Schizophonia

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  1. Posted

    12 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

    Tate is a total narcissist full stop, he luv's himself more than anything, and goes out to make others luv him too which enhances his ego and narcissism problem.. Loving Yourself is also a form of insanity and creates more ego problems!

    You're right, that doesn't contradict what I said.

    11 minutes ago, Butters said:

    That is not the definition. If that was the case they'd just sit at home with a mirror. 

    Lower stages have a lack of self love. As self love increases, ego dissolves. 

    Narcissism is excessive self-love; self-love in the sense that attention continually shifts to the most primitive objects of identification, such as your body, your history and so on instead of extending to other objects

    The problem with narcissism is not self-love itself  but a hostile relationship with "external" objects.

    Your self-love story is more true for neurosis

    You're joking about your mirror story but a narcissist is really like that lol, they like to look at themselves in the mirror, telling themselves how handsome and superior they are (just like me😏) etc.

  2. Posted · Edited by Schizophonia

    23 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    @Schizophonia You are lost in pedantry, missing the larger point of the examples.

    No you hypothesized that strong egos accomplish more, and I propose the antithesis: not only the difference between what a weak ego and a strong ego produce will be qualitative rather than quantitative, but a weak ego will actually produce denser things because the weaker an ego is the more it can dedicate its attention to dense external objects.

    Symbols capture attention, leaving less for the imagination of the self; this is what Lacan would call the supremacy of the symbolic order.

    And to support my example, I would say that the people you mentioned don't produce anything particularly beautiful or intelligent, and some are even heirs to wealthy families (Trump, Musk, and that Saudi prince already; I don't know about the others, but probably more or less).

    Resisting the Nazis and enduring torture like Jean Moulin requires very little ego.
    Spending decades working on nuclear fission like Marie Curie requires little ego.
    Being a great doctor/surgeon, sleeping poorly and constantly using caffeine to learn, and later caring for patients in a university hospital requires little ego.
    Being a great philosopher who produces many concepts—I won't list them, I have too many in my head—requires little ego.

    Being a good horseman or gardening and creating beautiful things requires little ego.

    All of these are truly accomplishments; beautiful and intelligent things, or simply things that make oneself and others happier.

    All the people you mentioned are, once again, heirs and/or swindlers, often with legal problems, and/or people who produce "meh" stuff that only losers consume.

    You haven't enriched your own thesis or even accepted mine; you've simply launched an ad hominem attack, calling me pedantic.

    Which is probably true to some extent since you find it logical to projecting that onto me, but that doesn't invalidate what I'm saying.

  5. Posted

    14 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

    Tate accomplished fame and fortune which the Ego luvs, that guy is a total Ego maniac narcissist lol its so obvious and ppl luv him because they look up to ppl like that as they see them as powerful and in control but its a disempowering persona and way to be for sure, those charges against and his bro are not there for nothing, its completely crazy how ppl are attracted to types like him, just goes to show how nuts our society has become!

    A cam business with girls that has earned him legal complaints, and a sale of "online formation"...

    Narcissism doesn't work, and if it does, it's usually a scam or a crappy business that worked out by sheer luck for the person involved; selling training courses, dropshipping, YouTube videos, sometimes even selling drugs (lol); always easy money.

    If you want to produce something of quality, something you'll truly be proud of, it requires embracing a love for the object, for a job well done, which is the opposite of narcissistic delusions.

     

  6. Posted · Edited by Schizophonia

    28 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    Not always.

    This is complex. It's not a simply one to one correlation.

    Ego and ambition are not identical.

    Because you're confusing ego with energy.

    And you're confusing the two because you're too identified with objects—I'd even say perspectives—that require a lot of ego like personal development, politics, before PUA etc.

    If you lack objects of libidinal investment you will lose energy; and that's what will happen if your ego drops a little because you will lose interest in these objects and will be lost.

    Healthier people/people with less ego do more holistic things, it's just the level of density of the objects that changes.

    Perhaps your dream would be to go to Montana and ride horses; becoming a horseman is a simple yet stylish accomplishment that suits people with a strong prefrontal cortex.

    Or making a video game since you've worked in that field; always a solid accomplishment.

  7. Posted

    12 minutes ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

    By which metric? He is an exiled apprentice Nazi, banned from public speech. Even Alex Jones does not want to see him. Addicted to nitrous oxide, he will probably be dead in the next 10 years or ruin his life even further. All he can appreciate in a woman is her capacity to serve as swimming pool arm floaties.

    Success is when you reach happiness and equanimity in your life. It has zero relation to money, sex, or status; those are bonuses to breathing in joy.

    If rich people are not happy, then what is money for?


     

    Fotrtunately that KENNY WEST, KIM KARSASHIAN, and OWEN COOK are on Earth with their big egos.

    What would we do without them xD

  8. Posted

    4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    Every example I gave accomplished a lot.

    Stop the nonsense.

    But it's rubbish stuff.

    And that's cherry-picking because you'll see that in any field those who do the most have a smaller ego.

    In philosophy for exemple --since that's my field-- I don't know anyone known for particularly having a big ego.

    Or they're precisely "modern philosophers" who are actually pretty bad.

  9. Posted · Edited by Schizophonia

    12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    Kanye West's success is very real.

    Yes but that's an isolated example and he's just a singer.

    You said that people with "small egos" do nothing whereas I say that on average they accomplish more because a small ego is correlated with a love of work.
    Metaphysically people don't like work because it's a loss of self.

    Moreover, what differentiates humans from chimpanzees is a much smaller ego and generally more pro-sociable behavior; and humans are much more intelligent and accomplish much more than chimpanzees.

    I think that by strong ego you basically means narcissism(and neurosis), that is to say using one's self-image as a libidinal object

  10. Posted

    10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    Irrelevant.

    Those are your values.

    No these are very real accomplishments.
    When you have surgery it's very real, when you do craftsmanship it's very real, when you write great books it's very real.

    Except for Musk (and you're the one who claims he has a particularly strong ego for some reason) this must be a compilation of the least useful and beloved personalities of the 21st century and strangely you present them as if they were great achievers lol.

     

  12. Posted

    4 minutes ago, hyruga said:

    Doctors also need to go through long working hours and pass through many tests. They would also need to learn complex stuff. All these require a certain amount of ego. Otherwise, they would just quit being a doctor and do a normal 9 to 5.

    Delete your "work" history; see yourself as attention shifting to one object or another, due to conditioning.
    To be a doctor, you need to enjoy shifting your attention to intelligent, holistic objects; holism is the quality of a "weak ego." If you prefer a more traditional profession, it's because you prefer having the time to shift your attention to other objects, generally of equal or lesser density.

    It's also difficult to speak of a "strong ego" since there are many objects with which the ego identifies, like a rhizome; there are dense objects that capture attention and less dense objects that allow attention to move higher in the holarchy, specifically to that group of objects.

    I could find a more effective way to describe this.

    So a person can be very intelligent when it comes to politics but the opposite when it comes to women or vice versa; to give an example.

  13. Posted · Edited by Schizophonia

    7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    Just look at examples of it:

    • Trump
    • Musk
    • Andrew Tate
    • Kanye West

    Only Musk amount the 4 has accomplished signifiant things and he doesn't have such a big ego; he's a fairly calm, open and hard-working guy.

    In any case, he is by far the one with the smallest ego of the 4 and the one who accomplishes the most.

  14. Posted

    23 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

    I would say the person with a weaker ego doesn't care about achievement as much, nor what others think, as ego is a social mechanism imo.. Probably introverts have weaker egos I think, extroverts stronger ones.. Its not like one is better than the other, its just depends on situations and other factors, one just has to be Aware of the Ego and turn it off when its not needed, if its always on it will get bigger which is not so good in the end...

    Probably not because introversion is associated with lower brain volume, autism, and most mental illnesses.

     

  15. Posted · Edited by Schizophonia

    14 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

    How would big or giant ego be defined?  As opposed to a small or tiny ego?  

    Degree of holism.
    By shifting your attention to larger holons it will automatically shift less attention to smaller ones, but you still gain that larger holon.

    So yes as I told Leo just to troll a little if you want to do not-so-intelligent things it's better to have a strong ego; If you want to do intelligent things it's better to have a weak ego.

    "Weak ego" in this definition doesn't mean low energy; the energy level is something else entirely.

    If you do nothing it means you have little subjective energy or you lose a lot of it because of repetitive behaviors, neurosis, learned helplessness... It's another thing.

  16. Posted

    2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    #1 factor in high achievement is ambition.

    No ambition, you will be remain a nobody.

    To write or read crappy self-help books, you need a strong ego, because otherwise you'd see the emptiness and it would bore you.

    To read or write great philosophy, or become a doctor—anything highly intelligent, complex, meticulous—you need a weak ego.

     

  22. Posted

    3 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

    I’ve been thinking this. I think Schzizophonia is one of the coolest humans on this earth right now. 
     

    Oh stop that i'm going to begin to blush.

    3 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

     

    I wouldn’t wanna do like him though practically , I couldn’t push myself to that level.

    Thoughts

    Ofc you can

     

  24. Posted

    1 minute ago, Elliott said:

    Race is made up, it's bizarre.

    Ethic group, call it as you want.

    1 minute ago, Elliott said:

    No 2 humans are the same, you can divide people into endless groups, and you can argue over 'who's white'.

    Of course individually most Black or Arab people are as approachable as anyone else.

    But collectively they are less so whatever the cause (genetics, culture and collective unconscious in general...), they commit more crimes and offenses, and people don't want to see their city ethnically replaced anyway because white people are too neurotic and impoverished to have children and because their city is full of migrants.

    But there's no racism here, it's not a question of hostility but simply of atavism.