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Direct experience, or belief? ??

@NoSelfSelf Might want to try em without intention / expectation first.

@NoSelfSelf Have you taken any before?

@Kosmos “Gauranteeing as a right” - seems obvious now, very nice! Great vision. Not sure society could fail us, it is us. Thanatos didn’t “fail” imo. I don’t think he sees it that way either. Wonder if it will ever be possible that there are so many more rights, that the system of laws and rights would be unnecessary, an enlightenment tipping point maybe. It sure wouldn’t hurt to have more feminine influence in society. The moderator comment...sorry....yes I’m a moderator, happy to be, just not so much a status in the sense there are levels, or ranking, more keepin an eye on name calling, pretending we know stuff, spam, etc.

@Kosmos Yes welcome to the forum, great to meet you, yada yada ? You make some great points there. Sounds like we are aware one can only fail one’s self, which is mystical on it’s own I suppose. I think I was taking mystical as in absolute, rather than paranormal / inconsistent reality. How many meditators have a nondual experience is a fantastic question. In that light, I totally see and agree with where you’re coming from. It’d make a great pole. Just for the record, I am not a moderator.

@Lynnel If you become enlightened, what do you think would be different? What would you do diffferently? What would you hope for in terms of change? (I realize I’m asking you to speculate)

@Shogun Holy fucking shit man.

@Kosmos Mysticism doesn’t answer questions, but uncovers the limitations of ‘knowing’. If it answered the question, it wouldn’t be mystical. No?

@Thanatos13 You are creating your own reality. Prove me wrong.

@Strikr Yes, of course they’re the same. It is also worthwhile to create a difference. The difference I see is conversationally (forum) answers are coming from maya, and usually heard, occasionally understood, and rarely realized, - most often reinforcing the illusion, but in contemplation, answers arise from the “higher self” or “higher consciousness”, the contemplator realizes the falsity of the question, rather than mulling over choices of answers (which could go on forever). Though what’s at play is consciousness, and the creation of your own reality. The likelyhood of discovering that, and realizing it on the forum is pretty low, as the attention is on thought. The likelyhood of realizing this in contemplation, is inevitable. This is why I suggest the distinction of lower, and higher, in practice. Most of what you wrote there, I struggle to understand, sorry. It sounds accusatory, but of what I am not sure.

@Torkys Not sure how much, or which.

@cetus56 ?? It is me! Lol

Low conscious: Asking for answers to your questions. High consciousness: Contemplating & Self Inquiring until there is no longer the question.

@cetus56 Just me, or, kinda looks like a heart?

@Serotoninluv Does this model fit iyo?.....Concentration is a function of the brain, relative to the activity (from over thinking to samadhi). Distraction is concentration with over thinking, single point focus is concentration with little to no thought activity....Awareness is - it is how we can talk about the brain, thoughts, and concentration.

@SageModeAustin (op) Entirely possible. There is beauty oozing from every person. Hard to miss with the heart, easy to miss in a brain/penis paradigm. Lol.

@Robert ??☺️

@Tetcher If I may offer a view, pointing at the variance between advice of unenlightened not giving advice, and giving advice and declaring one’s self unenlightened, points at your current predicament. So, what are you holding onto? What ‘triggers’ you? What do you seek to attain? What is fear, to you? What repeating thought patterns of past & future, take you from now ? Let’s take a look, and uncover freedom. ?

@Andreas Do things, unconditionally, even anonymously, for other people. Do not accept anything in return.

@Devil Excellent inquiry! Now apply the filter of thought/belief, or direct experience. Also very helpful to make a list of what you are ruling out.

@Torkys Have you checked out any Abraham Hicks?

How much of that is direct experience, and how much is thought/belief? Lot of assumptions giving you troubles.

@Your place at Heart There are devices which bounce reward/error sounds off your subconscious while you sit there relaxing, doing nothing, and the outcome is the syncing of your alpha and theta waves. Experienced meditators know the spacious relaxation and clarity of theta waves. Relaxation & clarity is very useful in shining the awareness on the roots of triggers and loops. After twenty three years of silence/blackness meditation, I’ve recently tried out some of the brain sych’s, hemi-synchs, chakra aligners, guided meditations, and one from the Bob Monroe Institute program. I’d say they are like everything else in the sense they all need to be experienced to know what they are, and to see if any work with you (brain).

@SoonHei Absolutely mysterious af.