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Well said! What do you think of Wavydude’s description? If one was to reframe perspective from exclusion, to abundance, what would that look like? Basically, what would be the opposite of those? How would one get there?

@kireet Awesome. ??

@wavydude That is an excellent & clear way to frame it up imo. How to ‘untrap’ then, right? Thoughts?

Awareness is aware of awareness. The observed is awareness. The observer is awareness. So there is no observer or observed. Just awareness aware of awareness. If you find something other than awareness, notice awareness of “it”. Then scrutinize how the two are separated (Awareness, and the thing awareness is aware of). Any ample inspection reveals there is no separation, just the thought that there was. Deep sleep is such a thought. Be sure to also ‘throw out’ all words and meanings, like “awareness”, “consciousness”, “nothing”, etc, as they were just pointing.

@Zak What would healed look like? What comes to mind from that question?

@allislove ??

@kireet Be ‘where you’re at’, and let all the judgment go. Especially the judging of yourself. You meditated for a year and that calmed the mind. That’s perfect, you’re perfectly, naturally, organically, ‘on track’. Refrain from judging yourself so readily, as if you’re missing something, as if the actuality where something to get to. Actuality is here now, and is ‘unwrapped’, not somewhere or something to get to. When you do that, you’re going away from actuality, into abstract thought about some other scenario which doesn’t exist, and subtly, sneakily, comparing ‘where you are’ to ‘where you should be’. You are where you are, which is the only actuality of ‘where you are’. Don’t believe the comparison, and more so, notice intently the feeling of that comparison, and the resulting feeling when you think ‘I’m not there’ / ‘where I should or could be’ in realization. Let all of that go, and ‘point’ attention / focus back inwardly so to speak, back to you, back to what is knowing the direct experience of right here, right now. Hold your hand in front of you and notice there is perception (seeing), and the feeling, or sensation ‘inside’ the hand, and notice “hand” is a thought, a label you learned. Take a minute to dial into, or focus intently yet effortlessly on each of those: the thought “hand”, seeing, and sensation. Then hold your hand behind your head, and notice the thought “hand” is just the thought. Notice there is no perception (no seeing a ‘hand’). Notice there is still the sensation. Then move your hand back ‘in front of you’...and notice the experience is only: the thought “hand”, the sensation (that there is feeling), and perception (that there is seeing). Repeat all that, but this time notice in perception, in seeing...there certainly appears to be definable specific ‘edges’ of your hand. Visually, it is crystal clear where your hand is, and where it ends and the air is. Then hold your hand behind your head again, label it garfenkus (instead of the label you know, ‘hand’)...and notice / focus on only the sensation of ‘the hand’...notice, in feeling, there are no discernible ‘edges’. Notice the edge-less ‘fuzziness’ of sensation / feeling. Now close your eyes and relax a bit, and notice the entire body is filled with sensation, or, that there is feeling. With your eyes closed, focus on feeling the entire body, and notice, there are no discernible ‘edges’ of feeling. Now notice “body” is a thought, a label you learned, and that is all it is. Now take a good 360 degree look around. Notice how many labels are being believed for all the “things” you’re seeing. But notice, there is no separation between what is seen, the seeing, and the knowing of the seeing. Notice the thoughts arising as labels, and the knowing of the thoughts and the seeing, are not separate from ‘eachother’. Really scrutinize to find the separation between ‘objects’, the seeing of, and the knowing of the seeing. The more you scrutinize to find the separation between ‘objects’, seeing, and knowing...the more clear it is that no separation can actually be found. Notice each time it seems a separation is found...that was only a thought, which was being believed. Notice the “trick” is you convincing you that there are “separations”, only by believing the thoughts, that there are. Notice you’re using thought, perception, and sensation, to “trick” yourself...to convince yourself of this...when the actuality is that experience is one invisible whole. Now notice, whoever or whatever ‘you’ are, you are that one indivisible whole. ‘You’ are not separate, and no ‘thing’ is actually separate from ‘you’. Do that: ‘objects’, seeing, knowing collapse anywhere, anytime throughout the days. As you do, you’re going to experience feelings about this. As you do, over and over...dial into, or focus intently yet relaxed upon feeling. Frame this exercise up as the “point” is to stir up that response of feeling, and focus on that, letting go of attachment to seeing and thinking. You might also contemplate that you were not made. Notice, people have sex, and that could be planned. You could write a whole outline of how it is to go, what’ll transpire, who’ll do what, etc. But...nobody can make any actual plan whatsoever of more literally, how to create you. As people we can claim to do the sex, and we can plan to have babies...but not the actual creating, of another person. It’s a total cover up, a mirage. Then try to think of one single example of anything whatsoever - which isn’t actually just a state of change. If you leave an apple in the sun, vs in the refrigerator...it’s very easy to notice the variance in change. In sunlight, an apple is going to decompose faster than in the fridge, but the apple in the fridge decomposes, changes, too. Carry that out to rocks & boulders. The state of change of rocks is slower, but over enough time they ‘melt’, change, or decompose, too. Begin to notice there is no “thing” which isn’t actually changing. That there are “separate things” is illusory, do to the slow rate of change, and relativity to your seeing and experiencing of all the “things”. Notice again, experience is one whole, of apparent changing-ness. Body wise, you too are an apparent changing-ness. “Cells” dying, cells dividing, etc. Always and only changing. Notice the profundity of that it doesn’t seem like it. Notice how perfect that is. Totally seems like there are solid, separate, individual, “things”. But there isn’t. You’ve just been believing there is. Now contemplate, ‘you’, or rather, the body you previously believed was a “separate thing”...is sized ever so perfectly in the middle between an atom, and the earth. What are the odds of this? If there were billions of years of random evolution, and an eternity of who knows what prior to the “Big Bang”...what are the odds that all of that led to you just happening to be you, right now? Then notice, “odds”, is only a thought. There’s no “odds”, that is only a thought. Then contemplate that you, “physically” speaking, as a “body”...are actually an apparent changingness. Now let all that go and recall that you have ‘something’ in experience which is unique and is not experienced anywhere ‘outside of you’, ever, and that is your sense of humor. Now consider how ridiculously funny it is that the cover up, the means of you convincing yourself you exist as a separate body or person, that there is a universe and physical reality...is the Big Bang. Notice, this is really just a reference to something “your parents” did. Notice they too, are changingness. They are only, apparent. Keep this in mind anytime you notice any uncertainty or fear in life. Collapse the objects, seeing & knowing, leaving only the knowingness...and have a hearty laugh at “fearing” what is only changingness, inseparable of, you.

@justfortoday Beautiful. ??

@Heaven We love you! Heaven’s kinda easy to love, but still.

I’ll post a video about it in a few days.

@Amit ??? Touche’! How many egos you figure there are? ?

@Galyna ?? Appreciated, honestly though, all credit goes to mahāsamādhi. @Amit LOL! So true.

@Someone here Nice! Getting warmer...

@Someone here Love you. Lot of wisdom here, just in these two. First time you feel it, it might make you sad Next time you feel it it might make you mad But you'll be glad baby when you've found That's the power makes the world go'round Here’s to not nailing any messengers up. ?

@Someone here “???“

@Michael569 Just super appreciating you, that’s all.

@Someone here The things you’re asking are typically considered very intimate and personal, and there is no intention here to be offensive. In direct experience, thoughts appear, and disappear. “Possible” and “impossible” have no actuality, just thoughts. Notice, thoughts are not separate of any you. When the thought “that’s literally impossible” appears, don’t react or act on it, simply notice it appearing and disappearing. Same for the thought, “your body”. That is only the thought, “body”. Same for “alive”, that is only the thought. Same for “eats”, “sleeps”, “types”, “no thoughts” & “24/7” (“time”). That there are these “different states” is a thought, a belief held. What is the direct experience, what s the actuality of these things you speak of? Just the thoughts. “Temporary” is a thought, “deep meditation sessions” is a thought. “Permanent thing” is a thought. There is no actuality to these other than the thoughts, which is an appearance. Don’t take “my” “word” for it. Notice now, “thoughts” are appearing and disappearing. Rather than “grab hold” of a thought, see that the true nature of thought is already to appear and disappear. Again, no personal offense, but this is deflection / projection. You are adding something via the claim I said or implied it, but I didn’t. It’s a thought that appeared, that you “grabbed onto”. I offered a suggestion, I didn’t say you “should or shouldn’t”. You added that. Let that go. Same mechanisms at play. I didn’t say anything was wrong. This initially likely seems semantical, what’s being said now. Notice it is not, by letting the thought you “grabbed onto”, disappear. Side note - thought is not perception. Thought is 0% perception. Also, there is no “existential perception”. That is only thoughts - about - “existential perception”. There is no such “thing”. Thought is not a separate thing. “Stopped” & “forever” are the content of thoughts. (Reminder, thought is an appearance). No offense, but that approach is perpetual suffering. (To even consider thought should be stopped.) Yes...but look how easily (again no offense, intention is less suffering) you slipped into the opposite, that there is an individual “thinker”..... ...and remember....”there is no thinker of thoughts”. Btw....or.....he would just do everything he wants to. You. Not “we all”. Just, “you” - “the thinker”. Again, no offense. “We’re” just pretending “we” are talking about a subject here.

@Someone here Yes indeed, and I have infinite compassion for it. Yet, go back and read that post again without reacting or responding to or with any arising thoughts. Then consider that I am you, and there is nobody ‘here’ you’re talking to or about in the first place (still without believing a single thought). It’s just you believing your thoughts. @zeroISinfinity ?

@RedLine The premise of ‘everything is love is subjective bias’ was faulty right out of the gate...if there is subjective and bias, it’s your subjective bias. As in, if you believe someone else has subjective bias, you are actually believing your own subjective bias but not noticing you are. What you could be inquiring into is what suffering is & how it appears. Not some objective suffering, just suffering - which means “your” suffering. The trouble you’re encountering there, is how quickly the thought there are other people is believed, because underlying the inquiry, that belief is precisely your suffering. When you no longer believe that thought, you’re 99% ‘there’ in terms of understanding ‘your own’ suffering. But then that’ll leave you with solipsism, or that there is no ‘you’ / ‘you’ is not a person. To remove that remaining duality, you’d have to let go of the “everything”, the “subjective”, and the “bias” you’re believing in. You’d have to let go of everything & you. If & when ‘you’ do, there is no longer any existence of suffering...nor was there spacetime, light, a universe, memories, experience, etc. You’d be fully aware you created your own, “suffering”.

Body is a thought. Documented case is a thought. Autopsy, cause & death are thoughts. Brain is a thought. Biologically alive is a thought. All of the apparent ‘things’ & causations of ‘things’ which these thoughts are being believed to be, is the same one substance, the same one experience, as the “thoughts” - youness. When you believe a thought, you essentially are believing a “thought” is some “thing” other than you.

@Call Me Whatever A food analogy comes to mind. If someone eats poorly for years, and for a month eats really clean...then eats poorly for a day, the experience feels downright ill, though it never bothered them at all before. I’ve also heard of people having trip hangovers, where the returning of thought patterns seems more intense and undesirable, for having experienced there true nature. You might have something along those lines going on. Sounds like you’re handling it well. Imo the key is continuing to let the thoughts go, which lets emotions out, which seems to play a key role in such a ‘rollercoaster’ leveling out into peace & love.

@seeking_brilliance Wow that’s awesome!

Yes it is. Let go of logic and feel. Ever forget where your keys are and get irritated...then remember where they are feel relief? Same you, same keys.

Instead of giving up ... you just return attention to breathing from the stomach, and relax the body. Gravity basically does that for you. You’re just not-tensing really, not resisting gravity. That’s it. When you quit, it’s to avoid feeling. I believe you that you aren’t recognizing that. Doesn’t matter really, just don’t quit & be willing to feel however you feel. Meditation isn’t even an effort, or a doing, really...so there isn’t really a ‘quitting’. It’s just sitting there relaxing and lightly focusing on breathing. Quitting is avoidance. What’s being avoided is feeling. The bliss and relaxation came from you, is you. The lsd quited the mind. It ‘works’, is helpful, but is not needed. You could google how to relax. There are virtually countless ways to go about it. You can make a fist right now and feel the tension of the contraction of the muscles...and then un-fist and feel the muscles relax. Do that with your whole body. Stand up and tense every muscles at the same time as much as possible...then let go and feel the relaxation. Then you would know relaxation via direct experience. It’s simple like that. Don’t think about it. It requires no thinking. No. You quit. Not trying to poke you in the eye...but this kinda must be said, must be realized. Notice the temptation to blame, when truly - you quit. That feeling is emotion to be released. It’s up to you to let the blame meditation isn’t working thinking perspective go. When you do, emotion releases. When that occurs, thought stories arise, opportunities to blame, resent, be mad at someone, regret something, worry about something, etc, etc. Return attention to breathing from the stomach instead of pursuing those thoughts / perspectives. Learn to let them (thought) go. Learn to let emotion out. You can do this. Technically, it is non-doing. The body releases automatically. The natural nature of thought is appearing & disappearing. Technically, you’re struggling with not doing. You answer is typically more doing, and clearly you have tried that and it doesn’t work. Suffering has a way of opening minds to practices of non-doing, relaxation and feeling. You refuse to let thoughts go, because you’re avoiding feeling. If you simple sat with it, you’d experience the emotions, and some outpouring. But that’s it. It’s not like monsters come out of the closet and eat you. If you video taped the whole thing, it’d be so boring you wouldn’t even watch it. But do whatever feels best to you, the path of least resistance. You can approach this solo, and you can talk with anyone you want about it. All in the name of liberation & well being really, all Good. Broken record here I know, but the body so to speak naturally empties if you just sit down long enough. Don’t fear it man, it worth it. It feels great to let it all go, cry some shit out. No big deal. It’s far better to get stung by a bee, than to live in fear of bees. Very tempting to call you a loser here so you can feel the relativity and realize that statement is just nonsense, but you really are a good person, and I love ya and I digress. Yes it does. Let go of the “fixing” mindset, and welcome the letting go mindset. If a marble was stuck in a garden hose, it wouldn’t be “broke” and need “fixing” to get the flow going...just the releasing of the marble would be ample. There is a source, and you want that flow. To “get it”, accept counter intuitive suggestions, like meditating every morning and letting go. No quitting. Just returning to breathing from the stomach. There’s no report card, no getting it right or wrong. For sure, that can only help. In a nutshell, it’s expression. If another person helps that, great. You can utilize the best of both worlds so to speak. You can do this solo too, by writing about how you feel. However that is, and what you write doesn’t actually matter...learning to express it, let it out, is the point. You are the “base” and you are Good. When thoughts arise about yourself that don’t feel good, let them go. Express them if it’s helpful, but don’t believe them. Really try your absolute best to catch yourself doing this - and flip the script. Give yourself some love. If you think “my base is fucked”, reach for a better feeling thought. Even if it feels a tiny bit better...you’re going in that better feeling direction, toward the love & clarity you really are. Momentum of feeling better builds. Eventually is is the default, and there is emptying of emotions along the way. Godspeed. You can do this letting go. Just a misc thought...airbnb’s secluded in the woods, I’ve found to be ideal. Alone in nature is best, imo. I think they have some kind of COVID cleaned guarantee or something or other close to that, idk. There’s still risk of course, and up to you, just thought I’d mention it cause that’s what I’d do. Being around anyone, especially at home / with same people or family can trigger same stuff, same reactions, same patterns. I always preferred pure alone, not uttering a word for days or weeks. Whatever works for you though. I agree. Just want ya feelin good, happy, having fun, thriving. ??

@RedLine Language tricks...? All there is is love. Love is absolute, and has no opposite. Suffering is the ignoring of truth. (Love = Truth).