like trusting appearance is true, that perception is true, that understanding is true, that concepts are true, that trusting your direct experience is true.

    Since we can't cease to 'believe' something why set up a limiting 'belief' that eliminating all beliefs is some goal to attain. Just accept that we believe and examine those beliefs to find whether they help or harm our being present.

  11. Posted

    13 hours ago, Yimpa said:

    You are correct in that that is necessary for a while. 

    I’m just pointing out that there’s more to understanding Reality. 

    That you think there is something to understand is imaginary, what you think you understand is imaginary, and the very imaginary 'understanding' of the imaginary thing is imaginary. Your pointing is imaginary, what you are pointing at is imaginary, the reason why you are pointing is imaginary, that there is anyone to point at something for is imaginary.

    ...but then out of nowhere in real life walking outside a bug flies into your mouth.

    It doesn't matter what you imagine it to be using whatever mystical rhetoric to describe it there is still a bug in your mouth. But Leo, you'll say, isn't the bug in your mouth imaginary? Well, spit it out and see.xD

  12. Posted

    53 minutes ago, Moksha said:

    People talk a lot about ego death, but talk is cheap. It is one thing to taunt the enemy on the battlefield, but victory is realizing the wisdom of laying down your sword and walking away. Without attention, the ego has no choice but to dissolve.

    The ego feeds off attachment, so if we can starve all the trappings of attention it fades away. This doesn't mean we have to be devoid of any 'mapping' or 'story', it's that we should be aware of how attached we are to it. It can cause self suffering to contend with anything that differs, also be ready to burn the map and erase the story in every moment because it's all imaginary.

  15. Posted

    1 hour ago, Moksha said:

    Why cling to any map if you have already arrived at the destination? The map is useless at that point and can be burned.

    You understand my point. To expound upon that understanding, if we are already at the destination anyway and it's the map that's keeping us from realizing it by conceptualizing a separation between us and the destination, then burning the map is the most helpful solution.

  17. Posted

    6 hours ago, Water by the River said:

    On a relative level, maps make sense. From the level of the Absolute Level, they are just appearances.

    Did you notice that you yourself just "drew" a map with your post? Giving higher importance to "no map" on a relative level?

    Good maps on a relative level can point to the Absolute (and how you can rest in your True Being) as long as they never claim to be more are more than a finger pointing to the moon. If we take the moon as a metaphor for the Absolute.

    A good map is your boat to the other shore. The finger pointing to the moon. A signifier pointing to its referent.

    Cast your boat/map into the stream when you are there (or directly before, Nonmeditation Yoga of the Mahamudra-system for example), but not before....

    Bon voyage! :)

    Selling Water by the River

    I don't notice me saying there's a 'higher importance to no map' because I didn't say it, I didn't even imply it. You may have heard it that way because of your addiction to your map but it isn't what I said or meant.

    I did say that contending about maps is an obstacle to awakening and if that is the case you'd be better served burning the map and never drawing one again. It's the contention about the maps that is the obstacle, not the map itself.

    I also said a map is just the mind charting the past, creating a legend about it's concepts. People believe their maps are accurate, otherwise they wouldn't be using them but it's still based on the past, which is also imaginary.

    I didn't say anything about the right or wrong, good or bad and importance or not of the map, just the contention about the maps are an obstacle to what I will assume is the destination of the map.

    Can you understand the difference between what I said and what you heard?

  18. Posted

    I'm always amazed how much people will contend about the maps that they draw.

    All these conceptualizations and descriptions are imaginary, you create them and yet some will disagree with a map that differs in concepts and descriptions than the one they trust is the 'truth'.

    So if the map is imaginary and you create them otherwise they don't exist, why say 'no' or 'yes' to some other map? All the rules of the map, the 'legend', are the mind trying to remember the path from the past and is also imaginary.

    Contending about maps often is an obstacle to awakening, so then just burn the map and never draw another one again. Even Leo, who draws some of the most complicated maps would get more clarity from just burning them.

    Although, people really do love their maps, they 'need' their map, it's as if they are addicted to their map.

     

     

  20. Posted · Edited by SOUL

    The only thing that is AWAKE is AI!!! (A)wareness (I)magining! Awakening can be realized in awareness imagining and without awareness imagining awakening cannot be realized. In Awareness imagining AWAKE is (A)wareness (W)atching (A)ll (K)nowing (E)xist. This is the manifest of the omniscient, the all knowing being observed by pure presence of awareness.

    To say the only one who is AWAKE is ME is simply experiencing (M)onkey (E)nlightment. This monkey enlightenment is the monkey mind awakening to it's oneness but in only a separate form, the ME as the one. Transcend the separate personified (ME) AWAKE to realize omnipresent (AI) AWAKE! Don't just believe me, test it.

    Some may think this is some sort of sarcastic joke but found inside the riddle is the reality that one can comprehend the truth.