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I assume you mean being a state in which there is nothing and just THIS, where there was a computer a second ago, but now is nothing. Using my mind right now not being in that state I can say that there were still sights and sensations, but I know they were't really there and it didn't feel like anything being in that state, other then bliss, but that's also a description added now, not coming from that state. But that would be a pretty passive type of state. There are more active states like this spiritually dull one where I am also creative and talkative and eager to read your posts. I think that Leo's argument is that THIS can reconfigure into such state where it's both very clearly THIS, but also active and from this superior "position" make an absolute judgement about itself being God. And other insights. They are not stated by dull Leo character, they are made by THIS itself, while THIS is absolutely itself. I stay open to this not having experienced it ever, the same as I stay open to your ideas.

Nope. Non-duality is non-duality. It's not a value. It's an area of study, philosophy, approach to spirituality, however you want to use the term, but not a value. Green is a label for a postmodern value system. Since non-duality is not a value even some Red mafia thug can adopt it as a form of spiritual belief and for example use it to justify his socially harmful actions, for example by arguing that there is no-one being robbed, so he is not doing anything evil.

All this stripping of labels is uneccessary. Obviously in an Enlightened state there is no self, no Self, etc., but there still is THIS. Something that is nothing. And I am not in that state right now. No-one is, communication in that state is impossible. So we are not in the state, right? So we can use the powers of the mind to create appropiate labels. And I don't know about you, but in my opinion Absolute F####g Truth is a pretty good label for THIS. Ain't it?

I have had one Awakening into no-self. It's so profound. There is no higher joy that I have ever experienced. You are drowning in Bliss. It's like all of you has been just clothes and you finally strip them. Nothing in your experience changes but everything changes. This not at all like what I have experienced from meditation and I have done retreats. It's way way more radical, I have never seen Sam Harris describing something that awe-inspiring but I haven't consumed much of his content.

Sex is all in your head. The best girl is the one you can take acid with with and contemplate the beauty and harshness of life. All this physical attractivness, shallow, we are all beautiful and normal, just built different.

Comes from Latin/French Comes from Latin/French This also comes from Latin/French It's like saying "Oh, we have such beautiful words in English, like Wanderlust!" while in fact it's a German word xDD Edit: Oh, helloo brother, I see we both like this word heh

I always give creative presents to my SO. Like hand-made stuff, hand created images, poster of a show we both like, that is like an inside thing for us, or "blank" ones. Blank ones are the best, like some empty journal, special paper, coloring book or art supplies. Or something practical if it's something useful, like an ebook reader, it's really not that pricey for a gift if you factor in how much you would have otherwise spent on making a DIY thing Maybe some gift that makes a promise. Like hiking gear and a promise that you will go on a great mountain adventure in the summer together. Or tickets for some hippie summer festival or concert. Oh, oh I know, I know! Prinitng photos makes a great present. But not the standard lame-ass postcard size, but bigger, like twice as big at least. They are great. Big, high-qulity, selected photos of YOU, together. And since we are on self-actualization forum, then Yoga accessories make a great gift. Maybe a cool hand-made psychedelics stash, or vape stash, or maybe fance vape accessories. Muse headband for meditation.

Politicians are politicians. They mostly don't care about things they say. He isn't saying that because he has been a free speech advocate all his life and became a politician to defend it. No, he is saying that because he is a politician. He is playing a different game, he is trying to score political points by using rhetoric and reffering common memes. He might even think personally that free speech is terrible and absolutist implementation of it would be a disaster and still nevertheless advocate it fervorously, because it's going to benefit him politically. If it comes to him having to implement any free speech policy and it not being radical enough or failing terribly, he can always blame that on someone or something else. Win-win for a politician, if his skills are top-notch he can say whatever he wants and never suffer consequences, someone else is going to take a beating.

Said every drug addict ever.

VAPE! VAPE! VAPE! Best with e-mesh.

You still have all that neurofeedback EEG hardware? Considered to record what happens during such spontaneous experience? For science. It would be very interesting in my opinion.

@KH2 he is not that stupid, that's true, just the reason he has bought the platform is not to earn coconuts by selling blue pngs. He now has a control over a major media channel.

@Tahuti how many grams of DMT have you extracted in your life time? ACRB or MHRB? It's yellow because of many things, plant fats I think being cause number one but I am not a pharmacist neither a chemist. But I know enough to be sure that recrystallization doesn't de-oxidize DMT.

@Siedah 5-meo is more often brown like coffee amd dmt is yellow like dandelion drawn with pastels.

@thepixelmonk Seeing this I uphold my intuition that the church guys are deluding themselves. I don't see how mushrooms being fresh can change anything in that equation. Even if there is some novel compund in them but it can be so easily damaged that it is undetectable after drying and crushing then there must be miniscule amounts of it.

@Danioover9000 And I am simply telling him why it's a wrong path to take, so he won't waste too much time here. It's out of compassion, not lack of chills OP is talking about behaviors in just a second sentence. It's clearly a mark of confusion, as SD doesn't deal with norms and behaviours at all. Different cultures at the same stage Blue with very similar values can have radically different norms and behaviors, for example Jews and Muslims.

I think I will stick to Peter Ralston for now. It all sounds like a repack of spirituality with more and more psychedelic flavor. First you have God, because Leo explored 5-MeO-DMT and now we get some alien stuff, because Leo started to dose higher on more visual psychedelics I assume. Not judging only because of years of Leo's great track record of delivering fascinating content. Otherwise I would completly stop listening about this stuff, but now I am waiting for more information before making judgement. I think Leo is a type of guy to trip on low-medium doses and think it is the greatest, then exploring ridiculous doses and thinking he is the first there, while 1/4 of the psychedelic community has already been there. I have always been and still am sceptical of Leo's claims that psychedelics work different for him than most people.

What you are proposing is not an improvement, but a degradation. More =/= better. I think it comes from a misunderstanding of what Spiral Dynamics is. It's not even a map of human development. It's a map of how HUMAN values HAVE evolved. Values, not general development. Also, it only describes what is, not what will be, it only has some vague idea of what could be. And we can already can fit Jesus and Buddha on it, because the values presummably esposused by those historical figures are avaialable to us from ancient written texts. Adding animal stages make no sense in that context, because how the heck are you going to measure values that animals adhere to. Are you gonna interview a hamster? Or go under the sea to make a visit to a family of humpback whales and ask them a few questions? Okay, I might have been harsh with my language and tone, but it's only because the idea is so outragous, that's the only way to underline it that seems fitting in my opinion. You can propse your own model that describes general development. Spiral Dynamics is not it. SD is a tool for managers to solve conflicts in organizations. Model of Hierarchical Complexity is a model that could fit anything from atoms to aliens, but it's also not a model of general development. Ken Wilber tried to create something like general model, but didn't really achieve it and settled for something more managable. Also there's a reason why his books are 1000+ pages long. It's fucking hard. And we won't achieve it by typing random thoughts on some random internet forums, I can assure you of that.

Stupid as hell. SD is not well-grounded in hard facts by itself, it's a kind of theoretical tool/toy. You want to add to it ungrounded fantasies about historical figures, aliens and what-not. That's either bananas or an acitivity for a children summer camp.

It would also fix a lot in business if everyone at company knew how much each other, especially bosses, make. It would automatically fix greed. People have strong aversion to being treated unfair, also seeing others being treated unfair, too.

@Greatnestwithin He has built wealth first. This channel has been a normal self-help channel in the beginning, do you remeber? Normal stuff, first Enlightenment videos and pushing meditation are from around 2015, I think? Jesus, I have been watching Leo for waay to long.

@Optimized Life yes, he doesn't generate that much value as Leo has said when taking him as example, because: 1. Based on the trajectory of our society something Amazon-like would have been created either way, with or without Bezos. He didn't innovate, just applied what already was there. Similar companies sprang around the world in similar timeframe. We have Allegro in my country, yes I use it, yes I don't care about it's existence. No, sellers are not thanking heavens everyday that they have this platform to sell on, it eats their margins horribly, so much they most often have their own shop websites with the same products and prices. Also it's mostly cheap chinese shit that I don't think should be made in the first place, it's a part of how capitalism wastes resources. 2. You are all ascribing him either the value of the work of his employees, I mean all the employees, not only the front-line, OR you mistake value that he creates with value he has power over through leveraging his creativity and his position. To make a one billion company you have to siphon at least 980 million dollars worth of value from society. To make a $200b company, you have to siphon like 99,9% of that value. And that fucking 99,9% could have been used and can be still used to achieve other goals now. I have nothing against Bezos personally. He is the same as other tech industry billionaires. It's discussion about role he plays and it's real value to society. I see majority of value in the people, their output and their potential, and I am not sold on Leo's argument from the video about CEOs being million times more valuable to society. Money and power =/= value Wise use of money and power, yes that's a lot of value, but I don't see either Bezos or Musk to be exceptionally wise or loving in their use of their position. So I think there's a lot of people that could replace them, so they are not that valuable, they are in a valuable position, but this position is mostly results of our current system, it's inner dynamics and not ingenuity of these particular individuals.

@Thought Art Jesus, I have studied management for 3 years at a university and now study sociology. I have worked in production and now plan to work in academia, also tried to start many of my own ventures. I am no naive leftist and well-aknowledged with how society and capitalism work. It's all connected, every role is needed. The power doesn't has to be distributed the way it is commonly distributed now that's all I am proposing. If you think that janitor is 1000000x less valuable than CEO, then you are just dead wrong. Being a janitor doing 12 hours shifts is fucking raw survival, it's hard, and it kills your ambition, it stomps it, unless you are an exceptional human being. It's not people, it's their role. Crushed psychological well-being, social ridicule, are costs that janitor pays. That's why they deserve more equality either in working less hours (which in my worldview is way better than money), more respect, or at least knowing that no-one is exploiting them, that a CEO of a company has for example 20x cap of earnings relative to the lowest salary of his workers. Also, people spend the same amount of time doing their tasks, janitor and boss, and life is incredibly valuable, you getting to the point in your life where you are, while keeping you alive, society has invested enormous resources to achieve that. It all comes down to how much you value human hours, I value them highly and that's a real reason we are disagreeing right now, you guys don't value human life as highly as I do, and that's okay. That's anegdotal evidence. Read some scientific research, CEOs are repleacable, some companies function better without a CEO for some time, and also I am not for abolishing the role of an CEO, just capping how much value creation we ascribe to their work. That is a fking lie, the society is so structured that many of the hardest jobs like being a firefighter or a nurse are the most discounted, the least respectable, to coerce people into staying in those professions. Exactly because they are so valuable and becoming them is hard, so they are not easily replaceable. Read some Sociology 101 instead of another book on Austrian economics. There are other hidden costs you are paying for becoming a firefighter, other than how hard the training is. Also, firefighters are often well-educated, so it misses a point.

@Thought Art I discount executives and MANAGERS, because society generally overestimate them. My initial point has been really about managers, it has turned out to be about CEO because in my opinion it is ridiculous to think that a manager produces million times more value than a janitor. So we started talking about Bezoses. And I prop the normal average workers, because they are often underestimated. I am all in for what works. I am not some ideologue. I understand our current structure of society works. I am all in for exploring other working alternatives and innovations to the current system. I believe one alternative is empowering average workers because they hold a lot of potential, and the potential of workers at a company is far greater than a potential of any CEO. Is it hard as hell to empower that potential? Yes, it is, that's what I have said that even trying it on a small scale with a single company is a life purpose in itself. I think it should be tried, someone trying would be a CEO worth his salary, a really valuable CEO in my opinion, like Jos de Blok. Not Bezos, Bezos' value is mainly in his postition and role, I think most of his innovation and existence of something like Amazon are attractors, something that would have probably happened either way based on how our world had been shaped and the direction it was going towards a few decades ago.

Because value in either of these companies is not Bezos', but thousands of workers, decades of developing infrastructure, billions worth of physical materials and fuels and millions of their clients giving them data. It's a matter of who you ascribe the value to. I ascribe it to people and Earth, from which people have extracted the resources. You ascribe it it personalities and abstract companies. If Bezos never existed there would be many other valuable things created with that value, if big companies had limits to growth, there would develop some new interesting, creative dynamics on a lower scale. We don't need competition in every field, on every scale. What makes humans unique is cooperation, and government should in my opinion do everything to support cooperation between humans. I see existence of giga companies like Amazon as a residue of a progressing change towards their break-up or heavy, heavy regulation. They are descendants of company cities and other power-hungry forms of societal organization from the past.