Nahm

@clouffy Are you able to pinpoint, or even generalize, what led you to the thinking that there is “their” spiritual energy, as compared with there just being spiritual energy, or your spiritual energy? Is it possible that is the very teaching they are offering? How do you presume they would respond to human touch, that would be different than how you do? What comes to mind - what you’ve heard, etc - which leads you to think they are more of a conductor of this energy than you yourself? (Not that I am against people seeing guru’s - it’s the “He or she is enlightened, and I am not thinking, that I hope to draw out into the light)

@clouffy Why?

@clouffy Wether an “enlightened person” turned out to have any unique presence or not - what questions would you ask them?

@ShugendoRa Can you elaborate some? At what point do the stares come? Maybe describe the experience of it becoming awkward too.

@ShugendoRa ?? The realization that all thought, knowledge in entirety, is illusionary, is referred to as The Whole or Wholistic Insight. The whole is the self, all there is, is the self. The actuality in realization of the self is, there is nothing to know. In this realization, “no self” was but an illusionary thought, occurring within the self, and in actuality, never occurred at all. Upon this realization is the cessation of thought, the self is known, and the illusion is known as the self, there is no false self, nor a false no-self catalyst of thinking, and therefore no more attempts to resolve truths about self, reality, thought, nor any other separation based perspectives, etc. In this cessation, samadhi, eternal knowing of the actuality of the self, the knower, is revealed; thoughts, trees, & bird chirps ( @Serotoninluv??) are not only illusion, but equal as such. A thing nor a thought was never “mine”, nor “separate”, nor existed. Watch this.....consider, what is so damn funny? And why are they so happy about it? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CwzQJdvFMeI The self, awareness, the knower, infinite self, etc, can be known, right now. The nature of self is an entirely different stratosphere. If that video is not hysterical, just take it as a pointer to more. Accept the pointer and inquire, or don’t. You are the self either way, it is simply nice to know in this illusion. No one gets out alive in any case, All is Well.

The thought that thought is a movement is yet just another sneaky thought. Movement is not actually. When you describe thought as “movement”, see that there is no actual movement. It’s just a linguistic descriptive, another thought. Movement is illusory.

@Anton Rogachevski ? @Roman Edouard “How can you trust your mind?” - Was our ramble helpful for your inquiry?

@SoonHei #5...Nice!...?? @Serotoninluv That’s a beautiful read right there.??

@Anton Rogachevski Right. Who’s asking? ???

@Anton Rogachevski Are you aware?

Thought can not imply. Nor is it any kind of movement. All thought is your illusion, just like any identification, process, or resistance. All is love. To believe otherwise, you must first believe a thought of separation. Time can not be “in movement”, there is no such thing as time, nor movement.

Any insight, or “learning” is you too. Nahm is your illusion.

Consider a sound. Do you have or experience a sound, or do you actually experience the awareness of a sound? The sneakiness is in believing thoughts. Thoughts are things, like trees (illusionary). Thought can be combined, appearing to form new thoughts (illusionary). There is the thought “that sound”. There is the actuality of awareness of. In believing the thought “I am experiencing a sound”, the sound is implied to be a separate thing. But sound was not actually experienced, awareness is. All “separate things” appear as “separate things” by believing the thought “separate things”. (Worth noting, “infinite” is also just a word, a pointer. As, it would not be helpful to say that there is even not awareness, but only, me.)

Thought can’t identify, nor can thought love, it is love. That it can do anything is actually just another thought. Time is also just thought.

This derived from this.... Which derived from this... Do you see the sneakiness? The separate self evades Truth like a ninja. That is it’s function, it’s purpose - the experience of a separate self, for experience sake. Accomplished with the mind bending simplicity of believing thoughts, taking finite thoughts, as infinite or lasting, Truth. In your direct experience, in this moment, look for pieces of awareness. In your direct experience, in this moment, look for pieces of love. There are no pieces of awareness, nor pieces of love. These are infinite, these are The Self, these are You.

@Anton Rogachevski If that thought is true for you, inquire. Godspeed my friend. Thank you. I wish you well also.

@Anton Rogachevski Thoughts can come fast, but never to fast for realizing this. Awareness can not be “outsmarted”, try as you like. Awareness is aware of thoughts, awareness is not a thought. ??. I’m not asking about “meaning”, or “someone”, or “if thoughts are self aware”, “experiencer(s)’, “who’s aware”, or “putting legs on a snake”. Are you aware of those thoughts too?

Are you aware of this thought “assumption”, this thought “rigged”, this thought “dualistic thinking”, this thought “trick”, this thought “absolutely meaningless”, this thought “what the heck is awareness”, this thought “something I have no idea of”, this thought “it appears as if I was aware”, this thought “how does that change anything”, this thought “just appearances”, this thought “closer to the truth”, this thought “I wouldn’t get here unless I questioned it all to death”, this thought “maybe yes, I don’t know”, this thought “Anton Rogachevski”, and this thought “where’s my prize”?

@Privet ♥️??

@Anton Rogachevski Are you aware?

@Roman Edouard If you know finite delusions, the only possibility is that you are infinite truth.

Knowing nothing needs to be done, you can create, realize and live your life purpose. Spend a week literally not doing anything you want. If you do it, that will be something you wanted to do. It’s inescapable. Is that really true? Do you want it to be true?

@pluto Makes perfect sense. ?

I’d suggest you are complete, and impossible to improve upon. And then.