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Haha, thanks, an overactive mind/imagination is fueling some of this for sure ?. May have a touch of the ADD, they say that makes it difficult to maintain long term relationships too.

Yup… hence why if everyone was awakened strict monogamy as the only valid thing there is doesn’t make as much sense, but collectively we are still too in the ego to see this. But even if mass awakening doesn’t happen anytime soon we can move towards more tolerance for alternative ways of being. Gay rights didn’t just happen because everyone was awakened. An orientation towards individuality already can move a lot towards tolerance.

@Raptorsin7 Haha putting me on the spot . That is actually such a tough question for me when it may seem like a no-brainer to most.. No one's gonna like my answer probably but my ideal is to have multiple long term lovers who are allowed to come and go in my life, whether just in my head or manifested in form (who are also allowed to have other lovers that is). Will it happen? I have no idea and not much hope with this currently (except in my head). I find it very hard to focus just on one person for a long period of time - and I want to be honest about that. I know there's more than one "soulmates" for me and they're all unique in their own ways that I appreciate very much (already has been the case..), and I long to connect with them all from time to time in whatever form (again we're talking hypothetical rather than what is 'realistic'). So the way I see it I will either be serial monogamist or polyam as a result unless some miracle happens, which I suppose is also possible. I guess limited data doesn't help either maybe I just haven't found someone I could be in such attunement with that I'd be okay letting go of others. I think because of the degree of awareness of what goes on in myself internally, that makes this question tough to answer. On the one hand, I would love to experience what you describe, on the other hand, I really don't know how that would turn out "in the long run". Whatever happens is good and I prefer to just go with the flow mostly. I know I am just looking for "myself" and "home" (ie, God) through these 'lovers' and I happen to take great joy in the journey of finding and loving "myself".

God you're such a tease about it. Music composition/songwriting. And possibly performance I'm not sure yet on that.

You are not ugly. Every wild flower is beautiful in their own ways. We may still prefer one over the other for ourselves but they're all beautiful. And you existing here is a miracle.

What does the highest love call for? And I mean the highest love that includes "yourself".

Not "everyone" on the forum is awake...for one. The other thing is you choose to participate in the dream again because well... What else is there to do? Same thing with socializing/having sex, God is just masturbating, but it wants to enjoy itself through the differentiation.

Things like attempting to open up an existing relationship, leaving the existing relationship to explore on their own, do/say nothing because of fear and continue living a sub-optimal life that is not serving them well.

Good for you for reaching that point and allowing yourself to be receptive to the limitations and what comes after that! Yes, serious questioning requires radical 'letting-go'-ness to re-examine things, which is more of a 'feminine trait', so a combination of the 'masculine' where it wants to figure things out/make sense of reality and the 'letting-go' of the feminine makes for a pretty holistic approach!

@bejapuskas I am learning so many words and terminologies from you this is great stuff! Strict monogamy "for life" is an attempt at the permanence of something deemed beautiful and divine. However, this is an illusion as the divine is impermanent and constantly shapeshifting. Most people realize this at some point in their life and then have to make a decision about it. Some never change their views and still think permanence is attainable some try to go beyond it and begin the questioning.

That's awesome and pretty cool to hear!! Oh yeah, a more masculine woman outwardly can totally be feminine in a romantic situation, especially if she's aware of this in herself. Most people just kind of take someone at their face value and don't bother digging deeper or get intimidated.. :)! It's possible to quickly evolve I think with determination to do so at all cost (like the willingness to accept that your life might just 'turn upside down' after the fact haha), most are just not interested in this kind of rapid development, they want their reality reflected rather than trying to move beyond it continually to arrive at the truths. But like you say it's all creation.

You missed one. Getting shamed for having many sexual partners. It isn't as bad in the past but the social stigma still exists in various places. Yes funny thing too that point fuels the first two points. I find lots of people justify #1 & 2 if someone is non-monogamous.

@Razard86 Great post! Love the point about us having both the Masculine and Feminine. I take so much joy from being able to embody both depending on what the situation calls for at any given time! I wish people could experience the joy I experience just by letting go of the need to latch onto one way of being and experiment more with life. There's such abundance and literal infinite ways to be (within the limitations of your current form). And I love experiencing/encountering masculine energy when it is expressed beautifully out there, it's literally irresistable.

That's a very holistic way of putting it! Totally dig what you're saying here. The trick is how we can evolve collectively to a point where all the ways of self-expression in our love life can be respected. Not dissimilar to the discussion of if homosexuality is a valid form of way of being not long ago, but just seems much larger because it would require a larger % of people involved as opposed to a minority.

I am saying you were not interested to discuss non-monogamy in the first place, nowhere have you stated any points of your own regarding why you favor monogamy. Instead you're just engaged in demonization and judgement of something you don't agree with/understand, and projecting a bunch of stuff claiming to know what I am and how I think. I don't engage with this because it's not about what was being said in the first place. I am still responding simply because I do not give in to bullies attempting to silence my voice.

That's not what you are doing. You started by name-calling like "satan" and directing a bunch of labels at me for expressing myself genuinely, with the intention of shutting me up. Why not take a look at how others have been expressing differing opinions?

How do you know I am not? I am not on a mission other than embodying the truths I experience. There's not much else "to do" and I have no goal. Speaking up by responding to the initial poster's question and later posts from others is part of how I want to live my life, expressing myself genuinely right now on this forum despite having to deal with bullies like yourself is how I want to live my life. You are attempting to stop me from living my life instead of just minding yours. You don't have to like what I say and you're welcome to express differring opinions, and I have repeatedly said I respect differring opinions. Instead you are following my posts constantly and resorting to labels and names. This is a space for people to be genuine and truthful and I hope it keeps being that way.

Just the opposite, my intention is to liberate and relieve people from what's keeping them from experiencing more joy/love/abundance, to whom it resonates with. I respect yours and anyone else's agency in their life and how you wish to live/be, it is all part of creation. You cannot understand what I'm saying because you don't have the direct experience I refer to so you choose to demonize and throw a bunch of labels around for what you cannot yet understand so that it is out of mind and out of sight.

I relate with all your points stated. It's a complex issue that involves much more than just 'overcoming' the interpersonal aspects too (survival element I sense is a big reason of why people continue to choose a more restricted form of love and relating). Like we don't currently have a sure way of raising children collectively that catches those that fall behind (ie, single moms), this means women are more prone to feeling this fear of being left to deal with the consequences - this fear drives people to be very possessive/competitive. I think women are more the driving force behind strict monogamy and it's because of the lack of support for women that is holding people back from considering other forms of relationships. People might rather stay with what they know also than venture out into the unfamiliar, or go through the process of deconstruction/questioning.

Yes you get it , the dissolution of a strong sense of seperation between people/groups. Long way to go but I have faith. Yeah you get it, most of us are still mainly driven by fear and the mindset of 'acquiring' things which some think of their partner and children as a form of acquiring and therefore don't want to deal with 'losing' such acquisitions. One thing that is probably required for this to happen is much more healing of generational trauma to get ourselves to be as complete/whole of beings as we can, self-actualizing, and have an economic system that secures the basic necessities for all of us. I just see the potential for more happiness, more truth, more love, and more joy. Because not everyone fits in the same shoes and I'm certainly not alone in this, have you considered people are just too afraid to even talk about this stuff because it always gets immediately shut down? Someone has to start the process of advocating.

@Spence94 You create the world you want to see. Right now people are not at the place where they want what I describe and that's fine I don't expect to see this in my life-time, it's more of a vision I would like to see and feels good to see so I put it out there sometimes, it's like my dreamboard. I am not saying "open relationships" should be the norm, I am saying that they should be part of the "norm". I want people to be how they want to be that's most true to them (eg, so they can def still be monogamous) and an environment conducive to individuality and true "self-expression". What is true now is that lots and lots of people (I'm not talking about those that are happily together though I recognize this is subjective what happiness is) operate on fear of being alone/abandonment/financial deprivation/inadequacy to name a few to stay in their restrictive 'monogamous relationships' even though some clearly want to express/experience love outside as well and the current environment is very limited/not-accepting for this kind of way of being. Or they could be happily together but still desire to be with others, there are just so many possibilities that are not part of the narrative right now.

Both are allowed to. I'm referring to a different way of living/relating than what we have at this point in time - for society as a whole to change where men and women are allowed freedom to be themselves and communicate their desires/wishes and be the responsible and sole agents of their lives without shame/guilt - which can mean anything, that loving someone is not conditional upon seeing someone everyday/week, living together or apart, how many partners you are 'in love with' at a given time.

Sometimes in your life, you may not want to be in a monogamous situation and just want to have some fun. Whereas most people that's not where their minds are at and it becomes this suffocating thing when you just want to have a good time in the moment. Men are often pretty good with just having some fun and not something too serious/long term, but they don't allow women to do the same when a woman wants that, so it is a real struggle. Maybe I just need to hit Vegas soon rofl.

Finding men who are okay with loving multiple women if it happened to them.

Maybe it's a reminder of being a bit lonely? And also if you feel more ashamed of it as opposed to taking joy and pleasure. That's mostly conditioning. Also orgasms can in my experience induce an opening experience which can reveal the inner emotions/feelings that have been bottled up and away from your everyday consciousness - similar to some psychedelics in that. But it sounds like you are pointing mostly to guilt.