A Fellow Lighter

My values are no concept. I literally just value people. Every person is of non-negotiable value.

Okay see.. this is why I needed to know what you meant by consciousness. See, for me, there is a difference between awareness and consciousness. I'm saying that there is no anything without consciousness, including “structure to reality”, for consciousness, if I may describe poetically, is that great magician that makes the impossible quite possible. And what is the impossible? The impossible is there - here - being a you and a me, the impossible is there being the existence of worlds and world makers, and innumerable finite objects in these world's, the impossible is the opposite of nonduality, it is the Maya - or what people have chosen to call “the dream”. Awareness is a relative term, because according to me, everyone is in the know. So awareness has to do with spiritual growth, one becoming aware or awakening to an aspect of Maya, then another aspect, and another and another. Generally, what people refer to awareness, in their own terms, is actually relatability. Simply because one cannot relate, the other-self will say s/he is unaware. Simply because the other-self can relate and possesses sufficient intellect to demonstrate this relatability via language - one will say,“S/he is awakened” or “enlightened” Otherwise, whatever the other-self says to one's self it will sound like nothing but mumbojumbo nonsense. This is what day-to-day communication is like, isn't? So awakening or awareness is quite relative in my sentience, it all depends on spiritual growth. The true priori that you regard to, I will say is Knowledge itself - simply knowing that there/here is knowing, this is complete, this is whole, this is nonduality. There is no other.

What do you mean by “unified limit”? Sorry for taking this long to respond, I was just moving back to the city from my hometown. The context of our life is imagined, however much more than that is imagined: The picture of the thing (X) is imagined, as well as the structure, the nature, the colour and etc, just as the context is imagined. Consciousness is that which we imagine with. Even if one may speak of consciousness as a particular thing, this does nothing to the true work of consciousness, that is - it enables everything (not just sensibility; it enables every ability). Can we agree on this?

@Reciprocality seems to me that what you refer to space has the equivalent of the fabric of Knowledge. Maybe not... Sure we could use “sensibility”. Yes, the fabric of knowledge precedes all knowables. No, I'll admit it. This is not a problem, I think I understand what you're talking about now. And yes, I agree, the field of awareness underlies all. I can't speak for the whole forum, though. But I definitely get it. Okay so I'm tempted to disagree here, saying that even consciousness would be impossible. But maybe define consciousness as you've come to learn it then we'll proceed.

Here's the 100% truth: until you can do the things you do in your typical lucid dreaming, like walk on water and control the weather on command (you've heard the stories). Unless you can do them here, on this level of reality, then you've not woken up to this level of dream. And you won't wake up at this rate, simply because your work lacks power.

This agreement would prove difficult to reach if we do not equate our personal-conceptional-lingual background. Personally, I do not perceive space in my direct awareness, I simply perceive the distance in time rather than space. You should care, my friend. How else will we establish a common ground of discussion? Then could you clarify? What do you mean by “things (x) in consciousness”? Physics teaches the basic principle of what constitutes an object, saying it is that which occupies space. So for the sake of understanding, could you maybe define your concept of space and objects rather rigourously.

This is perceptive. If you regard intuition as something like a sixth sense then we can have a meaningful conversation here. Otherwise I am not quite sure what it is you're asking. Here's my take on this: The world of senses (percepts) is the world of ideas (concepts), and vice versa. Consciousness is fundamentally dualistic - it is a duality at its most fundamental level. Just try to perceive an object without having an idea as to what you're perceiving, you'll find this task immediately mind-bending. Why? No, the things are imagined, remember. So it's not that there are objects being powered by consciousness, it's only that the objects are what reflect the presence of a consciousness in the first place. Because there is imagination, we know there is consciousness. The apple you take a bite at, that is consciousness you're biting. The car that you drive to work, that is consciousness you're driving. The wo/man that you sleep with, that is consciousness you're f#ing. Metaphysically speaking, there is no difference between the apple, the car and your partner, because these are all ideas. I'm lying... The difference is vibration, but I'll only get to that if you insist I do. But with regards to the “things of consciousness”, there are no things, bro - there is only a duration of images, all popping up at their own frequency, which is why some appear more true or real than others, because the painted dragon bears more frequency than the thought-dragon. This is why dreams feel less real and lack continuity in comparison to the waking dream, aka real life, because the waking dream has a higher/stronger frequency. So yeah, everything is but a duration of successive images. That is what imagination is. An image is simply an idea embodied with consciousness. Some of these images we create personally, like the dragon. Most of our reality is imagination via collective consciousness/human consciousness. Okay so here you're trying to assume a reality out of consciousness, if I'm interpreting what you've stated correctly. And that's the reality of space, time and causality. But again, things things come secondary to consciousness. Okay, so I can't seem to stay clear from the topic of vibration, I'll have to explain with regards to this context. Okay, before perception, before any sight, scent, sound and etc, there is vibration or intelligent infinity or unison - all are equal concepts. The vibration is the substance of all matter. We cannot know this vibration with sensory perception, we can only sense it intuitively. Intuition literally means not taught (no tuition), it means a sense of impression not information. Anyway, we pick up the vibe and we work out an idea in our head as to what it is, then we manifest it via consciousness. If I may define consciousness for context: it is a stream of intelligent energy - the energy that enables interaction/manipulation with/of the vibration I mentioned above. Without consciousness, we would only be spiritually aware of the power of vibration/intelligent infinity, but we would not be able to access it and manifest anything - creation would only mean possibility and never availablity as we would lack the intelligence to channel it. So in answering this question ? It's not “they”, and it is only one - and that is vibration or Intelligent Infinity. The causality of creation is ideation. Sorry the response had to be this long, I saw no way around it.

I wish I could know you wholesomely rather than trying to figure you out. Although, I know that the trying is not in vain, that the efforts, though not effective, speak to you. They tell you that I no longer want this illusion - the illusion of apartness I don't want and I no longer need. When will we be one again? When will I get to feel your omnipotence in my very heart once more, so that I may fully grasp what it means to be alive. Very very few know. Dear Light, I already know that we are one, I know that our communication is that of intuition. I know that you're here for me, and have always been here for me - guarding me, guiding me, teaching me and preparing me. And for that, I am eternally grateful. I only wish know to return the favour by finally awakening to my truest nature of which I know the journey is long. I only wish to realise that which you've been leading to show me through my fellow Lighters. And that is - what it means to be me. The lessons, as I've come to learn, are not in my control - the world will always be the world. However, taking initiative is definitely my responsibility. I know that we speak otherwise: you use omens and Lighters and I use action and creativity. May this communication hold until proven fruitful. And may the illusion be, some day, undone.

He won't.

It's much much much more broader than that I'd say. First off, every incarnation and reincarnation is of purpose and intent. If by any chance you reincarnate in South Africa, it won't be because of an issue with your current ancestral family tree, it would be because you have to, as in this is what your soul now needs. Not because of a numbers issue or anything like that. So rest in knowing that this incarnation, and whichever else to come, is a purposeful one. If you inherit an illness of some sort, it is all in place of a purpose. Another thing is, I wouldn't worry too much on the continuity of a bloodline. I mean you should have kids because you absolutely want to and feel that there would be value in the experience of being a father. Otherwise you're doing it for all the wrong reasons. Absolutely anything and everything you do in this world, you do for yourself. Never get that twisted, it only creates room for chaos.

Is it really not that obvious? We have Freewill. This is why, no matter how you try to look at it (deterministic pov, or whatever), you can't help but always find yourself feeling responsible for your actions. Your very intuition tells you you have Freewill. On a more general note though, life is an activity, not merely existence. So ask yourself, whose will do people act upon? Whose will do you act upon?

Personally, I don't do anything fancy. I just sit in a manner that I know it won't be easy to fall asleep from. Then I just be with myself. I get tempted to daydream or lie down or maybe get up entirely. The work here is just to redirect your focus whenever you sense it shifting. And I enjoy it (meditation) if I may add.

@Michael Jackson I wish, instead of typing and trying to put it into words, I could just show you what to do. Words often fail me when it comes to spiritual matters such as this. But I'll try my best to make sense. I am definitely no stranger to psychic attacks. My most recent one was earlier March, courtesy to witchcraft. Some thing tried to break through/bridge my psychical body while I was sleeping. The impact was so intense it made the loudest BAM sound I ever heard. I somehow even felt that BAM. How, I survived? I intuited before it hit, as it approached with deadly speed something just told me I should be very still and ultra-conscious. The room went super dark and I braced for impact. Of course it woke me up just as it hit. (Not sure if you'll relate to this one, but they are many.) Anyway, the key to withstanding any kind of spiritual attack is sourcing greater power than your attacker. One time, in a dream, I made a malevolent spirit, which I had intuited it's arrival before hand, I made it flee from me just by looking at it eyes whilst I'd been so terrified of it when it arrived. But, somehow, I summoned all the courage to face it and I literally did. And this is how I did it: I told myself, while I hid, that I was gonna look into its dark, soul-piercing eyes, and see the love of Creator. Of which I wasn't even sure how that was going to help, all I knew was that if I truly wanted to - I could quite literally look at pure evil in the eyes and see the love of Creator. So I did. I saw that ugly thing, but didn't flinch, I stared right into its eyes looking for its soul (the love) and quite surprisingly, when I found it, the demon, absolutely terrified, transformed itself into a zebra and fled for its life. Now I don't know why it fled, it's not like I was even expecting it to. All I know is that between me and it, at that moment of confrontation, I willed the highest power. So, you need to source the higher power, of which, I'll tell you for a fact, is Love. How you do this is up to you. Most people use prayer, some do ritualistic dancing and singing. I've personally praised Love as I was being attacked by a humongous snake and I came up victorious (all in a dream of course) So yeah, will the highest power, it doesn't have to be love if I can speak quite objectively, it just needs to be higher/stronger than your attacker's. This is all. Hope this is helpful. Nothing I wrote is made up. Oh, and I'd also recommend laying of the psychedelics for some time. You need to be able to realise Creator's Love without them. Otherwise, malevolent spirits flourish in any kind of chaos or uncertainty.

The Light is just brilliant. I want to know more of it, but I'm also nervous. It feels dense, so full of life and energy. Why am I only noticing it now? I mean it's always been there. I guess this is what it means to have spiritual growth.

We are Divine (Higher vibrations) Lately I've been having this idea of creating my own space. Like my own personal environment where my vibration doesn't get pulled down by other vibrations. Like no matter the interaction with anyone, less they offer me a higher vibes, my vibration remains unhinged. There's just too much drama in this world, so much of it is unnecessary. There's is so much to marvel at, but so many people prefer to quarrel over the mundane rather than pay attention to the magnificence of every thing.

It's a new day, but the same Light. Again, even in my sleep it was there. It is here, always here. But I'm also here. And its not like I can watch the Light from a distance, I'm just here with it or within it. Last night I wanted to know if I may be knowledge itself. But I have another question: Do I know the Light? What is the relationship between the Light and Knowledge? Urg.. I feel like this is not a real question. I mean knowledge knows Knowledge, no matter the content. It is a singularity - Knowledge. So from this context, the Light would be the content then. It would be - the Light of Knowledge. Why is there knowledge in the first place, who knows that it knows? And why must it know that it knows?

@Carl-Richard @PataFoiFoi if I may offer you a fresh perspective, there is no reason as to why God is love. You see, one cannot just rationalise their way into awakening to the nature of Creator. Logic isn't God - Love is God. This is simply because love is the greatest power. Nothing else. Do not reason, look and see for yourself. Everything that one does s/he does out of love. Love is power, it is the only power. But most humans just don't see this, they think that everything works according to a logic, they only perceive love in one dimension - the self love dimension - while love is more than that, it is multidimensional. This is why I prefer to use the word “care” instead of love, people don't know what love is. They only understand that they care about things, and think it's for rational reasons like survival or whatever. They don't even associate their “caring” with love, they associate “care” with ego, using words like attachment to render caring below enlightenment. That's why their God is so indifferent with the way things unfold here on earth. But this is okay, one day they'll see. It's inevitable.

I feel like nothing, yes. But I feel something. Isn't this the strangest thing? I feel like I am nothing, but I am able to feel something. It's most curious. So what does it mean to be me? Well, I cannot see myself, I am only conscious of the Light. I cannot experience myself, the Light claims everything, it is all. Except for what though? Except for me? How would that be? No, I can only learn of my beingness via the Light. But what is my beingness? Do I have beingness? If the Light were to suddenly go dark, what would be left? I can't even imagine that without the Light! It is omnipresent. There is no imagination without it. Then why this idea of an i, why this idea of a self? When there is nothing I can identify as myself. Why? Of course... There is knowing. This very knowing. There, here, is knowledge. Otherwise, there wouldn't be anything, or more specifically, the knowledge of anything. In fact, it is not a matter of what is known, knowledge can know itself - the knowing of knowing. It is still knowledge. Hell, it might just be the only true know, everything else has only ever been general specifications and ideas. Yes, the self is one of those ideas. Everything in existence is only ever an idea. The only true knowledge is the knowledge of Knowledge. It is a perfect circularity - this knowledge alone is whole, it relates to nothing or no one. Is this what I am? The knowledge of Knowledge? Am I a circularity? Is this the reason why I could never find myself? Because I have nothing to relate to, all that is is me? Enlighten me, oh great Light. Show me what it means to be me ??

When I take time to just be aware of the Light, well, I kinda just feel like crying. Mainly because I feel like a newborn baby, I find the Light to be innately overwhelming. Another reason is that I've realized that I know nothing about it. And yet it feels like it knows everything about me: How else has it managed to keep me here? Or to keep my attention? I don't even know what “me” is. I now see that this body isn't even mine, it belongs to the Light, it's part of the Light. Yeah, I sincerely do feel like a baby. I feel all fragile and powerless, if babies do feel this way. The Light is absolutely everything, it is everything around, everything inside me and everything about me. I am nothing. I have nothing. I have no limbs, no body, no power - nothing. I've never felt so empty, so nothinglike, so illusory. I feel like I'm one of the thoughts in my head, like I'm just a moment of contemplation, a moment of feeling, a moment of being. Only but a moment. How long will I last? How long will this moment last? I feel like nothing.

Can there ever be an escape from the Light? When my eyes are open, it is here. When my eyes are shut, it is here. When I sleep, it is there. Even when I try to imagine a place outside the Light, it is there - enlightening my imagination. Is there a place, physical or nonphysical, without the Light? It seems like I am dependent to it. My existence is dependent on it. It is here, always, watching. I don't know. It is always quiet, I don't know anything about it other than that it is here. Always. I can do nothing without it. I feel so powerless when acknowledging it's presence. It's like.. I can only be with it. Can I be enlightened without being frightened?

It's the most curious thing: I have been this way my whole life - feeling, thinking, relating - and only now do I look into this, into my being - my personhood, my livelihood, my selfhood, my godhood. But why? Why now? Why not earlier on? Why not later on? It's the Light: It's gotten much stronger now, or me more receptive to it. Either way, it's gotten too bright to be ignored for me. And as I can't help but pay attention to it, it reveals something to me, something it's been patiently waiting to show me: it shows me.. that before I am.. It is. Before I wake.. It is. Before I think.. It is. Before I learn.. It is. Before I act.. It is. Before I am.. It is. Always Can I be enlightened without being frightened?

I just finished watching it. That was one of the best interviews with Sadhguru I have ever watched. It's the first time I learnt so much about his history. @BenG thanks, by the way.

@A Fellow Lighter @Anahata thank you, Lighter. For communing with me.

I won't say I'm not impressed by how you put that together. I guess this really was a game.

A code or a word, I don't know what you're asking from me "Dannup" What game is this?