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I guess Leo could show more of himself so that people idealize him less. At the moment we are limited to seeing him under very controlled conditions where he can basically put forth his ideas from the perspective of a teacher and less so how he is in his personal life. This leads to people constructing ideas about him that idealize him, because they tend to assume Leo is a perfect follower of his own teachings. To mitigate this he could be more authentic to who he is as a human being prior to who he is as a teacher. This would obviously compromise his authority to a certain degree which comes with it's own problems as far as the overall message goes. For example he would be letting go of the control of this community which might lead to it taking on it's own cult dynamics which he would not be able to control anymore. It also might lead to people being less attracted to his teachings and so forth. Basically what Leo is balancing is his trust in the Divine vs trust in his own strategic planning (which in essence is the same). Submitting himself fully to love would require to fearlessly embrace his own authentic self, with the risk of his creation falling prey to the Devil. To attempt to create the uncorruptable requires fear of being corrupted. There is still a subtle attachment to the form his creation is supposed to take. The chimp still wants to control for it believes to know better than Reality itself. Look at the radical love of Reality itself. It is so selfless it does not care about being corrupted whatsoever. It is fully willing to be ultimately corrupted. That is the true sacrifice, the true love. It might be too radical for even the enlightened chimp mind to accept. At some point one has to let go. At some point one can only watch ones own creation attempt to figure it out itself. This is precisely what we are doing here. There is noone to tell the birds about God. The bird is just here, on it's own, needing to figure things out by itself. Noone will teach it Divinity.

@bejapuskas @d0ornokey That's precisely how Spiral Dynamics works. Seeing the limitations of Orange and being forced to accept ideas coming from Green. It is how I transitioned myself. The suffering caused by Orange is the perfect catalyst for transitioning to green.

I took a bath some days ago and it once more hit me how impossible all of existence is. Altered states are not necessary to see the impossibility and truly mysterious nature of all things common. It's hard to put it into words, but you can clearly see how absurdly weird even the most fundamentaly aspects of our being are. The most fundamentaly, unthinkably common things are utterly impossible. The visual field itself, with colors, shapes, seperation, size and all aspects for which we have found no words for, they are literally magic itself. It is completely insane, it cannot be put into words how impossible it is, how utterly weird and miraculous. The fabric which upholds "physical reality" or "mind" is simply inexplicable. To all the gross and subtle things, that which swims between them, that which gives continuity, it is without question completely and fully mysterious. I much prefer to see the impossible in the common rather than be surprised by the mysterious nature of the uncommon. If you were given a new dimension of existence to experience, or what we call a new Sense, you would instantly realize the impossibility of it. You would immediately realize the limitlessness of existence. But that is not necessary at all. And moreover it will not give you insight into the utterly absurd nature of the things that are most common to you. The things so common you do not even have a name for them. The things so utterly common no human being has ever found a word for it. If you see the utterly impossible nature of the most common, the uncommon will be nothing but an extention of the common. And the common will be the utterly mysterious and impossible. There is state of realization that I cannot quite find a word for it. It is like seeing Logic itself, all states of existence which to us seem so common that it is inconceivable to even imagine them to be of other nature. Seeing that very clearly, and seeing that it is utterly mysterious. That it is not how things have to be, but simply how they are. Seeing the impossibility of their presence to such a degree that you feel like you might go insane just by looking at it for any longer. Being so aware of them that you can identify their waving nature... Holy shit, I just realized the word I was looking for is Illusion. This is Illusion. You look so deeply at the thing most common that you realize their illusiory nature. And Illusion is magical, it is utterly mysterious and impossible. Looking at it with such intensity that you feel like the Illusion might fall apart and that you might never come back. I have not yet developed the courage to continue looking at it. Whenever I try I feel dreadful. It feels like it could be so final that I would never come back. It feels like literally going insane. No, it rather feels like one is becoming so sane that the common, the world itself, would become pure insanity. That one would not be able to escape the mysterious nature of all things, the impossibility of it. And there is a sense that the full realization of the impossibility of it will actually render all of it non-existent.

Yeah, very effective teachings. It's cool to see what actual Eastern Wisdom manifests as when it is not simply read in some books but deeply studied with the people who live it every day. I never heard of the Ayurveda stuff before. It seems like I'm a Vata. Does anyone have deeper knowledge on this topic or some books to recommend?

It is simple: Accept Low Consciousness. That means stopping to call it Low Consciousness. That means to stop judging it. That means to see the Divinity and Absolute Necessity of all that Is. There is no such thing as low or high consciousness unless you imagine it. How to deal with Low Consciousness requires there to be Low Consciousness. If you want to deal with Low Consciousness, you shall forever deal with Low Consciousness. You are dealing with Low Consciousness because you desire to deal with Low Consciousness. You desire to struggle, otherwise you would not be struggling.

Death is part of evolution. Evolution cannot know mercy, because if it did there would be no life left on this planet. Death, corruption and extinction is an integral part of the evolution of all life. Corruption is a feature not a mistake. Could there be life without suffering? An interesting question, but it does not matter at all, because there can be life with suffering. That is the entire point. The tool works perfectly fine, there is nothing wrong with it. Infact, the wrongness of it is precisely the point and genius of the tool. The tool which arises continously despite in it's own nature seeking to dissolve itself. The design is unfathomably intelligent. Whenever someone talks of devirly, it can only be the devil who speaks, as the Divine knows no such thing as devilry. Is that not beautiful? The Devil is the one who seeks to destroy itself. Yet it also seeks to uphold itself. In both forms the devils denies to be the devil, because without the devil there would be Nothing. That is one aspect of the divine balance. The desire to fight devilry is necessarily devilry, no matter how sophisticated of an philosophical position you may construct to hide that fact. The Source generates devilry and the fight of devilry in a perfectly appropriate manner. It makes no difference between the two, and it is blind to the individual consequences of it. All life on this planet will eventually be extinguished because of the very tools of nature that allowed it to exist. Much like entire species go extinct due to the balancing act of nature, all life on this planet will eventually end. This is not unfortunate, because the metaphysics which makes this happen is precisely what allows it to exist in the first place. What you do not see in your myopia is that even if the divine balancing act itself will end all life on this planet, that same balance will allow for trillions upon trillions of other planets to prosper. Without the balancing act, no planet would prosper, with the balancing act, most planets will fail and the fittest will thrive. We can see this in evolution. Most species fail eventually. This is evolution. Most life on most planets will fail. And only that will allow for those few to continue to exist. But eventually even they will dissolve aswell. The important part about this is that it is beyond intelligent. This can only truly be accepted from the perspective of the Divine. The rules which govern this reality give rise to life. They give rise to evolution. Evolution kills 99.99999999...% of all forms and species. Yet the small amount which is able to continue is all that matters, because in the totality of this reality even the smallest survival percentage will lead to Infinite Diversity of Life. There is no difference between 100% surviving and 0.0001% surviving. Any number times Infinity will equal Infinity. This is why the Divine has a Total indifference towards the outcome of Life on this planet. Because the balancing act, corruption, suffering, death, extinction is what will ensure the thriving of Infinite Beings, in a way such that they all will return to the Source eventually. It does not matter whether or not all life on this planet will go extinct. Infact the balancing act of reality might already declared it to be inevitable. We might have taken the wrong evolutionary path thousands of years ago, leading us to the inevitable demise. The rules however which lead to our demise are exactly the rules which will make infinite other planets, species, beings, civilizations and beyond bask in the Infinite diversity of consciousness. Infinite Diversity requires Infinite sacrifice. Devilry is perfection, it is a feature, it is necessary in all of it's forms. There is no amount of it that is unnecessary or required to be fought, called out or spoken against, other than the amount that is and will be fought, called out or spoken against. There is no difference between devilry and any other such thing that calls out devilry for what it is. Both of them are the play of balance which leads to infinite sacrifice, which leads to infinite diversity. To truly accept this would be to dissolve completely, like all life that has ever lived and will ever live. There is only the struggle so far as it is part of the eternal balance. Try to grasp this, all that you are experiencing right now. The colors, the smells, the thoughts, the memories, the world. All of it. Look at it's impossibility, look at how each aspect is undeniably impossible. Sacrifice is the method through which all of this came to be. Sacrifice which from the perspective of the one who is making that sacrifice is no sacrifce at all, but a pure act of Creation. True Creativity requires all the "bad" ideas to be put aside so one can create attention. Attention is required for cohesion, cohesion is the nature of the world. In the end the is that which is incomprehensible. That which gives rise to understanding itself.

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I've been wondering about something Leo said a few times now. He claims he has reached levels of consciousness or aspects of awakening that he has read in no book or heard any teacher speak of. What exactly is he referring to? So far what Leo is communicating to us does not seem to me like it is something books and other teachers do not talk about. And if he cannot communicate these levels of consciousness, why then does he expect other teachers or books to communicate these levels of consciousness?

No, that was not my question at all. I tried clarifying it twice now, I will not do so again. My question had nothing to do with Leo's way of teaching or how effective it is.

What you wrote has nothing to do with what I am investigating. If you imply that Leo is not mentioning the aspects he has discovered which lack in other teachings, then I do not see how it is rational to simply trust Leo that he has discovered anything that is deeper than other teachings. It might be valid from Leo's perspective, but from ours it would be cultlike to simply trust Leo in his words until he does not clearly communicate these aspects. If they are incommunicable, my point still stands as to how Leo could possibly know he has reached deeper levels than other teachers if these deeper levels cannot be communicated whatsoever.

You guys are missing the central point of my inquiry. Leo is claiming that what he discovered no other teacher talks about or that he is understanding it far deeper than other teachers. Yet, in information Leo is relaying to us I have not discovered a single thing that was not yet talked about. I need either evidence of something specific Leo is communicating that no other teacher is communicating, and it has to be able to be formulated into an idea, or I need an explanation for how Leo can know his depth of understanding is greater if what he says cannot be communicated which would apply to all other teachers aswell and therefore would mean Leo could not possibly know the depth of other teachers who from an outside perspective look the same at his. If the greater depth understanding of Leo cannot be formulated into a specific idea that is different in appearance from ideas that currently exist, it could not be possible for Leo to tell whether or not his understanding is deeper than any other understanding, because it would not be possible to differentiate the depth of understanding on the basis of the appearance of the ideas. This thread it not about Leo being more advanced or not, or how effective his way of communicating is. I am not interested in that. I am interested in how Leo could possibly make such a claim if his teachings are identical in appearence with that of other teachings. We therefore must establish A) A clear difference in the teachings that can be observed by an outsider (like something Leo is specifically talking about that most other teachings are not talking about) or B) How it could be possible for Leo to gage how deep another teaching is if the presence of further depth does not manifest in the form of the teachings themselves.

I found the counterpart to Jordan Peterson. He is doing the same thing but in such a healthy way. He is Eastern Philosophy/Religion instead of Western, this video is basically what all of Jordan Peterson's appeal boils down to: He is specifically targeting the Gamer/Incel groups and is a much better option for those people than someone like Peterson in my opinion. This understanding is exactly what is lacking in our current society and why people like Peterson are so popular.

You might simply have gut issues, this is well known and well researched. Do a Sibo test and get your gut biome checked, once that is complete the doctor will tell you what you need to do to fix it. Plants giving your problems and having to avoid them is not functional and implies that something is wrong with your health. The Peterson's are known for spreading misinformation, they are the epitome of someone trying to be an expert in a field they are no experts in. To say the diet has no downside is in my opinion quite ignorant. Just because of a single person or in fact a collection of people, who have health issues in the first place, going plant free causing them to feel better, does not mean the diet they are on has no downsides, it simply means the underlying health issues are being avoided and not being fixed. Imagine there was a condition which would require you to smoke all day long so that some terrible symptoms would go away. The fact that the symptoms go away from smoking does not mean smoking is good for you inherently or that it has no down sides. A lot of people in here are spreading dangerous misinformation. You guys have basic epistemological incompetence, if you do not fix that you will go through life like a blind chicken.

In my opinion we are past the usefulness of the anti-art movements as they currently stand. By trying desperately to go against tradition and create new trends, you have yourself become part of a trend which is inauthentic to your own true expression. It's useful to explore it, but I find it very boring at this point. If your authentic expression is to be against something, I am not that interested. It's similar to the phenomena of left leaning people hating the rich, but not at all caring about the poor. Being anti-rich, anti-elite and so forth, instead of being pro-worker, pro-human, pro-poor. I prefer the mind to focus on that which it loves, not that which it hates. You will get what you focus on. Look at the anti-theists or the anti-religion people. In all their blind hate, they have deconstructed foundational institutions which gave rise to civilization itself. They have deconstructed it with no vision and no desire to construct something better, as all their attention was put to destroying that which they hate and find appalling. If traditional boundaries are a obstruction to your own authentic vision, to your own authentic expression, go ahead and explore new ways of defining and doing things. But if all you do is putting your focus on the traditional boundaries and having confused it with your authentic expression, you have become what you yourself want to destroy. You have become the rules which you seek to destroy, you have become that which became your sole object of attention. This is why it is so boring and lifeless to witness these artists. They are like communists who only seek to destroy capitalism but do not even have a clue as to what they want to truly replace it with, other than the absence of the capitalistic structures. It is so boring, it literally kills people.

Does anyone have a proper ressource for breathing techniques and what specifically they are designed for? Or in general a ressource on what kind of breathing rythms are associated with what kind of mental states and so forth?

First I would recommend to just do it. The first strategic mistake you are making here is to rely on the advice of others. The process of figuring out how to strategize is in itself strategizing and will make you better at strategizing. Ask yourself questions and contemplate them, try things out, if they don't work you can adjust them. Later when you have a process you can integrate outside methodes. Also Leo made a video on strategy specifically:

What about general Yoga techniques and practices? Is there no collection of all the practices that include things like Kaya Sthairyam and so forth, terms that you don't really hear in western mainstream yoga? When looking for Yoga I only find the bastardized western versions of it.

I have recently found out about the concept of Dharma, I think it is related to what I have been trying to describe. The Cosmic Order is beyond all individual morality, yet individual morality is a reflection of the Cosmic Order. Within the core of all Cosmic things there can be found a root to Ṛta. I think we can be limited when coming from a nihilistic western philosophy paradigm, which seems to be putting no relevance to this aspect of the worldly dream. There will be no Enlightened Civilization without Dharma. Dharma is in essence the way in which the Cosmos allows for consciousness to expand. Within the dream, Dharma is the foundation upon which Transcendence stands. Not because of Good and Evil, but simply because this is the way it is. It is the way the Divine expressed itself in this dimension of the Cosmos. Acting against Ṛta is not possible.

Yes. The chirping of the bird can be the chirping of the dinosaur: A bird is not just frantic and cute, it is also a patient dinosaur swimming through the air.

When a child is told a lie, you can teach it the way to discover the lie for itself. Otherwise, what will become of the child if it were to simply belief your story about the lie? I think there is a deeper dynamic going on. The desperate attempt of avoid the formation of religion might be misguided. Religion will form one way or the other, the minds which form religion can do so from any place they want. I don't feel like this is mere devirly, I think this is intentional, it is contributing to the workings of the greater dynamics. I would simply surrender my teachings, for the uncorruptable spark among corruption is a thing of beauty. Imagine if the teachings of Chirst, of Buddha, of Teotl would have not formed religions? Would you have ever heard of them? And what other teachings would have formed religions? Religion allowed a spark of the Divine to tremble throughout history, throughout civilizations, throughout all kinds of people. It allowed for those who seek the spark to find it. It allowed for the uncorruptable among the corrupted. In my view this as Divine WIsdom, The child, whether you want to or not, cannot help but hear a lie even when you speak the truth. There is no point in rushing the development of the child, or to protect it desperately from corruption. All you can do is give proper guidance, a guidance which is appropriate for the child. If you look at the workings of the Divine, can you not see it's ultimate patience and compassion? It does not seem like it is fearful of creating religions, or avoiding corruption. In a way it does even encourage it. In the end it knows that the uncorruptable cannot be corrupted. There is always a balance to be found. I don't think our teachings are in our control. They flow with the currents of the world, corruption is inevitable. I don't see the point in avoiding it. When the teachings come from a place of Love, compassion and understanding, I think it does not matter where they end up. The teachings of Chirst are like water, they have adapted to it's surroundings. This was completely out of Chirst's control. The water took the form of it's environment because it is water. This is how the water survives, it is why water is indestructable. You cannot destroy water, you can merely change it's expression.

Sometimes the way you guys try to teach others feels very brute force. It's like a math teacher trying to teach calculus to a first grader. The mind which cannot carry Truth will not be able to accept it. To tell Truth to the smaller mind means to give the Devil the greatest gift. Taking the spark of God, carrying it into the depths of the Devil's Den. You do not reveal the spark of God to the Devil, for the Devil will tremble in terror and flee. Do not pluck the plant into the ground and expect a new one to grow. First, nourish the plant, see it grow tall and strong in the aid of the sun and the rain. Then, wait patiently for it to give you seeds, for only then you will be able to grow a whole new plant. The egg must first become the chick, the chick must then become the bird and the bird must then learn to fly. You are expecting the egg to fly. A small mind needs nourishment. It requires appropriate challenge to grow. The master does not need words to teach, as words are the way of the Devil. Instead, a true master simply acts lovingly, for an Act of Love is something even the Devil will be hard pressed to deny. To be among an Act of Love is nourishment for the smaller mind. Love is patient. Watch the way of the Divine. Billions upon billions of years. Have you ever seen the Divine stress out over Enlightenment? Have you seen the Divine reject the corruption of the Greatest Teachings? Of course not, for Divine is wise beyond all measure. Itnourishes the egg, an act of Love. It let's the chick stumble into the world, an act of Love. It watches the chick grow into a bird, an act of Love. It finally sees the bird fly, or fall to the ground, an act of Love. There is no rushing to the end. To give the Devil the Truth in word is to throw the egg and expect it to fly. @Serotoninluv Observe very carefully the path you have taken. Watch the very footprints which you have taken to arrive at where you are. Realize that one step must be taken after another. A thousand small steps are worth more than one great jump. Study the workings of the Divine. Do you see "Love!" written on the trees? The teachings of the Divine are far more wise. The speech of Truth is the most primitive, not the most advanced. When the Divine speaks to us, it does so without our knowledge that it is the Divine. It tickles us, it nudges us. There is but a mere subtle breeze. And look how far that breeze has gotten us. From creatures who crawl among the mud, to creatures which explore the great Mind of the Divine. The Divine has taught us simply by being present. By being present to the fullest degree possible. It let's us be the child so that we one day we could be the adult. It saw the beauty in our primitive state, as it knew that it was that very state which would allows us to outgrow it. When you speak to a child, you speak to it in the language of the child. You do not force it to understand the language of the adults. For the child must first be a child to ever outgrow itself. When you do this right, the child might grow curious, and one day it will seek the language of the adults all by itself. Don't make the mistake of trying to teach all the children, when you have yet to learn to teach the one child infront of you. A child needs much attention, a child needs Love. Watch the attention and presence the Divine has given you. It was without end, it gave you All of it. There was not a moment in your life in which it has abandoned you. This is what allowed you to grow, this is what allowed the egg to become the flying bird. True attention, true compassion, true understanding. What happens when we speak to the child in the language of adult?

What do you guys think? Delusion and attention seeking or is it truthful? Or maybe it is something inbetween?

I am only saying this because I feel like there is a tendency to focus too much on the relativity, I notice a lot of people falling into excessive relativism. The kind of consciousness that is required to truly transcend morality is profoundly rare and in my view most people delude themselves into ideology instead of actually discerning the truth for themselves as a result of true curiousity. This is only possible in a situation where moral choices hold little to no weight. In a high cost environment this kind of relativism would tend to be regrounded into a more integral perspective. While the high cost environment also tends to limit ones identity, that is precisely the challenge that is needed for a healthy transition through the spiral. There are a ton of people who basically get stuck at stage green level of understanding morality and project it onto the higher stages. To truly transcend morality would mean to transcend identification while being tortured to death. It does not mean to simply call morality relative while still holding onto ones own particular framework like a tick. When morality is not closely inspect as an object of consciousness, it allows the ego to reject the intellectual framework while the underlying objects of consciousness that actually constitude morality still remain. For example, one could continue to judge, to create goodness and badness and simply deny that it is in essence morality. For example, one gets annoyed in traffic, but when confronted about the consequences of ones actions and the terrible suffering that comes with it for other beings, one will quickly pull the relativistic card to avoid responsibility. This is only possible in a time in which we do not experience the consequences of our actions. If the same kind of suffering would be inflicted on the person getting annoying in traffic, they would very quickly think about when they pull the relativity card. Someone who is getting tortured and is so beyond identification that they accept that state of mind are in my mind at a proper place to pull that card in a meaningful way. Everything else to me is more about suiting the egos needs than actually having any insight into the illusiory nature of morality. The great thing about reality is that it has it's way of regrounding people who delude themselves. Apathy is not the same as relativity, yet relativity is apathy's greatest friend. To truly test one's insight into the relativity of morality, one has to do it out of a place of compassion and empathy. This is the only way one can see whether one is deluding oneself or not.

This is only true if looked at from a limited relativistic perspective. The wholistic experience of suffering for one person, if to be integrated as that exact experience of suffering into another persons experience, will be judged equally as bad, as the judgement itself is part of the wholistic experience of suffering. The only reason why people disagree on what is bad is because of their limited perspective. And to say someone enlightened does not judge is because he removed goodness and badness from his experience. If you remove redness and blueness from your experience, redness and blueness will cease to be part of it. Good and Bad is not found in the intellectual framework of how we come to produce these experiences, but in the experiences themselves. Red and blue are also things that mind "invented" to aid survival. Does that mean red and blue does not exist, in any meaningful sense of the word? Does it mean that red and blue cannot be integrated into a healthy consciousness? In other words, is it possible to retain the essential nature of the framework of morality and yet not include it in ones identity? Or is the loss of identity a loss of morality too? The reason why find this relativistic perspective so limited is because it implies that morality, or the essence that matters to us, which is goodness and badness, are not attributes of any situation or object that we conflate it with. While that is true, it does not mean that goodness and badness do not exist, they exist as much as warmth and cool, white and black and so forth. To agree on what is right and wrong would be like agreeing what is warm and cool. Nothing is warm outside of the experience of warmth. This is the fundamental delusion that I think needs to be pointed out. It is not "Nobody agrees on what is warm, therefore warmth does not exist!"

Morality is not seperate from process of the discovery of Oneness, especially on the scale and workings of the greater super-structures of societies and civilizations. The egoic structure of society will not allow the expansion of identity if the structure itself does not support it. This is why Ultimate Identity on the scale of civilizations cannot be achieved before the structure has not evolved. The beautiful thing that is being evolved towards is structure that can uphold Ultimate Identity, or Non-Identity. A perfect balance between survival and No-self identity. Structures which do not evolve towards this goal are being dissolved. To the greater egoic structure, individual enlightenment can be a threat to it's eventual evolution towards collective enlightenment. The dissolution of identity cannot happen too quickly, because if it does Survival Structures more robust than it will simply take over and take it's place.