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@Shanmugam No worries. Something I said offended you? Was it the quote? I feel like you’re askin me to dance but the music won’t start for some reason.

@Shanmugam yes. Where ya headed with this cat & mouse stuff?

@Charlotte Good for you!

I think you might have had a typo on the first question? You asked how long it’d been since I heard about it. The first time, probably 26 years ago, roughly.

@Shanmugam Not sure what you mean by heard about. There are conversations on the forum about it, that I’ve seen today.

@Shanmugam You are asking yourself about nonduality.

@Shanmugam ok. Great talkin with ya.

@Shanmugam Did you ever have the experience of being with your gurus in you? Revealing they are you, always were?

@Shanmugam Thank you for that. Man, he had a way with beauty. Here’s another timely favorite of mine... “Experience life in all possible ways -- good-bad, bitter-sweet, dark-light, summer-winter. Experience all the dualities. Don't be afraid of experience, because the more experience you have, the more mature you become.” ― Osho

I always like this Sahdguru quote... ”The whole world is lying to themselves and everyone else about God”.

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@Faceless What is meant by “you” is not at all the same for all the people (maya) you see. The range of realizations is so vast, it can’t be pigeonholed like you state. All that does is keep you pigeonholed, because all that you could reference, is in reality, also you. If all you have is a hammer, you call everything a nail. That is the signifance of self inquiry. To identify with thoughts, using them to claim one can’t identify with thoughts, is still identifying with thoughts. Awareness, being, very different. Understanding conflation, and radical open mindedness, along with giving up what you’ve come to know, can set you free. Don’t take, or not take my word for it. Experience this for yourself. Then you’ll see. The difference of experiencing some thing and evoking memories of the experience, and experiencing what you actually are, and therefore never being the same again, are worlds apart. It is hard not to be fooled though, because no communication actually can communicate the actual truth, so it leaves it wide open to all kinds of assumptions, such as the assumption that another is believing in a belief. The only way to know, is direct experience of what you are in reality, not what you deduce you are in the illusion. What you keep referring to as investigation, is actually thinking. That won’t do. You’d have to be willing to notice, your conversations end with implicating others ‘investigate’. This is the way to transcend conceptualization, and embody truth. You’d have to go beyond that “ending” a few more billion miles. You could take something as simple as having a kid. Or would you claim the experience of having a kid, was nothing more than what you already believed and already knew? What about sex? Did the experience of sex change anything, or was it exactly what you already knew and believed?

No worries at all man. You’re wise to seek. Some live a life misunderstood, knowing the self only upon physical death. Nothing wrong with either in my book. What one is up against, is all evidence to the contrary of what is actually true.

@Saumaya if you do, write it down and email my wife.

@Saumaya We are just love learning about love. There’s room. ❤️ Nobody’s awakening story is going to start with “After reading a post on the internet....”.

@alyra Fear is illusionary, it is not helpful for anything.

@Sukhpaal yeah. Not only death of the personal physical, but there is no more physical, as there never was to begin with. Only I could trick I in such a manor. Freakin hilarious.

@Saumaya I know man. Just pointing to love with love. Thanks again for sharing!!!! ❤️

It appears that way to you, because you have not experieced being. There is no thinking, no logic, in being. The absolute, is only the absolute. There is no thinking there, no logic. It defies any logic. It reveals what you are, and what logic is. Imagine, as an adult, discovering there is a Santa clause. There’s no analogy in actuality for it, but, it is ultra positive any way you slice it. If you’ve experienced it, then you know, if you haven’t - look forward to it! Seek it!!!

The assumption is that one is ‘back on the planet’. There’s no planet. It’s illusion, maya. You die. You don’t experience what you actually are, and then go back to what you were. It’s hard, kinda not even possible, to remember The Who that you thought you were. I do understand all that you’re saying, and direct experience has no substitute, because the subject at hand, is you.

@Saumaya That’s only a logical claim to someone who has not actually experience the absolute. The absolute is not relative, the logic is relative. The absolute is infinite love. Logic is, well, just maya.

@Scholar The mind is maya, absolute is absolute (no mind). Only direct experience reveals this, because, again, it is too good to be true, it does not “fit” into logic. It is literally what you are, light years before a person who uses logic.

You can certainly be without logic, as it is maya.

That is of course for you to say, I can only attest to you that I do not misunderstand your point, and you have not been to the moon. The moon is not a place, that could be remembered. The moon (absolute, God) is you, and you are never the person again, who would “remember”. But this can not be understood, if you are still the person, logic is the hammer.