Nahm

The identification is with the thought, that there is a you in time, from a few weeks ago. Notice self referential thoughts, and see that they come & go.

This is used as a write off of noninspection, monkey mind, thought attachment. Debating would just be more of this. The Jesus inquiry is more of the same outward thought attachment movement. The intention is viewership...and it’s working. It is all indeed completely made up.

If only you exist, as stated...who or what is there a disagreement with? There is a solipsistic lens at play.

@JohnD Maybe there’s something you’d like to just...say?

@JohnD You find this direct experience unrelatable? What don’t you get, so to speak?

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@JohnD Sweetly, in a googly manor. Arguably, this is the greatest joy in the universe. It is ineffable magic, which makes all things worthwhile, and all things possible. But only direct experience will do.

Spend some time watching thoughts come & go. Thought only rises here, now. “I” is a thought. Attachment to that thought functions like a bridge to the next thought, “am neurotic”. Neither thought actually says anything of the awareness, of the thoughts. Believing it does, feels off. Another thought arises, which seems to label that feeling, “fear”.

@UDT “I CAN NOT get over this” “I” is a thought, that points back to awareness of the thought. So ‘I can not get over this’, is the ‘clue’ sought after.

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@JohnD Babies can’t walk. We can.

Toxicity doesn’t ‘work’ the way you’ve mislead yourself to believe. A mind confined as such would not recognize it if the entire universe weaved of itself the greatest possible gift for itself. The utilizing & clinging to this falsity is fear. Fear is the avoidance of feeling. This is like vacuuming the floor, not even noticing it’s not plugged in, and assuming it’s the vacuum’s fault that vacuuming is not possible. This is like believing “we are unable to interact in a healthy way”, and missing you’re creating that belief. The belief is there is toxicity, and other people are toxic. The truth is you are the source, and there is no toxicity, just the occasional innocent judgement. It is good that there is feeling, so this is readily recognized. These are the words of an awakened being. By awakened, I mean one who recognizes the distinction between conceptualization & direct experience, and as such is a source of wisdom. If I were you, I’d spend a day reading this: “Why not use that as clarification to be the Dad you wish you would've had? You don't have to sacrifice or give up any of your life dreams for your kid. Don't use your life dreams as an excuse to skip out on your kid and don't use your kid as an excuse to skip out on your life dreams. Either option is fear talking and making excuses. The kid might help you clarify the shit out of your life plans though. It might seem like you're making sacrifices. You've been given a gift. You can have your cake and eat it too. Really. You cannot ruin anyone else's life without their permission. Let yourself off the hook, drop this fear and then you'll be free to act from the heart. Also likewise your ex and her influence cannot effect you without you giving it permission. Is it easier to cut someone off so we aren't affected by them? It seems that way in the short term but that's only kicking the can down the road. We'll inevitably run into the same kind of thing down the road with another partner in some other way until we learn to face the issue.”

Mind: There’s a past. Feeling: No there isn’t.

Consciousness arises as people, people do not have consciousness to raise. When something doesn’t resonate, instead of labeling the heart of consciousness “depressing”, simple listen to it, and let the conceptualizing go, create, you already are.

2 “Concepts don't define who you are.” - Gesundheit If you really leave conceptualizing yourself out of the picture, there’s no more reality. Meditation is ‘reality’ where there’s not yet a concept of a me. Yes. Conceptualizing, not direct experience.

If you can be a way, other than you, how would that way, not be you, when you are being, that way? If that way is not you, what is it? If there are infinite ways of being, and you know this, how did you arrive at this conclusion? Did infinite ways end, such that you concluded this? If you’ve experienced other ways, how are they excluded?

Perplexing.

@4201 It sounds like thoughts arise which do not feel good, and you aren’t realizing you’re attaching / believing them, until you’re already believing the ‘bigger’ thought story. Blowing it out of proportion so to speak, life sized, my whole future, etc. Often, but not always, I find that is due to a self-belief. Something someone thinks is different about themself, and or their preferences, which they consider to be ‘wrong’ or ‘unfortunate’ or ‘unacceptable’. Such a belief is credited to the world, or ‘just how it is’. So there is a loop...bad feeling....(thought:) it’s just how it is’ / ‘it’s just how I am’....bad feeling....thought again...bad feeling.... Shorter term... What I believe would most impact this is a cathartic experience. Something like a trip, talking with someone who can help you inspect what’s going on from a different perspective so you can experience some ah ha’s and releases, or if it’s applicable, forgiveness or yourself or another, or acceptance of something you have yet to accept, about yourself or another. Longer term... In more of an ongoing day to day manor, I think Concentration (single pointedness) Meditation would be ideal. It makes it incredibly easier to let a thought in discord go, and also to have clarity around it. Anytime, 24/7, no matter what you’re doing, ‘dial into’ seeing, hearing, feeling, breathing. Put attention there. It by default removes attention from thought, making it easier to ‘see’ what’s going on, and be less attached to thought, and therefore the belief has some space to come up & out. What these all point to is the release of a blockage, a belief about yourself relating to life, which isn’t true. This of course is the challenge with beliefs. It can be very hard to spot because one already believes it’s true. We can more easier see what is in front of us, then in our thoughts. Writing about how you feel right now, in the moment, without going to a past or future in thinking, helps presence, and emotions to clear & release. If you feel bad, you are already focused on what you don’t want. Stop, and write. You’ll realize what it is from seeing the writing in front of you. It’s more 3rd person view, than inner world.

@InterruptReQuest Try this. It’s likely the sacral chakra and solar plexus (at the least) will be that direct mystical experience. ‘Dial into’ that, and ‘bridge it’ or ‘extend it’ with / via feeling outwardly from the stomach area to throughout the entire body, and in continuing to maintain awareness / presence of the feeling, continue outward beyond the body. Might not hallucinate per se, but you might have a deep sense this is a hallucination.

Can you be a way other than you? What way are you?

To who?

@Javfly33 ? Silence, and of course, not even. If nothing else, listen to that video at 1:55 for twenty seconds. Maybe you find it as funny as I do. Notice perception is actually silence. Also, this Having An Inner Smile meditation and this ‘Feeling Of Me’ version of Self Inquiry strike me as simple easy gems for ‘amping up’ where you’re at. Not to imply there actually is a you anywhere, or that you need anything, yet, ‘connect while it’s hot’, so to speak, you bottomless being. ?

@AminB501 I’d do some untangling of that part about ‘need to almost empty all the time, because of stressful demands’ by scrutinizing how you’re filling up what you’re emptying. Potentially a bit of an emotional rabbit hole, but I’ve have been pleasantly blown away many times over at how different experience as a whole can be, specifically in terms of stress & energy, from such scrutiny, or untangling of interpretation.

Bottomless.