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@roopepa I do not mean this sarcastically... but the best thing is probably t completely forget it. Insights tend to sudden just ‘pop’ in the mind which is emptied of the inquiry. The intention to “get it” is more than ample. Source will do what source does so well.

@VeganAwake ?

@James123 Yep, yep and yep. It could even be said there’s not even “enlightenment”, as that’d require another self which is not enlightened / enlightenment, but of course, this can’t really be ‘said’ either. Talking to myself, and Talking To Myself lol. ???

?? ‘Me’, is a thought. ?? Yep, awareness is... aware. “Real” is just another thought, like, “unreal”. Awareness is aware both of these thoughts. Because awareness is aware of these thoughts...these thoughts can not actually be about, or define or label in any way, the awareness which is aware, and prior to, the thoughts. Don’t look to become awareness, or more aware, etc. In the most ordinary plainest sense, simply notice awareness is aware. ?? Exactly. Even if you did, the very same awareness would be aware of that thought or image as well. Woah. Slow down meow. ‘Body’ is a thought. Awareness is aware of this thought. ‘Failure’ is a thought. Awareness is aware of this thought. How does this thought, ‘failure’, feel to awareness? Is awareness ‘saying’ hell yes, or, hell no? Go by feeling, intuition, your direct experience so to speak. Awareness letting you know there is this thing you believe in called ‘failure’, or not? Is awareness believing that thought along with “you”, or not? Is awareness “going there”, or is there the experience, of the discord, of awareness “not going there with ‘you’ ”? Usually folks kinda make a fist, and then extend the index finger towards something. Do that to the “you” that’s being talked about. Exhibit A: ?? If you can’t point to a thought.... And you can’t point to a “yourself”.... Then what are you talking about when you say “my mind”, who’s mind? “Make me overall connected”, who ya talking about? “I sense a truth”, who does? “I feel that”, who does? ”the right way for me”, who’s that you’re talking about? Liberation is in the details. Inspect every ‘movement’. This inspecting is literally effortless awareness being aware.

@machiavelli What in direct experience is unchanging?

“I think”, “my mind”, “me overall more connected”, “I feel”, “way for me”. This thinking all seems to center around an individual, but does believing thoughts about a separate self make a separate self... or are you as awareness aware of these thoughts, about a ‘me’? Can you point to that ‘me’ the thoughts are about? If not, what is being said to approach? What is thought to be approached? Is it possible to inspect the actuality of validity of these thoughts, prior to believing and expressing them?

There’s no “density”. It’s intended humorously, a parable on mass.

Because there is not two.

Your dog does not want to have sex with you. It’s not thinking. You have to embrace paradox.

Touché.

A long time ago I had a dream that I was going to die, but when I woke up I was relieved that it was a dream. Nothing happened when I woke up. Happenings were also of the dream. No thing dreams things. A thing can not dream no thing, as no thing is dreaming things.

@Heart of Space I love & respect you as well. ?? Perhaps if it is thought your love is not felt all the way over here, think again, or better yet, thoughtlessness.

Please stop hurting each other.

@Heart of Space Rationalizing behaviors and actions. The love we feel is the love that is God. The discord we feel is the love that is God.

@Heart of Space I’m not criticizing. You use the words ‘my friend’, yet would stab me in the back and get me fired. Calling this a “state of being” is rationalizing. More so, saying this is “what God needs” is meta rationalizing.

“Narcissism is the pursuit of gratification from vanity or egotistic admiration of one's idealised self-image and attributes.” Neither a narcissist nor narcissism are found in feeling or perception. Belief, justification, and rationalization don’t make it otherwise. It is the projection of thought attachment onto perception, such that there is a shark, a narcissist, or a my narcissism.

Not so. Seems so, but isn’t. When narcissism is identified with, such as ‘my’, that is from the perspective of there being a separate self, a subject object relational veil of experience. Yet still, language only indicates.

Not really. So to speak, I’d say for every finite mind which utilizes the psychedelic experience to further delude into inflation and infatuation of self image via self referential thinking, there are hundred’s which experience disillusionment. And it’s only grey at that. I try to be mindful to keep foundation (“foundation”) in convo’s too, precisely because of what you’re saying. Depends how it’s sized up. It could also be said for each one on this forum, exploring practices, inspecting thought, and experiencing psychedelics, there are over a hundred million solid lifelong sleepers. Very hard to point to but... would you rather justify and rationalize, or have a solid cry and release? Me too. Imagine being in the opposite shoes. It’s easy to love, not caring about thoughts, seeing thoughts don’t belong to anyone. Not so easy when / while it’s not so easy. Psychedelics may be only experience, sure. But ever experience one talking about them, ‘who’ hasn’t even experienced them? That clarity alone is worthwhile. Just opinion here. Get’s loopy quick! ? (not really). In regard to that “more are lost on the path”, I would suggest, more adopt and contribute to co-creating / spreading the belief that psychedelics lead to enlightenment, and or that enlightenment is going to change their life or their clarity of emotional experience, or reduce monkey mind, or heal, etc. Analogously perhaps, taking a lunch break is great. Does it get anything done (so to speak), no it doesn’t. Same ‘work’ is still there to be addressed.

@Someone here Feel different? I feel like ya feel different, the done fuckin around kind. ?? Wouldn’t rule out psychedelics btw. Yes, it’s experience, appearance, but also best rides in the park. Well being, and no self referential beating up, absolutely none, no matter what, comes to mind. Happy and excited for ya brother.

Maybe there aren’t smaller and bigger people, in that sharky sense. Might be a bubble in the lens so to speak.

This does not sound like the good shade of crazy my man. There’s not knowing what you’re talking about, and there’s also not knowing what you’re talking about.

That would be awesome! Anytime.

@blankisomeone Because there isn’t an actual observation process.

@ilja What was the implication?

Yes, it’s being yourself, the unconditional true nature. Doesn’t make for much of a process though.