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@LiakosN I love that silence. Great report. Heed the advice about respecting the shrooms / trips. I trust you learned that. Sounds like you have one hell of an understanding mom (and dad not sure). Reminds me of a time a while back I tripped with a friend. I learned A LOT. He went into One / Nonduality full on, but had no practices, no theory - no foundation for it. So, he walked right out the front door 1 hour into a 5 hr trip. In his trip, his friends had all the houses in the nieghborhood build and filled with actors, setting up some kind of game of a lifetime, all just for him. He walked to houses talking to people fully believing they were actors. So they’d be like “uh, is there something I can help you with? Do you want me to call the police or EMS for you or something”? And he’d say (thinking they’re actors in this game just for him) “i don’t know, do you think you should call the police, or EMS”? He enjoyed the shit out of this “game for him” for hours, thinking each person he met was planned, and he should let them just go through their “lines” of the “play”. So the police came, and asked him the typical questions. He was really upfront about being on shrooms, yet perceived the police as actors within the game for him. They said he had done nothing illegal (lucky / the mystic of some trips) but they can’t let him keep walking through the neighborhood, and he could spend the night in a cell at the police station (no charges) or they could take him to the hospital. In “game mode” he says to the officer, “what do you think I should do”? Luckily, the cop suggests the hospital. So he gets checked in (still completely thinking this is part of the big game for him with some ultimate prize at the end) and they start an IV to begin flushing the psylicibin out of his system. While getting the IV, which of course is part of the game to him, he’s asking the nurse what she thinks he should do next. She suggests calling someone to pick him up. Shrooming, he did not take his phone with him, and can not remember name or phone numbers. Then he remembers one phone number. It is for a sales rep he calls often at work. He remembers this number because he manually dials it on a regular phone at work. So he calls the sales rep, who literally lives next to the hospital, and was a long time seeker and had taken many a trip. What are the chances right?! Dude picks him up at the hospital, takes him to dudes house, they watch some tv together. After about an hour (this is 5 hrs into the trip) he remembers my phone number and calls me. Next morning we picked him up at dude’s house. Counted our blessings, and laughed, a lot. Like I said, learned a lot.

@Shakazulu Look at this thread and replace any they’s and we’s with the perspective that it is all you. I’m loving your sense of humor btw.

@Ether What @Faceless said is solid advice. Awareness is curative. What are your practices like, if any? (Meditation, healthy eating, yoga, exercise, nature walks, reading, learning, etc)

I read this. The main thing is you don’t realize the illusion. The whole is not the whole being, the whole is illusion, being is Being. The psychology of being at peace is not being at peace, and being at peace is not Being without identity. These are experiential. You sound young, if you realize your primary focus is being right, and transcend that with open mindedness, I am confident you’ll experience these things. There isn’t more to say until you understand what I already said. You are wrong about thinking & knowledge when you speak of the whole. I could surely be wrong (in my understanding of where you’re at), but it appears to me you have an idea of whole as ‘all the knowledge’. The whole is illusion within Being, which all universes are contained in, and is experiential. Thinking, knowledge, etc, are within it....”it”, can not fit in thinking or knowledge, because thinking & knowledge are illusionary...the dream within the dreamer (being). Such as you can think about what you see (visually) , but can not see (visually)what you think.There is an order if one is to get to the Being alone. There is a difference between saying something that is wrong, and attempting to teach by meeting someone where they’re at. Wrong info is wrong info. Truth is experiential, not philisophical or psychological. Truth requires practices, open mindedness. I am happy for you that you have separated identity from thinking. That’s delicious. On an UNBELIEVABLY GOOD NOTE....there is much more than could fit in your current consciousness. I am not suggesting you should, or need to, explore it. All is well either way. If you think I am wrong, if I am wrong, all is well. Feel free to disregard entirely. Edit; forgot to answer your questions.... Yes I see. Yours too, that’s how I’m able to see these things about you. We are not the whole happening. “We” are illusionary happening within the Being, within you. By center, are you saying center as a word synonymous with self? Not sure what your meaning for center is. There is no action whatsoever in Truth. There is no thing to act or act upon. I am. I am.

@Ether In hopes of reaching you where you’re at....what are you looking forward to? Make list. Simple things, maybe traveling, more personal growth, starting a new practice, cutting something out of the diet, adding something in, developing deeper relationships with new friends, getting in better shape, spending time on a hobby, etc. Congrats on where you’re at, and getting through where you were. I know that place and it’s not an easy thing. Looking forward to things give a feeling of hopefulness. Once you’re feeling better (hopeful), pursue some deeper spirituality.

@How to be wise Being Is. Being just doesn’t fit in thought/brain/thinking, though it’s within/behind these things. Being is awareness. Being is aware of awareness. Then there’s what Being is aware of; thoughts, things, people, ego, etc (experiences, appearance) All of it in actuality is Being experiencing Being. I hear you, as in, where you’re at. Practices, healthy eating, love, psychadelics, reading, theory, letting go, - the vehicles vary but don’t change. Unconditional love for everything is a direct route. The trouble realizing, is, it’s unbelievable, unimaginable, unthinkable. For an ant to realize the goings on of your day, the ant would first need to realize it’s not an ant (consciousness work) to be able to access greater consciousness, so the actuality of you and your brain and your day can fit. Being is indescribable, so it’s experiential. Being, and aware all is being, while dreaming, is as sweet as I’ve known....so far.

The whole is what you are, the knowledge is earth / human level, illusory, meaningless stuff. This is why those who experience Being laugh about the realization that there is nothing to know. Once you actually know what you are, it is clear there is nothing to know. You can grasp the totality of the whole reality, you are it right now. The absolute is not captured by thought, it is what you actually are in reality. The “perceiver” (as you’ve used it) is not a fragment, it is the Being. You could experience this yourself. The absolute, as in only Being, is so far removed from thought, thinking, fragments, etc etc, using the term light years away doesn’t even begin to describe. It’s like light dimensions away (still fails to actually describe). It’s so far removed from your current understanding, that it actually, literally could not be communicated to you, which is painfully ironic because you are it now. You are suggesting people investigate themselves without understanding there is only you, and you are not conscious that it is you who desires to investigate yourself. Does that make sense to you? It seems you’ve got the disidentification with thought down solid man. Are you going to proceed into awareness, consciousness, or settle in the small pond? It is the most worthwhile investigation possible, but you’d have to let go of being “right”, and of “knowing”, otherwise there is no breakthrough. Forgive me if I am wrong, but my intuition tells me this level of seeing would serve you very well in a few of “life’s problems” you are encountering.

@How to be wise I don’t know what you’re seeing right now, but odds are, no, it’s not. In the sense, it appears as regular earth stuff, but is _________ (whatever word you’d like; God, superposition, nothing, etc) There is only a Being. That’s it. Also, really depends on what you’re meaning by ‘true’.

@Leo Gura puff puff give

@egoless Then that wasn’t it. No offense.

@How to be wise A dream / illusion / imagination. Time is part of the illusion.

I totally agree. I don’t recall saying one needs experience deeper states to be enlightened, just that there are deeper states - while Nahm is illusion, experience is infinite. The issue with the enlightenment claim is inherent. @Shanmugam Very interesting. Who’s this “Osho” guy? It is like the boy who goes and gets his dad when confronted by another boy. Wise dad though. @abrakamowse That is a top notch question. When you experience directly, the You, then that answer is clear. When you’ve seen to the absolute, the Being, then you’ve seen through all of yourself. Then, you have also seen through everyone else.

@mohdanas #metoo

@bigzbigi You can follow the writings of a guy from forever ago, or just eat a pig and see how you feel. This is how sales works sometimes. Moses was selling dogma. Pig dogma. Don’t take ‘the butcher’s’ word for anything.

@Andre Quinonez It’s relative. Monkey mind, diet, exercise, meditation, etc. It’s rest we need. One person could sleep 8 hours and wake unrested, another could sleep 5 hours and wake fully rested. Sadhguru (YouTube) is a great resource for this.

@BjarkeT Prioritize life over taste. Without junk food, taste buds change neuropathways, and a simple grape is the greatest tasting food in the universe. Paradoxical. Transcendable.

@Aimblack Open mind. Trip “plans”, as well as thoughts about what to expect, or what “you’ll” “experience” are in the dream. I understand you have not experienced outside of the dream yet. Excited for you! Please whip up a report to help our closed minded friends. They are invaluable. ❤️✌️

@electroBeam Had a trip once I was a dolphin and me and my friends passed around a puffer fish and tripped balls, pretty sure I’m the human now but can’t be sure.

@wakeel55 https://www.helpguide.org/articles/relationships-communication/anger-management.htm https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/adult-health/in-depth/anger-management/art-20045434 https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/friendship-20/201404/how-control-anger-seven-quick-tips Anger can not harm you, you are it. 20-25 is rough af. https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/17747-nonduality-meditations/#comment-181291

@KenDo This is over active thinking due to identification with thought. Meditation, every morning, and again in the afternoon helps to experience the ‘space’ between the awareness that you are, and the thinking. God is much more easily fooled than you imagine. Self inquire. Be aware of the thoughts and the processes / cycles running. Observe them. Detach from them. Here’s some resources. Godspeed! You Kendo it. Consider giving this movie a watch: The discovery of the territory is on you. But a map, we have.

I feel for ya. Rely on the practices. Nobody ‘has’ the truth. You are the truth. It’s the real-I-zation that some have and some don’t. The Truth is not relative. “Absolute” is getting dragged through the mud by amateurs lately. Careful. It is not helpful.

@mohdanas The theme is always self discovery, which is love. The main character of every movie, every story, ‘defeats’ the protagonist, the villain, etc, but that is not what is emotionally celebrated, what moves us - it’s their discovering of their self, that they could do ‘it’ - what they’re ‘made of’. Every human relates to this, as each is made of the same infinite love. So you courageously ventured vulnerably into this relationship, and discovered your love (self) more deeply. The misunderstanding (duality) was that this love you experienced came from her, as if she emailed it to you, or blew it in your ear or something. It did not come from her, it all transpired in You. It is still there, it will always be. The love in you is bottomless and ever-present. Ambition: She, possibly, does not have resistant thinking to success like you do. For some, the simple life is genuine, bliss, and utter peace - the way. For others, the simple life is not genuine, a denial of self, a failure into one’s own resistant thinking. This lack of self, lack of courage, and barrage of ego can ruin marriages, parent - child relationships, undermine financial success, etc, etc. There is no reason you can not discover the truth, self actualize, be wealthy, and live in love with the universe - unless of course, you think there is. Then you have resistance, self doubt - and the ego will invent a complete repeating cycle of justification to keep the life you desire at arm’s length. It will sacrifice everything, ever person, every relationship you hold dear, to support the false sense of “right”. Careful not to fall for any of that. You can have, do, be, achieve - anything, OR, you can be right. Just be sure you pick. Life goes by fast.

@Shanmugam Feels good doesn’t it? ?❤️ ? ?❤️

@Shanmugam Well? Can you?

@How to be wise The past does not exist, but neither does the present. Present is a relative term to past and future, present is a term that describes you. You, exist, and are nothingness, nonexistence. It is the formless appearance in form. Spacetime is a form. Light is a form. Etc. Quantum erasure is useful in opening this freedom.