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@RevoCulture Just love.

@HangOn The intention was more of an ‘at ease’, than implying anything was ‘unwarranted’. Glad you tried it and know. I guess I could have just said, take it and see, it’s no big deal.

The belief at play is that there is a my perception - of - reality. (Subject-Object relationship) You are the whole of reality, which an appearance of “a reality” (universe) is within (rather than you are in a reality, which is a separate ‘thing’ that a separate ‘you’ is ‘perceiving’. “The current experience of life” is the appearance within actual you...though it appears that a you is in a “reality”.

@HangOn As you said, it’s situational, experiential....so you have to try it. From my experience....you’re thinking of it as if it was a psychedelic, or something of a more significant event. It’s subtle. Talk to your doctor before trying any nootropics too.

@AryaBhata Between the knowing & feeling of your profound gifted ness, and what you are labeling “depersonalization”.....something transpired. What was it? (That something could have been something in the past arising now also).

Careful not to turn the learning which is on your path to what you’re wanting, into a ‘qualification’ carrousel of thinking. ?♥️ Something you might consider...is your aim to help people psychologically deal with life, or to see prior to / beyond all psychology, so that they are liberated and create the life they actually want. Can thinking resolve thinking? Do you want to liberate and love....or “be a life coach” - “be a psychologist”.

@Aaron p Great work & thanks for sharing! ??♥️

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@Meditationdude If you know someone who’s up for this, it could change this facet of experience for you in minutes. Have someone sit in front of you, who prepares by understanding they are serving a role for your healing, and are not to react or speak in any way. Then, let it all out. Then reverse the roles, and have them say the meanest most degrading things they can possibly think of to you...while you simply sit in complete nonreaction. Sounds nuts, but you’ll feel amazing after and this will never be a problem for you again. This flavor of anger is in defending a self one thinks is there. With the exercise, you move through that, and see there was no actual need to defend.

@RevoCulture There isn’t a second self which gets self realized. Self realized is realization of who one actually is. In the same sense, ‘figures’ don’t self realize. What seems like a separate person or figure is Self already. If one is cynical with themself, they’re believing self referential thinking. Or rather, they’re mistaking thought about a self, for their self, which would imply they aren’t self realized. If there’s anything ‘wrong’, the ‘wrong’ is only in one’s own perspective. One of the ‘facets’ realized upon self realization, is that there’s really no such thing as ‘exclusion from being self realized’. It’s not an attainment a second self acquires, it’s being, without the beliefs like ‘wrong’ (judgement) and ‘people who are excluded’ (separatism). A more simple way to state this, is when “you” self realize it’s clear then that everyone and everything already was. No, there’s no particular way one ‘should act’. In accordance with love / truth is great, but can’t be said to be a ‘should’ as that’s in perspective also (judgement). ‘How does a self realized person act’ is also a conflated, sort of misleading question. Are you self realized, or are you experiencing a person acting (the reference to another person), might be a question to explore. Also, Leo’s Authority video might be spot on timing.

@astrokeen If the practices aren’t consistent and enjoyable, there’s probably something worth inspecting. Inspection work is inspecting each thought / perspective. I’d describe it as open mindedness, focusing, tuning in, feeling into it, & applying reason & scrutiny, rather than circular intellectualizing. “The ego” will not want any part of this, initially. Only initially though. The more it is done, the more relief found and the better it feels. In a way, the intellect is being utilized to reveal it’s deeper, whole nature of which it appears to be a part. In the spiritual sense, you might say it’s using the light to shine on the source of itself. It’s liberating, as it loosens & frees identifications along with the perspectives. In this emptying, more illumination can enter, if you will. We realize why we held a perspective...most often, one we didn’t know we were holding. Perspectives in the vein of “that’s just how the world is”, or “that’s how I am” can run deep & unnoticed, and in kind they’re all the more freeing to realize. This usually triggers great emotional release, followed by lasting clarity & a quieter mind, and intuition & insights. Some other ‘clues’ from this thread, and only you know if this is helpful or not... “what people here seem to experience without great effort”...If I was over emphasizing ’over-believing’ efforting, it would seem like others were doing too little, but it would elude me if I hadn’t inspected my belief / perspective in effort. Also, if you are feeling desire, yearning and urgency...I would listen to that feeling vs deducing it as an obstacle. That would make sense, but much further down the path. For now, it strikes me as a sort of selective listening.

@OmniYoga Yes, the same, you.

@MAYA EL That’s awesome.

@Meetjoeblack How do you figure you’d feel, if you were wrong about everything. Would you lean towards anger, or relief?

@astrokeen What would the progress from practices look like? Asking because I suspect meditation is being ‘lumped in’ to things-of-effort in life, dualizing life / spirituality... rather than revealing the effortlessness that is already the actuality of life, realized by the falling away of narratives, typically via meditation. Or more simply put, a narrative or two unnoticed can shape experience a lot. Also, have you done inspection work?

@seeking_brilliance YouTube...double slit...quantum erasure...& John Hagelin / S.A.N.D. Eye opening stuff. That’d be a good start.

@RevoCulture When you are self realized, you see there are not people. It’s all Self. Who would you be cynical to? Your Self.

@Urgency That’s a juicy paradox you’re tapping into. It does initially seem like there’s a belief, or perspective to add so one arrives at this truth....but it’s the opposite.

@seeking_brilliance All of those perspectives are thoughts arising, one at at time. None of them are true. Quantum mechanics, imo, is useful for understanding what a perspective is.

@Bazooka Jesus Maybe I’ll get lucky and a clown will come by.

@Bazooka Jesus ? ...and try not to get pissed.

@Urgency Are you believing it isn’t?

“negative energy, low/high-vibration” Negative energy is a belief. Vibration / relativity reveals this. You can listen, or not listen, but there’s no shortage of the ‘being told’, it is the fabric of reality. All terms / words are dualistic...finger pointing to the moon. They only make sense from the nondual perspective, as the relative perspective is illusory. This is what the relativity, is relative to. That wether you care or not is the question, and wether we care is an abstraction, is another pointing to absolute. It’s a pointer, for you. You’re looking at it as a way to size up / judge, other people. When you notice how that feels, you experience precisely what you’re taking about. No. That’s conflation. Infinity can’t expand, your consciousness can expand, until it is fully realized that it can not. This is because you are a limitation of consciousness, experientially.

@Neph Like if you are sitting in a room alone watching a movie...it might seem like there are other people in the room, but that’s not other people, that’s a movie. It might seem like there are other people in a dream, but it is the content of the dream, not actually other people.