Nahm

Because they believe something is wrong (with them). And thus fear ‘their own’ awareness. Laughter is the best medicine.

The consideration is already the ignoring of reality. ?? ?

@Dodo What was the underlying message of that movie?

Taking away a man’s ability to self realize is incredibly simple. Just remove the environment of expression. Such as a father who stifles his child...except unseen & unheard...inherently void of expression.

The tongue can not taste itself. Inspection of thoughts is much easier when not tripping.

To see the true nature of thoughts, don’t utilize them to weave a hindsight story of a thinker.

It’s thought attachment, not a another you, having an effect on ‘the first’ you.

Great new documentary on Amazon called Losing Our Religion. Check it out. ?

Not possible.

There aren’t really any people. ? The question really is why doesn’t reality question reality. The answer is because it is the answer.

Sat on the cushion one morning and like someone flipped on a light switch, there was only one infinite ‘substance’, and it was me.

@Heart of Space ??

Misuse of power by the establishment.

@Heart of Space The things already mentioned in this thread don’t qualify?!?!

Picture boot camp, but a more subtle tearing down of human psyches over a broad span of time, by stripping away expression via dissolving privacy. Imagine the local small scale for frame of reference. If the police or military inappropriately inordinately locked down or took over your city, where would people meet to discuss, plan, unite? They wouldn’t. If that were the intention but no laws were broken (they totally have been already many times over) then this would be the most effective logical approach, and it’d have nothing to do with fear or conspiracy. Did you know the police can walk into your house without a warrant, take you, and detain you for the rest of your life, without notifying anyone and without any trial, and it is perfectly legal?

@electroBeam

Existence, nonexistence, nothing, everything, consciousness...all just ideas, concept, pointers to not-two.

Not “some people’s beliefs”...your beliefs.

Are you saying you fear a thought............about something...? Even in the recognition there isn’t that something...just the thought...? There was a monk long ago who heard a heavy urgent pounding on the front door of the monetary. He listened through the door and heard a man say “let me in!! I want to know this peace!!”. And the monk said through the door, “if we let you in, there won’t be this peace!” A few years ago I went to an exorcism. I wanted to see for myself. I knocked on the door and said “let me in! I wanna see this exorcism”. To which someone replied, “if we let you in there won’t be an exorcism!”. Sneaky people in there apparently. ?? It’s really about the letting go, the presence. Can’t see it in a video. ??

@levani By questioning if the fear is in regard to direct experience, or a thought. (It wasn’t an analogy.) Daily meditation...thoughts come & go. Awareness is aware of this, but is not acting, reacting, thinking, planning, questioning, etc, etc, etc. Thoughts are more seen through, or recognized as ‘just thoughts’. The spaciousness the thoughts arise in is then more pronounced, more present / presence / peace. The mind isn’t running the show as much. The thought of demons & exorcisms comes & goes. The set up is recognized, that the thoughts were believed. The punchline is felt, that it was just thoughts. Those thoughts arise on the trip, and there is much laughter. Yes. Good call. ? Meditation. ??

@abrakamowse Check and see.

It’s objectively funny. Laughter is the best medicine. Essentially innocently unchecked ‘beliefs’.

@levani I would address the thoughts & beliefs which don’t feel good about the demons & exorcisms, rather than make any attempt to correct or suppress with psychedelics, and consider then suppressing the effects of the psychedelic with something like an adrenaline shot. (Imo) the aligned mindset with the anticipated effect of a psychedelic is letting go. You are currently holding tight. Daily morning meditation addresses the thought attachment and brings much clarity to experience. ‘Real’ letting go is discovered, very very very important ‘tool’ for a trip. You can do this with psychedelics, but it (just in my opinion) would be tripping without a proper foundation, which can be a discouraging & frustrating experience.