mostly harmless

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  1.  What is a law? A law is required to direct actions. Does the universe ask a physics book what to do? These 'laws' of nature are meant to help human's understanding of the physical world. What we regard as laws of nature is just our current understanding. It happens occasionally that previous models of how the world works are replaced by new ones. That much to how solid laws of nature are. Not absolute.

    As I understand your question you ask yourself, if awareness is the biggest container of reality, then the physical world must be inside it and its rules must be set by awareness. Is that how you think of it? Maybe the physical world is not something within awareness. I would indeed suggest it isn't. Otherwise, why would awareness appear in the physical world, if the physical world is in principal already contained within awareness? My understanding is that it is a misunderstanding to assume that the physical world does not exist on its own outside of awareness.

    Awareness in an empty universe would not be able to be aware of anything. There needs to be something happening to be aware of. Awareness is not any thing. It is a space. In that space something can be. Like a universe with planets and suns and stuff. If that space is empty though, awareness would be in a dark, silent, eternal emptiness. It would be asleep.

     


  2. On 6. Februar 2017 at 3:29 PM, see_on_see said:

    Because consciousness is infinite, and has to include everything to be infinite. Including manifestation of the world of form.

    It’s not that consciousness “produces stuff”, everything is just there, always, eternally, simultaneously, as part of boundless infinity.

    Your understanding of language and logic is too different from mine for me to have any meaningful discussion with you. But that's OK. :)

    But I'd like to express that you insinuate meaning in my posts when you have no idea what I am communicating because your palette of possible meanings is too limited. 


  3. On 4. Februar 2017 at 9:50 AM, PureExp said:

    @mostly harmless All good questions. I can give you some "canned" answers, but I guess it will be better if you experience it yourself directly.

    It all starts with answers to questions like "who am I?" and "what this apparently external and separate world is?" You are in a right forum to start.

    Well, as far as I am aware, I am not something that manifests through a CPU.

    What you write is generally vague and gives the impression like there was no connection between a biological life form and the consciousness of it. To me it seems evident that there is: Humans lose consciousness temporarily when sleeping for example. Also drugs allegedly have mind altering effects.  

    In my estimation, not every inanimate object in the world is conscious. Obviously, when you look as the totality of the physical world as one entity, the perspective is very different, so different, that it makes no sense to ask for consciousness of any part of it. That however, wasn't what I was discussing in my initial posting, but rather zooming in on one specific part of totality. 

     


  4. 18 hours ago, PureExp said:

    Any material system, including the brain, cannot produce consciousness. Matter is generated by consciousness, not the other way round. Consciousness is fundamental, not matter, and hence a suitable material arrangement will express its experience of its essence, its ground, as consciousness, the witness of it all, just like we do in the form of human bodies and brains.

    Why then would consciousness express its experience through a material form if it wasn't for a connection of consciousness and matter? Is there a connection? What kind? Could consciousness instantiate itself in the physical world in an inanimate object like a stone? If so, why would consciousness then still need a complex life form or a complex technical device like a computer?


  5. 18 hours ago, PureExp said:

    Aren't you assuming that computers will remain just like they are now, boxes with circuits? Say after ten thousand years, what will a computer look like?. We are only about 50 years into their evolution.

    I am interested in what computers currently are. Some major proponents of singularity basically think it is only a question of computational power. My estimation is that this is incorrect.

    If in the future we have a different device, that is more than an "Analytical Engine", and people still call it computer, then it will be something different than what we call a computer today.  I don't see any point in discussing this now.


  6. 4 hours ago, PureExp said:

    If you assume that there is something "special" in organic matter, or that it comes with an added "soul", you will be in a big trouble providing any evidence for it. And the question remains, because one can easily make an "artificial soul". From what? Soul matter of course :)

    The belief that a machine cannot be conscious comes from an assumption that the machine needs to "generate" consciousness. Its only a belief, and is a stupid one. It has origin in ancient belief that humans/living things are made of "special matter"

    This is a suggestion based on a misunderstanding on your part. The difference is in what a computer does versus what a brain does. A computer can only compute. Any action or activity that cannot be done by calculation cannot be performed by a computer.  


  7. On 1. Februar 2017 at 10:26 PM, Leo Gura said:

    Once you realize that everything is consciousness, including the sidewalk, your coffee table, and your PC, you might be more open to the possibility that a PC can develop self-awareness.

    From my current understanding, consciousness can involve itself to create anything.

    Of course a self-aware computer will probably not be one running Windows. It will have to be much more sophisticated.

    This issue is an open question. We simply don't know yet whether it is or is not possible.

    The Japanese traditionally have this idea of the world being an organism and everything being 'alive', I think. If that's correct then that would explain how they are very open to robots. 

    However you most likely think of consciousness as something different than I do. Same label, different content.

    Do you have something like this in mind with what you are writing?: