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@zunnyman Possibly, but not certainly...if you have little foundation, such as financial self sufficiency, emotionally self sustained, ‘time on the cushion’, nondual theory & understanding, etc, then truth might be experienced with a ‘depersonalization’ lens or only “loss”. With a foundation, solo retreats alone in nature with practices and a trip...truth is not a “gain” at all, but the “loss” factor might not be an issue at all.

The opening of the third eye is not trivial or missable / questionable. The difference is in seeing what was unseen, knowing what was unknown. Relatively speaking, you become very aware you were seeing only a physical self and world prior to opening. Consider working from the root chakra upwards. In the sense, ‘first make a life worth waking up to’, the root, sacral, solar plexus, heart & throat chakras are foundational for the third eye and then crown. The Joy is the journey, enjoy. Psychadelics are helpful to get a glimpse ‘ahead of schedule’, so to speak.

@Jonty ❤️

@Arkandeus This impossible little storyline where infinite meets finite.

@Azrael I’ll be out of town then, but I’m up for it in the future. Enjoy the US.

@Thanatos13 Hold an object in your hand, and ask me what you’re holding.

@GodMonkey Ya. Much deeper. But to transcend it, you have to first directly experience it, and surrender the preferences of the a priori self to it.

@Ingit First I’d look for an ample circadian sleep schedule. Then I’d look at food. Those ime are 95% of “ups and downs.” Then there is falsity and the repetition of it, in the mind, to shine awareness on. This should feel like a joyous journey, and adventure. If it feels like “work”, double check your sleeping & eating habits. If those things aren’t already the case, the mind is in ‘fast forward’ thriving on repetition from conditioning. Slow it down with meditation every morning and again in the afternoon. Make a tiny change everyday in the direction of well being. You’ll feel great just knowing you are following the direction you are choosing, vs the bummer knowing what you want to change and not changing it. Exercise every morning speeds up the changes because you’ll get the feel good chemical cocktail every morning, so you’ll be feeling better, and a cheeseburger & fries, for example, is not nearly as relatively enticing when you’re already feeling good, as it can be when perceived as a “pick me up” relative to feeling low. A neat little practice on the food issue, is to use a calendar, and each day write “Food” (as in how you ate yesterday in terms of nutrition & quality) and give it a number, 1 - 10. Then write “vibration” (as in how you feel today) and give it a number 1 - 10. Over weeks, you can visually see the relationship between food and your energy level. This makes it clear cut and easy to see / understand, as it takes the always changing mood & perspective out of the mix. The difference between experiencing the world through a typical diet, and a healthy nutritious one, is impossible to communicate. It must be experienced.

@Jonty Yes. Not like it would seem from the current perspective though. Byron Katies app “The Work” (99 cents I think) takes outward circumstance and flips it to an understanding of the suffering on your behalf. It might shed light on things for you. It’s not going to ‘fix’, but rather offer a perspective of acceptance that nothing is ‘broken’. It accomplishes this in as little as 15 minutes. I am not suggesting it will change anything circumstantially, only that it will offer you a perspective in a unique and intimate way, which might help you in your situation. I have 3 kids. I would take all of their pain and or suffering right on the chin, in a heartbeat, if that were possible, and I know you would too, but that is just not the nature of pain & suffering. I wish it were sometimes, it might be easier. I feel for you and your family, and I hope there is more and more peace, love & understanding ahead for all of you. I’m gonna assume you’ve read up on this extensively, and sought outside help, and tried many things in terms of structuring/scheduling/rewarding, trying to identify the motivations / causations, etc, I hope you can keep finding some relief for yourself where and when you can, and that that gives you more and more wisdom & energy to be there for him. I can only imagine the difficulties you face. I also can only imagine how hard it would be for him, if he didn’t have you.

When you don’t have the question anymore.

@Shadowraix You can trust that the mind creates the duality (“constantly morphs data and hallucinations”) but trust is only required for the job of getting you to be radically open minded, and to inquire into yourself - then trust is no longer needed, as awareness can observe the mind directly, just like being aware of a tree. Awareness is the only “thing” that ever “observes” the “mind” or “thought” or “tree”. The overall is not looking for a needle in a haystack, it’s looking for hay in a haystack. It’s the biggest picture, the whole enchilada, it’s the obviousness & the entirety that is the “proof”, there is no thing which is not the proof. So a total flip of perspective is what’s needed. Something arising in your mind, is not needed, as that (thoughts), is more maya. Don’t “trust” information, data, etc - anything you “observe”, don’t “trust” that, it’s maya. Everything in “reality” can always be linguistically convincing & proven, and so can it’s opposite - because it simply boils down - to you. You already have the Truth. You are already it. Every thing, everyone, every object, every thought, every emotion, every reaction - each of these happen in the same place, at the same time, in You in Now. In YOUR awareness, right now. “My” writing is not taking place in your awareness, is it? What you are actually aware of, are pixels in front of you on a screen, which you are assigning whatever meaning, value and sense to. In appearance, it’s a message from someone else, in actuality, it’s you. Because the inherent nature of all that you experience, is Duality (One appearing as Two) ....each meets The Truth, or, You (Two is only an appearance, appearing in reality - One - You.) When each ‘thing’ in duality meets up with The Truth (You), relativity is experienced, by You, because you are not finite duality (appearance/illusion), you are infinite (reality). (Relativity): If it doesn’t feel good (a perspective you’re holding in the Now) - that is because it (the understanding / perspective) isn’t true. It’s falsity. Most of these are bad feeling thoughts which try to apply a finite tag to your Self; “I am this, I am that.” “I am this kind of person” “I don’t know how to do X” “I always struggle with X” “I will never have X” If it does feel good (a perspective you’re holding in the Now) - that is because it (the understanding / perspective) Is True. Even if your honest “What I am” is - “I have no freakin idea what I am” - The fact that it is true, that you are being honest, that understanding / perspective, is true for You (The Truth), so naturally, it feels good. Much much better than finite thoughts & words about/against the self (which is infinite in actuality) Falsity is Maya and it does not feel good. Feels worse the more we pursue it, ignoring our own relativity, our own emotional sensory system, if you will. Truth is the ‘What Is-ness’ of Now, because wherever you are, the Truth already Is. The term Nonduality points at not two. It is a pointer, like neti-neti, not that, not this, not two. It is limited to being a statement of what you are not, by the nature of someone else is saying it to you, because only you can realize what you are, and your being-ness is always Truth, which perspectives are always being ‘bounced off’ of, resulting in the experience of relativity.

@Juan Cruz Giusto Brilliant thread, much appreciated, thank you??

You side stepped the question. Fine by me. ? It might be a good inquiry though.

@DoubleYou Absolutely! It’s still ‘in play’ LMAO.

Everything changes. Nothing never changed at all. Everything is Nothing. “Experience” is linguistic, duality, communicational, like “I”, it’s not really a separation of any sort in actuality. If there is experience, there is other. WIthout ‘actuality of experience’, there’s only Hamilcar = Consciousness. It’s the classic Finkle is Einhorn, Einhorn is Finkle, situation. ?

@DoubleYou Dude, wife & I been laughin for an hour on “The Mushroom Secret”. Thanks!!!! Fantastic report btw!! ❤️

Because there is only experience of awareness creating dream. This other “thing”, is a thought, in the expereince, of awareness creating dream.

@DoubleYou Namaste ??

@Artaemis Thought, duality, an “I”, now “is the experiencer” of the pain - the “I” who imposes a desired scenario, simultaneously screening what is now. Pain is a sensation in awareness, the “I” story added is suffering (denying what is / “out of the now, or actuality of the ‘situation’” lol.

@Tom T Awesome. @Serotoninluv Awesome. @Leo Gura Awesome. Infinite thank you’s ?? @Rinne Awesome. @Joseph Maynor Awesome. @thehero Awesome.

Some more to consider...there are people born unable to feel any pain, and people born dispositioned to deriving pleasure from giving or receiving pain, and people born predispositioned to achieving sexual satisfaction through giving or receiving pain. Someone could certainly be born with a more typical pain sesitivity level who awakens to such a degree as to entirely transcend it, but you can’t know if they did this, or were born that way, or if it developed at a certain age on it’s own accord, or if they even actually understand with clarity how they themselves arrived there, or if they are being honest in their communication to you about it, albeit convincing as maya can be, or are not. In a sense, the depth of maya itself has the potential to cross over into being one’s own catalyst of long term pain and or suffering, without suspect. I believe it’s transcendable with practices, but then there’s also a nonacceptance of what is to contend with, which prior to, there was nothing to contend with.

@Scholar In the fragmented or duality / thinking perspective, saying all suffering is self imposed via false understanding is perceived at best as stoic, but typically of course as insensitive, inappropriate, insulting, or even psychopathic, but from the nondual perspective, there is no suffering. Suffering is usually related to the path and all things enlightenment in this way. There is a noteworthy relationship between our experiences of suffering or witnessing of suffering, and the severity of falsity it reinforced, that we need to let go of. It’s possible you have not experienced much or any suffering, and find it hard to see because it’s relatively easier for you to let go.

@Aaron p To be now, being presence / consciousness. Notice how you can remember thoughts & events from when you were a kid, and when you were a teenager. Notice how you can not remember the consciousness you experienced it through, because the consciousness, the now, never moved, never changed. The body & thoughts changed. See that the person and everything around it is moving through you, not you through it.