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@Red-White-Light Maybe the frustration isn’t spiritual, but resistance to open mindedness, practices, suggestions, and most importantly inspection of direct experience.

I agree, but conversationally ‘grow’ points to deficit if they’re still reactionary. You could explain that they are that which they are talking about, by explaining they haven’t actually experienced any of what they’re talking about. That they heard it from someone else, and believed it. Religion, is a belief. Actually finding out for oneself as you have is an entirely different conversation than one about beliefs. You could explain the nature of suffering, and the liberation of it. Not to convince them, not for their growth. Only if you want to.

That’d be fruitless, impossible and exhausting. Are there any other words you could use instead of Truth?

What other words might you pop into that statement instead of Truth?

@zeroISinfinity No wrong things, only wrong view. ZeroISinfinity: “God damn absolutist”.

@zeroISinfinity lol. No 5150 without Roth. Dig?

Congrats on the liberation from blue. Point rationality & conceptualizing to vision & practicality, bringing your most desired dream for this life into actuality, rather than pointing it at metaphysics and actuality. Look to direct experience & feeling for those instead. Crush orange you beast!

@bejapuskas Indeed you beautiful sob. @John Iverson We’re all in your corner buddy, rootin for ya.

@khalifa Godspeed man. If you can, notice well being is actual nowness, reality, here & now...and ‘well being’ or ‘baseline’ is only a thought about a past, and about feeling in a past. That’ll never lead to feeling better, because feeling is here now present, and you’re belief is that it is in a past. You are making that comparison between actual well being now, and a thought of well being, being a past, and missing that one is the actual well being now and one is a thought about well being in a past. So you’d be believing you’re making a comparison, but you’re actually not. The “comparison” doesn’t feel good because there’s no truth or actuality to it. You keep labeling that feeling, rather than listening to it and understanding it. Well being is the love which = now and = you. Each time you think it’s in a past...the very well being you’re talking about, which is present now, is ‘saying’ “uh, no sir. Right here loving you, literally being you”...and you might be misinterpreting that feeling, by continuing to believe your thought / perspective about a “past”...and a “you” in a “past”. In any case, when you are ready to, and actually begin choosing perspectives, those which feel good to you...you’ll inherently, by default, be ‘connecting with your source’, feeling well being now, and feeling better and better. You’ll see that how you’ve been feeling has to do with how you’ve been looking at what happened a year ago...not that it ‘left a mark’ and is the reason why. Same thing with 5meo and your trip. That’s only, quite literally - a thought. It’s completely gone. It was a relative experience which came and went. However, you default to it as the reason you feel the way you feel - now. That is not the reason you don’t feel so great now. You’re arriving at a perspective which does not resonate with feeling - and you’re believing the perspective anyways. You don’t have to do that. You don’t have the relative experience of that trip now, you have thoughts about it now. So how you feel has nothing to do with that experience. It has only to do with the thoughts about it, right now. You’ll need to find your way to realizing this, and changing your perspective in alignment with now, with feeling. Feeling is not in a past or future, and therefore feeling better, or better feeling, are not in a past or future. The more you repeat, assert & insist that feeling better is in a past or future, the more you suffer. The more you let those beliefs & perspectives go, the better you feel - cause feeling = now. Prior to that, and reinforced by that, are belief(s) about yourself which do not feel good & have never felt good. These beliefs and perspectives are never going to feel good or resonate with you. Notice, rather than understanding and recognizing this, you’re creating negative beliefs about yourself to compensate for your beliefs that you feel the way you do now, because of a trip and or events in your past. This is basic identifying with a past, identifying as a separate self in time. Most simply put - believing thoughts & suffering, instead of meditating daily. What is pertinent, is your perspective & attitude, & willingness to be open minded & let go of what doesn’t feel good to you. Noticing how things like complaining and then identifying yourself as a complainer doesn’t feel good. Change your perspective & outlook, by being on purpose with what you say, rather that just lazily ‘going with’ what doesn’t even feel good to you. Love ya man, Godspeed. Wishing you wonderful changes in what you’re creating.

@John Iverson Go ahead, here, right now...write 5 things you want. Can be anything. Refrain from writing anything that doesn’t feel good to you.

@VeganAwake Couldn’t have said it better. ?

@John Iverson You’re in luck! ??

@Leilani Awesome! ??

Obviously it’s ineffable, but what are a few other words you’d suggest as pointers?

@RedLine While it may seem like you’re doing, moving, thinking, working, you are not. You’re appearing as everything making it seem like you are. How is that practical or applicable? The former is contraction, tension, stress, issues with focus, concentration, reactions....all resistance to the latter....the latter is flow, liquid, whatever’s happening. ‘Moving’ from the former to the latter is arguably what meditation is ‘for’. It is only attachment in relationship to thoughts, which goes hand & hand with emotional suppression, which perpetuate the former. In terms of calming the activity of the mind, I would also look to diet and vision. Eating clean & knowing what you’re doing today is the unfolding of your dream of this life, being aware of how it fits in to the bigger picture you want. There appears to be a duality of doer and nondoer, but there is not.

@Red-White-Light Not trying to be sarcastic, trying to understand where you’re coming from... I get that there are thoughts regarding derealization, like reality isn’t real, or I am not real. What regarding derealization transpires in terms of perception...seeing & hearing? What about sensations & feeling, how does derealization feel?

@Nemo28 Going back and reading our convo on this thread, it seems you are a bit married to a concept about there being a second you, to murder, or kill. If this feels good, great stick with it. Imo, it is nonsense, as in, feeling is not joining you in that concept / perspective. Perhaps a new consideration...rather than adding the duality of my feelings, remove the duality that you possess feelings.

The murderer doesn’t die.

Death is a mental construct, a thought. Your sentiment & perspective implies you’re a murderer. How does that feel? If it feels like resistance, discord with who you really are....start listening, and readily & willingly, let such a perspective go.

Relationships, relatives, relativity, relative..... To what, to who? The only actual relationship is with yourself. Try to find the line between the feeling and that decision, and you end up with a big pile of love. Then relationships are wonderful! Fun, easy, exciting.

Believing love is energy, and bliss sex, contextualizes the self out of both.

If that were true it’d feel wonderful. It’s a cover story of immaturity. Well thank Goodness you’re not a child John! You’re here, right now, and that is all, and that is enough. You’re creating fear by ‘going to a past or future’ in thinking...feeling remaining here, now....and you labeling love, “fear”. Right now, you can tell old story and life unfolds in kind. Also however, you can tell the story you want, and life unfolds in kind. Reality is unconditional. You’re the author. Every. Single. Word. Start drinking other than coffee, might be obvious new story.

@moda__ The feeling has nothing to do with loss. Notice, there isn’t anything actually lost. The feeling has to do with continuing to believe in loss. You’re playing a game. The point is fun, enjoyment. Why expect robbing yourself of the only point would feel good?

@Nightwise Was right where you are my man. Started meditating properly every single morning, and occasionally again in the afternoon. No longer feared feeling. Instead, felt, and thus, Awoke. Then experimented with psychedelics etc. Kintsugi of your golden self.

@John Iverson Hard work will dissolve one’s fear of hard work. You are not meditating properly. Google, review, tweak. Life has no seriousness. Take ownership that you are adding that which does not feel good to you. Hard work & meditation are no problem, they feel wonderful. Believing your story of something, not noticing that is a story and not the actual experience, That feels terrible. But it’s because your story about it is terrible feeling. If it feels terrible, why are you proceeding with giving it attention? Why not tell a different story, or go without adding a story. (Brings you back to reviewing meditation techniques, assuming you are meditating every morning for an hour). With a permanent marker, in 2 foot font, write on your wall... ”What do I need to change about my approach?”