Davino

Wow, where to begin? This is not a drug, and I can't even say it's a psychedelic. It feels like sobering up from a dream. It's not a high feeling or a trip, it's how things are when you are conscious and alive. I am very surprised and happy about malt, this is what I had been searching for. It really feels like my natural awakenings there is not this mystical psychedelic vibe to it, there is just consciousness and you can become more conscious and more awake. It really has this property of this is how things are, this is natural, this is real. This is probably what has surprised me the most, the no-drug vibes no-tripping, just awakening, just consciousness. The other aspect that I should also mention is the energetic demands. So I went to a physiotherapist prior to my trip and during the trip I had to work through energetic blockages. There was some nausea but everything was fine. Malt has given me some LSD vibes in the sense of energetic amplification and the feeling of "unblock and heal" within my body/being. I expect, as I use more the substance, to clear myself up from all blockages. It is clear that this is not the purpose of the trip. It's something that happens to purify and evolve the vessel to host higher consciousness. Or even better said, that higher consciousness is trying to be manifested but it finds blockages in the human form that need to be worked out, to make the flow of consciousness without resistance. I enjoyed how stable and interconnected my mind was during the trip. The fact of being no mind but from a full active mind standpoint was extremely satisfactory. I'm very intellectual and I have to confess that I loved how pure, stable and holistic my mind was during the trip. Nothing to do with loopy thoughts of classic psychedelics. I had the consciousness and also accessed it by other methods but malt's clarity is outstanding. It's what you really want and not any distracting meaningless other phenomena going on. About plugging: It works great for me and I'll use it in the future. It's just mental resistance to put something in your ass but I didn't even notice it. It's easier than what you would think. It gave me some mild stomach discomfort but I don't know if it's just the malt, the working of energetic blockages or the plugging. Overall conclusion: This is the Holy Grail of my life's search. This is the tool that I'll be using in my work for years to come. Thank you Leo, you really made the difference.

When in the mid of all this you practise sadhana in order to realize your Self, or rather, when by God’s Grace sadhana comes about, - for to be able to engage in sadhana is itself the Grace of God - then, after having worked through layers and layers of ignorance, you discover: "I am in fact the whole". I am - this is why there are trees and plants, and everything that exists, however manifold. Every single form is in fact "I". Where I am conscious of separateness, my natural expression is to want. Even in this condition, I am infinite. In the very form of the human body lie moods of endless variety and numberless modes of expression. Indeed, all existing forms are infinite, and I am likewise infinite. ~ WORDS OF SRI ANANDAMAYI MA TRANSLATED AND COMPILED BY ATMANANDA

I haven't experienced fully any of that but I do have some clues. The no other experience seems very plausible, i've had some glimpses but I am aware that you can go magnitudes of order deeper. For me it has been just micromoments of everything is inside me, all is the same reality in different forms. I really enjoy the concept of solipsism, it gives me great peace but it's also hard to deal with it in a human sense, it all depends on the state of consciousness you are in. About time freezing this is something you should be able to access naturally. If you are progesing and becoming more conscious this happens in of itself. Deconstructing space is a much harder task but its also more mindbending. About walking on water, I would say not to focus on this type of contemplation. But for the sake of clarity I would like to make a distinction between siddhi and shakti. Siddhis manifest out of your spiritual work, like intense yoga, concentration, visualization, breathing... On the other hand, Shaktis manifest out of your own consciousness. You are in a extremely high state of consciousness and from that state you spontanously and efortlessly manifest something which does not fall into the constrictions of other states of consciousness. All has it's place in reality but this distinction can cut through many ilusions and dogma. The ideal would be to explore your own omnipotence as God.

Yes, sure it will be a nice experiment. It's different than with classic psychedelics, I felt in my full capabilities but just much more conscious. I would be more grounded and loving in my iteractions with other people and probably feel much more connected to reality. It also has this sense of generated world, like you are in videogame that only loads your surrounding areas, well something like that but with consciousness generating the world up to your experience and there is nothing else outside, unless you imagine it so. I become aware of how I was imagining all that was not in the present experience but I did not become aware of how I was imagining the present moment or if that moment was truly being imagined, but there was a strong intuition that this was the case but the clear seeing of that reality didn't happen, more consciousness was needed.

I get where you are coming from and the answers they have given you are very good, so let me try to give you this perspective. All abrahamic cultures have this false belief rooted in the shadows of their societies: "Your will and the universal will are different. There is a qualitative difference between both." This is wrong. The difference is only quantity not in quality. The universal mind just wills it more but is not different from you personal wills and desires. The universe is desiring through you as you. This is an abstract perspective that should be sobered up with the other answers to your question. But really think about it and discard that false belief, you will sudendly feel at ease with what you want and desire.

Let me rephrase it: The fact of being in no mind but from a full active mind state was extremely satisfactory. It was the best moment of the trip for me. Imagine being in a moment of full mental activity and concentration but without thoughts. Normally no mind for me is this animal like state of being in the now and flowing but this time was radically different. Accessing no mind through consciousness was an eye opening experience. I only felt it once in my mushrooms+mdma trip but this time it was just more stable and clear. My mind was so iluminated that it was just soaking everything in, but silently, kind of like thinking without thoughts just rendering without the layer of symbolism.

The chemical really fit with my system. The experience was strikingly similar to my spontaneous awakenings, and now I'm very curious to try 5-meo-dmt to see if that is what is causing them, as I have seen that it is produced naturally in the body. I felt very comfortable with the substance, it seemed familiar in many ways, not exotic like with classic psychedelics.

It was nothing new; it was a deepening and more interconnected knowledge of my previous discoveries. All is consciousness sure, but how interconnected is your consciousness? All is imaginary sure, but are you aware of how you are doing that? So I became conscious of the infinite narratives that I was spawning behind each moment to explain the present experience that was happening. I had this insight before, but the definition and understanding of how this process is unfolding up to its microscopic level really recontextualizes everything. I also felt metaphysical love which is very different from emotions, I would explain it as an embracement of what is, but I really don't have that much of experience to articulate it well. It was not ecstasy or bliss; it was just abstract love independent of the content, so the love could not be another content. Probably the most shocking understanding was about awakening, understanding what that word means or points to. It felt like all my life I had been severely drunk and now I finally had sobered up from that confusion. It felt a lot like that, it's a really accurate description. Extra points for Malt: The afterglow is gorgeous. My mind has been able to lock and make permanent some of the features of the trip. My mind's stability has been improved significantly, I don't know if this will be temporary or it will go away, but it feels that some of it will definitely stay. Yes you are right scientifically speaking it's very safe in this regard. However, in subjective experience it's opening another can of worms. Don't you feel overwhelmed and exhausted after 8h of intense sensory amplification? At least I do.

LSD has not the potential I have seen to malt. The problem with lsd is that it will burn out your sensory input at high doses, which is not something I'm interested in. Maybe LSD could be more overwhelming in this sense but malt is just years ahead in terms of raw consciousness and clarity. It's a much more evolved and refined experience. LSD is just inefficient for killing the ego in comparison with malt or salvia. The ego can resist in all experiences. I would find it much easier to surrender to an ego death in malt than in lsd. I didn't feel the need. Yes, I'm usually more square minded and analitic in my trip reports but I wanted to share the bigger picture of my experience rather than the explicit details. This report was my initial thoughts about malt. Indeed, there is a lot. Martin has a great book talking about non dual therapy with 5-meo. It sometimes feels like working through a lot of stuff before getting to the point that I really want to arrive. However, I'm grateful that I can deal with all those blockages in a much more efficient way than if I were to do it all just by self-help. Kind of strange, it went very smoothly but it also felt a bit difficult to get all of my self to be in the same page if you get what I mean. In general I struggle also with the come up phase but the plugging made it very gentle and progressive. It's about the acclimatization of the body in the end.

I have a few questions: 1: Is it necessary to have empty stomach even when snorting? 2: Can I dose multiple times during the same trip? (I plan to go up progresively. First plugged and then if I want more to snort it) 3: What is a bit more than a testing dose? Is 5mg good to start or too little? 4: What would be the problems of taking more Malt than what you can handle? Is it too intense, the body-load, resistance, freaking out, ungroundedness, ego death..? What is the main characteristic? 5: Why is plugging much better than snorting? 6: How long do the outer signs of drug consumption last? (Pupils...) 7: Any advice for a first timer? (I have tried psychedelics but all I read is that nothing can prepare you, just surrender. I would like more elaboration please) Any advice as I plan to focus now the 5-meos in contrast with the general advice given for the other psychedelics?

Now I get it. Because I used to be into vaping some years ago and now I can see how with the E-mesh you can smoke it. I'll try it in the future 100% thank you. Btw, I also heard someone in the forum saying that they took malt sublingually. Is that possible? If so why nobody is talking about it?

Candy flip will be to intense to do any human work probably. My advise is that classic psychedelics can be a bit too much to deal with repressed feelings. They will open up the box of pandora. Honestly I would go for MDMA, 2CB and Ketamine.

I also don't understand when people talk about vaping it vs smoking it. How do you vape it in contrast with just puting it into a pipe and smoking it?

@Leo Gura I remember you talked about a technique to snort better, something about putting your head on the ground while in the couch or something like that. I'm not a native english speaker and I just couldn't get to visualize the technique to do the snorting. Also what about the water for plugging, has it to be distilled water or it can be regular bottled water? What is the best option?

So I've been reading his book called: Entheogenic liberation: unraveling the enigma of nonduality with 5-meo-dmt energetic therapy and also have read half of his book called Being Infinite: an entheogenic odyssey into the limitless eternal: a memoir from ayahuasca to zen. As well as Leo's interview and some of his youtube videos. My reflection has been the following: it's obvious that Martin understands all ins and outs of the 5-meo experience and has a lot of experience with entheogens and specially 5-meo-dmt. However, it's clear for me that he's not awake, I mean he got it right in the bigger picture: I am God and everything is God, all is the one, non duality and crazy levels of love. However, he does not understand Reality, infinite Consciousness or have experienced the insane levels of Awakening that Leo talks about. This really leaves me puzzled in regards of how should I use psychedelics and specially the 5-meos for Awakening and God. If such a sincere and honest individual like Martin with tones of experience has not been able to progress that far, what makes the difference in terms of awakening with psychedelic substances? What have you done different from everybody else Leo? It also really discomforts me his strong attitude against spirituality, religion, metaphysics, beliefs and systems but then comes out with his own system, metaphysical assumptions and a way of doing non dual therapy based on bilateral symmetric movements and the liberation from the energetic prison of the ego. Maybe it all depends in what we are interested in. I don't know if I'm that interested in the liberation of the ego, but I know I'm interested in Truth and I have not experienced myself as God, but if that is the case I'm also interested in going to the deep end of my Godhood.

“At the supreme summit of Love; exuberance, excessive emotion and the like cannot possibly occur. Emotional excitement and Supreme Love are in no ways to be compared. They are totally different from one another.” ~ Anandamayi Ma

I would say MDMA works great for that but you need to do it, the subtance is not gonna do it for you. You can go to that fear and change the memory by the love and ecstasy you are feeling.

I mean like in lab class. It's up to a horizontal line of the scoop not more not less.

So you are saying that there is such a thing as a final Awakening but that Awakening can be ever deepened and interconnected. Did I understand you properly? It could be understood by the lens of holarchies. Ever deeper layers of consciousness that integrate and elevate the already perfect and whole previous awakening.

So I should always assume that no matter how deep I go that there is always more? This is good advice. Consciousness and God have no limits okay, neither Awakening.

Gonna do that this weekend for the first time. I'm gonna lose my ass virginity So there are no categories, everyone is the same? I think there is great value in knowing how conscious someone is and understanding his path. Rather than taking the simplistic path of: Oh they are just projections, stop labelling, everything is you. I mean of course, let's keep working from that, let's evolve. I've studied his work and I mean you can see it. He may know 100% that he is not the ego I have no doubt about that, but there is more facets to this work. I'm very grateful for the work Martin Ball has done and I've learnt a lot from him. It is precisely from this appreciation for his work that I came to this reflections. Martin is so sincere and serious in his approach that this made me reflect. If Martin has done so much more 5-meo than anybody in this forum, even more than Leo, and if he is so into non-duality and God, why is it that he has not arrived as far as other people? From this questioning I expect to learn from his mistakes and assumptions and make faster improvements in my psychedelic awakening. I wanted to make a clickbait title to have more answers, I'm guilty of that, but I genuinly want to learn how to use these tools for the Work that we are doing here. It's for the sake of learning the shadow of other works that I'm sure I'll be able to integrate more lessons than just memorizing what they have said, not make any questions and staying "humble". I'm just not like that. I respect him very much but I want to see his blind spots so that I don't make the same mistakes.

The question could be summared: How can I use 5-Meo-DMT and Malt for the ultimate God-Realization? I don't want to get stuck in the way with some shallow realizations and awakenings and think this is it and more is just ego. Also is there an end to this work? Because I really feel this is infinite...

Can I smoke the HCL? I heard it's harder to smoke but if I manage to do it is everything okay?

I would say preapare for each trip real hard. Before and after. Before-trip: eat healthy, do sport, meditate, yoga, sleep well, feel good in general. Also having a bit of discomfort prior the trip can help you to relax and surrender afterwards, take a cold shower or run a sprint, do something uncomfortable but good. Try to trip like it's such an important thing, because it is. Value it and love it. Do what you know is good for you, whatever works for you do it, this are just ideas. In the Trip: Experience without the needing to instantly label or understand. Be comfortable just with the raw experience, consciousness and awakening as much as possible. Basking in it, then try to make sense and play with it but don't rush it. It's very common to just explote in an awakening and your mind will go: How can this even be? What does this even mean? What are the implications of this realization? All those questions are nice but with experience you will understand that it's better to connect more deeply with what is happening. If you want to use your mind use it to penetrate even deeper in that realization and experience. Those types of questions leave them for the after-trip. While you are in a psychedelic try to really make your best of the substance and use it for the Work but also leave room to decompress don't be too pushy, laugh and take it easy, let yourself be impregnated with each realization and insight. Be natural and authentic, your trips don't need to confirm your previous realizations or spiritual ideas, be open and flexible to experience new awakenings that maybe no body else has experienced. You are your own guide. Psychedelics and the trip can guide you, your intuition can guide you, the moment can guide you, and as much as I recommend to set intentions, totally die in each trip to what is going on, surrender and flow with it. Your thinking and planning was from another state of consciousness now you are more conscious, honor that. After-trip: INTEGRATION. I mean this is huge. Write a detailed report of all the trips you have done and ask yourself powerful questions like: How can I embody what I have become conscious of in this trip? What is the plan to live the realizations from this trip? What problems did I face? How can I make better the next trip? How does this connect with my other trips?