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  1. Posted

    50 minutes ago, Dutch guy said:

    @purerogue I think Visionary is onto something. Sounds Visionary to me.

    That's the visionary in you my bro

     

    7 minutes ago, electroBeam said:

    @Visionary Love it.

    From my perspective, the body is not legs, feet, stomach, etc. To me personally that all is illusion, or its projection.

    Whats not(or less ;) ) of a projection is energies felt in consciousness that are beyond the mind(im very careful here not to day these energies come from the body, because while it seems that way, its not exactly true) and not getting sucked into the mind, and allowing these energies to have awareness placed on them(body awareness) is necessary not to get depressed.

    So i agree with you, I just dont think its the body, its energetic perception.

    Like if you watch closely, the chakras are not in the body. Thats a dogma you learnt because your kundalini teachers needed a way to teach it to you materialistically so it would make sense to your brain. All of it is actually within consciousness or our awareness field, and the thought that its located in the body... is just a thought, its not, its more accurate to say its in the mind, God's universal mind.

    YES! Exactly this my dude. It's all about energetics, that's what i'm also referring to. But its to make the distinction between the awakening stages.

  3. Posted

    1 minute ago, Dutch guy said:

    Focussing on the tan/tien (below the belly), bone breathing, tai-chi, earth energy, six healing sounds, inner smile. All practices of the Healing Tao system.

    Example; (but even be careful with this one if already much energy)

     

    Mijn dank is groot! 

    Oh and btw guys:

    I've intuitively come across ecstatic dancing and singing. These can be incredibly grounding and freeing at the same time (also with self-expression).

  4. Posted

    7 hours ago, Gnosis said:

    :x

    7 hours ago, Consilience said:

    Resonates with me deeply. 2 years ago as I was really getting serious with consciousness work, contemplate, meditation, etc., I got diagnosed with type 1 diabetes and basically my entire relationship to my body transformed overnight... I became very conscious of just how interconnected the body is with our state of experience, our awareness, our focus, mood. It’s all connected. 

    Nutrition, sleep, exercise, breathing correctly are all techniques I use to ground myself. It any of these are off, monkey mind, illusion, and ego are all much more rampant. 

    Thank you man

     

    7 hours ago, Gnosis said:

    :x

    :x

  5. Posted · Edited by Visionary

    5 hours ago, purerogue said:

    What I think about this,please do not put my on stakes.  :D 

     

    For me it is all mind, difference is how you use it, you focus on  emotions,feelings instead of logic and they process information quite differently. 

    You do not have much of options in this case, you will change every second day, because you are slave to emotions,logic and every state that comes and goes,trying to make sense out of illusion, because each and every one of them are trying to make it as real as possible, it is not that it is even trying, it is just what that moment is. 

    I wish you luck though, it will not free you from illusion ,but you might get to lalal land you are looking for.   

    So many assumptions my man. 

    To me it looks like you're in a complete denial of this "physical" reality. Or in a very infantile stage of your journey. I know it's consciousness, but groundedness heavily influences the quality of your subjective experience. Why don't you cut of your leg if it doesnt mean anything to you? Even some of the most enlightened beings (like Gangaji and Matt Kahn) are saying this. Ignoring the quality of your humanness and subjective experience can be a much darker way of being attached to that same illusion you're talking about. In the end it will be maya. But you misunderstood illusion if you think they mean it is "not real". Thats a major disrespect to the realness of existence. 

    This work is not about denying anything. "Seeing through" is a loving act. Detachment is a loving act. Freedom means the willingness to become a slave. Not-knowing is not an attitude that stems from denial. Denial is judgement = concept.

    Maybe i misunderstood you, but even the grandest sages warn us to not forget humanity (no one talks about being attached). What is consciousness/spirituality but a concept relative to your humanity? 

  6. Posted

    For some reason most members here are very focused on the mind and much less on the body. Please read this and tell me what you think about this, how your process with regard to this unfolds etc.

    I've been through quite a lot the last 4 or 5 years. Been living a lot in my crown chakra the past year. Been open to lots of energies. Hitting rock bottom was becoming my favourite hobby. It almost became addicting to hit up high frequencies and then plunge into darkness through various ego death cycles. 

    But your life will absolutely suck if you won't anchor that shit into your body. If you refuse to be a person in a real world, life will suck. Don't tell me this is an illusion. Because you're actually filtering a Higher Truth through language. Which makes it incredibly nihilistic and won't do you any good. 

    Dying out of your body = awakening of the mind = psychological death

    Dying into the body = awakening of the body 

    You must die into the body before you can transcend it by death of the body. During this phase you will realize that love is what you're really afraid of. That there is no difference between fear and love.

    Ultimate fear pops up when ultimate love shows itself for the ultimate surrender. 

    For this we need to merge both the earth energies (from the root) and sky energies (crown) into the heart. Bridging those mofos.

    What do you guys do to ground yourself? What rituals do you guys use for the root chakra (also sacral and solar plexus).

    Peace

     

  7. Posted

    6 minutes ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

    @Visionary Yes of course, I wasn't meaning to present them as a distinction or a be-all solution, Awakening can have transformative areas in many areas of life BUT is not guaranteed to. For those open to it, of course, pursue it. 

    However, it must be remembered often seeking can be difficult at times, and involves some hardships, so those who go for it need to be comitted to the work. 

    I did mention spiritual practices such as Meditation and as you mentioned Inquiry can also help. 

    But, most of my friends in real life would not be open-minded enough for duality, they may meditate to help reduce their anxiety, but are also opening themselves up to truth without even knowing it if you get me? PD also tends to eventually lead to some form of spirituality of spiritual practice, yes there is, in the end, no difference. 

    However, if we can improve our diets post-awakening, why not also do that pre awakening? 

    Everyone is unique and has their own path and what is ideal for them, won't be ideal for me or you. It's not a one size fits all approach ever. 

    Integration is incredibly key, especially post-awakening, Rupert Spira speaks of how the awakening is only really the first step, it's then how we live this understanding in all areas of life where the fun really starts. 

    Aye bruv, we're on the same page. I just hope that the threshold for practices like non duality will be lowered substantially for people who still have a closed mind. For example by stop making it an own niche, filtering out cultural stuff etc. 

    Love the Rupert part.

    Cheers.

  8. Posted

    25 minutes ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

    You don't have to give up work to do this work at all, you'll likely have to evolve it though, especially if you work for a corrupt company or a company that inadvertently doesn't help people. 

    Anyways, a large % of the population simply aren't ready for this and would benefit more from a form of Therapy/ Personal Development. 

    The average person these days is a wage slave, overweight, has shitty relationships/ people skills, often have subtle or not so subtle addictions (alcohol, porn, phone, etc) very little knowledge on essential areas like Health, Business etc so a lot of other areas of study would be far more beneficial for their development than non-duality, in fact a LOT of people try to jump the gun on this stuff and try to fly before they can even stand up. 

    A lot of issues can be dealt with by simply getting the 'basics' sorted out.

    Also, many people due to poor lifestyle and other factors have many mental problems such as depression and anxiety, a lot of these imo should be either dealt with prior to Non-Duality work sometimes even including meditation, breathwork etc or be dealt with as part of the spiritual work as they can often hinder progress. 

    However, that being said, some of the work can be far easier post awakening, such as dealing with your shadow without an I-thought is much easier and their is much less resistance, so it's a double edged sword and quite nuanced. 

    However, a LOT of people would benefit from more standard PD work, cleaning up their diet, a healthy exercise routine, developing people skills/ relationships, finding hobbies, developing their careers/ business/ LP and all the rest before jumping into Non-Duality and Awakening. 

    If you're overweight with health issues pre awakening, there's a good chance you'll be overweight with health issues post awakening unless you take the required steps to fix them. 

    I think the distinction as presented here is very arbitrary. Truth and Love are actually perfectly fit to be integrated in all those areas of ones life. Awakening for example lead to such an increase in body awareness for me that it automatically shifted me to a healthy diet. It's important to make distinction between the self-actualization and enlightenment path. But in the end its all about integration. There was never any difference in the end. I agree that for some it might be better to solely focus on PD, because thats as far as they'll get. But a large percentage would also benefit from the enlightenment path without even "coming near enlightenment". Don't underestimate the benefits of brutal self-honesty and self-understanding/acceptance which we can get from contemplation and self-enquiry. 

     

  9. Posted · Edited by Visionary

    11 minutes ago, Tanz said:

    The world does not necessarily need more enlightened people, just people with enough awareness to make an impact on the world.  All of the teaches are out there to get you on the path, it's up to each and every one of us to take personal action. Its better to master one trait and make a difference than become a master of the cosmos without having done anything in the world.    

    Lmfao. And what is impact exactly? What laws govern impact? Are you on an enlightenment path yourself? Have you ever healed a buncha karma and seen how you can uplift your environment with that? Can you also understand that there are a lot of people who want to be superheroes and become toxicly so? It's no that simple my friend. 

    "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"

    Edit: also how would you know what the world needs? I'm sure there are 8 billion different opinions on what the world needs. What is enough awareness? 

  10. Posted · Edited by Visionary

    1 hour ago, ttm said:

    Ok, I see you avoid the question, I also understand why you do so. This was interesting nevertheless. Thank you for answering though, it’s awesome that you take part on the dialogue!

    And because it seems that people read a lot of things in my posts that aren’t there I want to emphasize that I’m not disrespecting you in general, in fact you are very big contributor to things that lead me to where I am now (regarding freedom from suffering and understanding reality) and I’m very grateful for your work! It’s still interesting to see how even in that ”stage” there can easily be that kind of stuff going on.

     

    I think you will be amazed when you realize how much egotistic stuff can be hidden in that kind of wording and rationalizing.  The fact you are using words ”my doubts” sounds to me like you are adding quite a few things to what I was saying. Or maybe I understand the word ”doubt” differently than you, but I was asking thoughts regarding something I noticed. Nevertheless you seem to concentrate on the question whether or not the statement (word love is essential) is factual. This has nothing to do with my actual question, although it is interesting sidepoint to think about. But still, no one really answered my comments about that, so maybe it wasn’t that interesting..

    I actually did not focus on it. I presented it as an option, because its still unclear to me what you're after. What is it you want to know my friend? Explain clearly without giving us the room to apparently project our own stuff on your thought streams. It seems everyone is twisting and misinterpreting your words. Which is hilarious. What I mean by that is yours to project on.

  11. Posted

    8 hours ago, ttm said:

    OK. Could you elaborate on what made you think that I thought that become conscious would mean becoming less discerning? I can’t understand how my messages could even be interpreted like that. 

    And for clarification, by ”that’s very needed message” you mean that you also think that a teachers that don’t speak about love have incomplete teachings?

    Yes, I also think that. And with thinking that,  I am discerning, just like Leo. Your doubts were: Leo might be coming from ego with that statement. So it's quite easy to understand why I thought this way. Unless you were refering to love being something egoic. Which seems stupendous to me. It's not that hard my friend.

  13. Posted

    2 hours ago, ttm said:

    In some point Leo said something along the line ”if teacher doesn’t talk about love, his teachings are incomplete”. That sounded very much as coming from ego, ”finally I’m sure that my teachings are better than”. I suspect that this wasn’t a generic notion, but that Leo had a specific teacher who doesn’t talk about love in mind there..

    Thoughts?

    It's actually a very needed message in this niche. You think becoming conscious is equal to becoming less discerning?

  16. Posted

    7 hours ago, OmniYoga said:

    @Girzo that is totally different paradigm
    1. science truth
    the truth is truth objectively - regardless of YOU - your beliefs etc 
    therefore you have replicable RESULTS in objective reality,

    the gravity works 100 times per 100 times - there is no question about it, whether you like it or not

    can you escape it ? no 
    it will affect you regardless of everything

    2. spiritual truth - wtf even is that ?
    does enlightenment works 100/100? - obviously not
    how many people got enlightenment? less than 1% ?
    is replicable ? no
    will everyone will be enlightenment? no

    can you live without enlightenment and don't bother about is - absolutely YES
    can you escape it? no :D if we assume that death is an enlightenment t haha, but what is life then?
    (a joke in your evolution?  :D ) 

     

    Too much to even begin lmao. But ok, you think scientitic truth has always been there? You think they can never change? You think we'll never reach a point where we'll see our fallacies towards gravity? For fucks sake.

  17. Posted

    I think Christ symbolizes lotsa things. Its very possible for people to be incredibly connected to something that symbolizes a holy feeling that resides in them. Especially as a child one is exceptionally open to a variety of frequencies. So it can represent holiness. 

    And of course: rebirth, humanness and transcendence integrated in a person, discernment, compassion etc.

  20. Posted

    4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    If you become conscious enough you can see that pain itself is a self-bias. There is no reason why pain is worse than pleasure. This preference is a self-bias and distortion of truth.

    But that requires some crazy levels of consciousness outside the ability of most people. Don't even dream of it unless you are a full-time monk.

    Made me sick to my stomach only imagining it lmao

  23. Posted · Edited by Visionary

    1 hour ago, 4201 said:

    There's no time to Now, this is not what I meant, I apologize if it wasn't clear. What I mean is that right now, you can be aware of all of your past experiences and memories (rather than being stuck in a story composed of them). They are part of your Now, you can be aware of them right now even if they aren't happening right now. 

    I see you brother. The thing is, you think I/ownership is something take makes the Now possible. The Now is actually something that makes "mine" possible. The Now owns me. It is me. And "I" spring from it. Like in deep sleep. There is no "you". But the Now is there. What was there before you were born? How can your life be seperated by "nothing"? It should be something to be seperated by. How else can there be separation. Timelesness = no me.

  25. Posted

    23 minutes ago, purerogue said:

    Nice video, but it did leave me wanting to disagree , or rather not completely agree with some of his statements.

    Like animals being unconscious, because they can't see good from bad, they do not have shame and so on, from my experience they do have capacity for all of it, they just do not have intellectual capabilities that of nowadays human, if we would rise him up on island without teaching anything , no language , no nothing, he would be not much different from regular animal. 

    His explanation of evil was not bad and nice to stretch your mind,but  I think it lacked nuances that needs to be explored.

    You make action with benevolent intention, but other side might not see it as evil, or action might do no evil, at the same time you can do things you think are right, but have horrendous impact on person and realize how horrible  thing you did actually was even though there was no intention at the start.

    So who is evil at the end, person who for some reason wants to harm someone, or someone who believes that he is doing right thing , but does more damage, like believing that doing certain things will bring you closer to God, or that people should do this or that, pushing it on others, his children, physically , or mentally, in form of reforms ? 

    Indeed, defining good vs bad is inherently survival. Plus animals know what love is. There is not a living creature that does not operate on Love. Survival is an aspect of Love.