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@Loreena I think it would do you some good to talk about why you have a pessimistic future outlook. I know it's hard, but after some convo, you feel like it is much smaller and some optimism leads to some changes and next thing you know, good shit is happening.

@Martin123 DUDE! Shit is going crazy around me already and I am totally with you on the 5 years good shit is unfolding intuition. The wake up is real. All that shit on your list, pollution etc. It's always been going on. Now we have the internet and smart phones so awareness of it is a little intense right now, people are waking up, meditating, not staring at walls, etc. It's gonna get good. I'm callin it right here and now...3 years from now Leo does a video about bliss controlling and containment.

Both of my grandma's and my mom. Oprah

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Ya. Fo sho. Took me around 3 years to really change that. You? Also, it's pretty weird how that works isn't it? The rejection of the solution. So much suffering and procrastination when all roads lead to the same place. We are where we are I guess.

@Venus If you want to speed it up, it may be a little painful, but just list everything you believe in right here. If a belief feels good, acknowledge it is a belief that is giving you energy / helping you, and take it off the list. Then we can all pretend we're psychotherapists and pick apart what remains on the list. Give me a few minutes on the popcorn first. Thanks.

When you're doing the laborious work, instead, think about what you just said. Whatever it is you want in your future, you're doing it. Nothing can be laborious if you are building your future, or your dream.

@Loreena I can't find that post...had fit or fitness in it?

@Loreena "Pain is stubbing your toe. Suffering is mental; what if I stub my toe again? OMG What if people I love stub their toe? What if my toe becomes infected? What if I have to have my leg amputated??? Should I start a group against stubbing toes?????"

@PureExp Thank you!!!!

@Loreena yes. It works.

@Loreena That list you posted, is how I, at my 'age', am living like a twenty year old. I assume Leo does that list, more or less, and this is where he gets all the energy from.

That's one of the most beautiful things I've ever read. Thank you so much. How to keep it with you? Print copies. Hang em. Keep one in every pocket. Just for a while. Eventually you'll be free of those beliefs. Butterflies have no need for pockets. Love is all there is.

This is only my 'story'. Hope it helps you. I was lost in manic depression about 20 some years ago. I tried meds, therapy, etc. Nothing helped. I gave up and tucked myself away. I learned a bunch of science that led me to an understanding of the uncertainty principle. Then it popped. I just got it all of a sudden. That I am making the choice right now. I've been making the choices ever since. I choose to excercise and meditate and eat healthy every day. I choose to find truth in 'if you want to experience love, simply give it'. I've never been back and I'll never choose to go back, now that I am choosing. What Dreams May Come.

Learning brings clarity. Pain is inescapable but suffering is illusory.

@Loreena People. Thoughts disconnection my expectations What about you Loreena?

Remember when I misunderstood your post about rituals?

A statistical average of anything can be determined. I don't see where the rest is applicable. What is it that prevents you from making a choice? A belief that determined systems produce only determined outcomes...? Larger scale systems combine and produce random unpredictable results. If you're the observer and physics is happening in consciousness, what is it that prevents us from making choices or changing anything? Why then don't we have any influence or choice (free will)? Are you saying the brain is a passive causal actor of this and the mind does not interact with the brain? No one or no One? Behind everything, do you hold that there is nothing, or everything, or that both are one in the same? It seems to me that what you refer to as unknowable is that all of our experience comes from nothing, as I understand it, all of our experience comes from everything and is something specific collapsed. Also, a choice can not just 'happen', even simply by definition of the word choice. . There is no one because everyone is the One, is very different from 'there is nothing'. Reduction to 'Nothing' is easy and requires no steps, but doesn't actually resolve anything. Yes, it is a way of understanding. The more we learn the more we understand. Please don't confuse understanding and being. Also, you're missing the nature of the loop / expansion. I'm not projecting, I am the Oneness. Decision making, like everything, is of the Oneness, is not seperate. I'm not asking why it can't be done, I'm asking you why you can't do it. You're picking and switching from the oneness perspective to the human perspective and missing that you are the whole thing. How can anything come from nothing - because it's not nothing, it's everything. The observation is specific. We can't observe it all at the same time because we are the all, not collapsed yet to be observed. You're making a reference to unknowable but you previously said ALL knowledge falls at your feet. Fundamental to everything you're saying, is that you are not nothing, you are everything. How do you reconcile these theories? Purpose i assigned by you. You are the chooser This is he uncertainty principle. If you have not yet made a choice, there is no certainty. I hope this helps you to choose purpose in your life. Thank you again for the convo! Much appreciated!

We're never defining someone else, but we're always defining ourselves.

@Psychonaut That would be true about Jews, not Christians. There is no enlightened Christian.

@PureExp The observable determinism from atomic up, and underlying quantum state of superposition and uncertainty that is the fabric of all the observable matter, knowing that yourself as an observer are a part of the loop. Or that given, in the end, it is all mind, why can't you use your mind to make a choice, let alone make the notorious 'instant flying car"? Even assuming that another observer would perceive you as not having made any choice and doing what was inevitable. Your mind is, as everything is, made of the underlying superposition, which is everything in a state of everything. String theory presupposed that space time is a back drop thus gravitational waves, but relativity incorporates space time and predicted gravitational waves. So is string theory a worthwhile pursuit or a false direction? Knowing that you are the everything, the oneness, and that the oneness can't make a simple decision? Or another way of saying it, how did something come from everything if everything can't produce anything? Thanks for talking to me about this stuff. I acknowledge most people get annoyed with it. Also, your website is fantastic. I've been perusing and love it! Also, seperate question, got anything on the laws? Where did they come from? Have you found meaning or purpose for the laws personally?

Religion brings the ups of feeling grateful and praying for change in things we don't understand, "Give it to God" - and the downs of the deeper issues of the heaven hell complex, knowing we could learn and do something about the things we don't understand, and ultimately the judgment complex. Religion requires that one accepts the imaginary third party measuring stick of morals (God as a man type thinker) and that one assumes the 'known' repercussions of not following God's word. So Christians may seem easier going, lighter, but deeper within they have some serious belief issues that are preventing them from living more fully. A weird thing I've noticed...if you ask a Christian person if they are Christian, they will say yes with a tone of "of course I'm a good person". But if you ask them if they believe in heaven and hell, that all the Muslims, Buddhists, etc are going to spend eternity in hell, they start to waiver. Where I live, if you ask them if they are homophobic, they say " well, I know what the church says but I don't think it's wrong to be gay". If you ask them if they treat their body as the temple, if they judge people, etc etc, they start to see that they don't really agree with what it actually means to biblically be a Christian. The real interesting thing, imo, is when you ask a Christian "What does it mean to be a Christian", they typically answer "to accept Jesus as your lord and savior". If you ask, savior for what, save you from what? They answer "eternal damnation". If you say "The same person / people who told you there is a hell, if you want to avoid that hell you must do / think as we say, and that is the only way" they do start to question the whole complex.

Can you help me understand how you resolve the world reality being a simulation, and the butterfly effect? Or do you not resolve things, like, just skip it?

@Garuda A certain shopkeeper sent his son to learn about the secret of happiness from the wisest man in the world. The lad wandered through the desert for forty days, and finally came upon a beautiful castle, high atop a mountain. It was there that the wise man lived. Rather than finding a saintly man though, our hero, on entering the main room of the castle, saw a hive of activity: tradesmen came and went, people were conversing in the corners, a small orchestra was playing soft music, and there was a table covered with platters of the most delicious food in that part of the world. The wise man conversed with everyone, and the boy had to wait for two hours before it was his turn to be given the man’s attention. The wise man listened attentively to the boy’s explanation of why he had come, but told him that he didn’t time just then to explain the secret of happiness. He suggested that the boy look around the palace and return in two hours. “Meanwhile I want to ask you do do something,” said the wise man, handing the boy a teaspoon that held two drops of oil. ‘As you wander around, carry this spoon with you without allowing the oil to spill.” The boy began climbing and descending the many stairways of the palace, keeping his eyes fixed on the spoon. After two hours, he returned to the room where the wise man was. “Well,” asked the wise man, “did you see the Persian tapestries that are hanging in my dining hall? Did you see the garden that it took the master gardener ten years to create? Did you notice the beautiful parchments in my library?” The boy was embarrassed, and confessed that he had observed nothing. His only concern had been not to spill the oil that the wise man had entrusted to him. “Then go back and observe the marvels of my world,” said the wise man. Relieved, the boy picked up the spoon and returned to his exploration of the palace, this time observing all of the works of art on the ceilings and the walls. He saw the gardens, the mountains all around him, the beauty of the flowers, and the tasted with which everything had been selected. Upon returning to the wise man, he related in detail everything he had seen. “But where are the drops of oil I entrusted to you?” asked the wise man. Looking down at the spoon he held, the boy saw that the oil was gone. “Well, there is only one piece of advice I can give you.” said the wisest of wise men. “The secret of happiness is to see all the marvels of the world, and never to forget the drops of oil on the spoon” – The Alchemist by Paulo Coelho

Any other factors come to mind at all? That could be a variable in this maybe? ?