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Hold on, theres a lot of conclusions being jumped to here. As far as i can see theres very little evidence of Mooji doing anything like abusing people or even having asked for consensual sex from followers, the only thing we have in this thread from op is an opinion on a video, which i see in a completely different way and some stories from unknown sources about 'hearing' something. Even looking online at an 'is Mooji a cult' thread on a different forum, i cant see much direct evidence. Of course 'if' he did coerce or use his power to have sex then yes of course its wrong, he holds a lot of influence and people have a real love for him, so for him to take advantage of that would be wrong. But where is the evidence? So this leads me to question why is there so much fear and so much willingness to brand him in this way? Im not saying this to defend him but im just wondering whats in us as humans that we look to bring people down in such a way. Is it that we just cant believe someone like him can exist ie someone in turquoise consciousness? He may have done this stuff but on the flip side he might not have and just due to the lack of evidence id lean towards he didnt at the moment anyway. So its entirely feasible that he didnt so for sake of argument lets say he definitely didnt, it then becomes an issue with us that we're so quick to state these things or jump to these conclusions. I think theres a fear of cults or losing our mind and being taken advantage of, this seems to come from ego, im sure the more you raise your consciousness the more easy it is to spot fakes, if you learn about sales for example youre less likely to be conned by a salesperson because youre conscious of their tricks. But also i think we need to stop looking at gurus as the be all and all, most of them will tell you that the real guru is inside you, we are still looking for it in someone else. I think really its just a fear of letting go completely to ourselves, we're scared to let go fully in relationships and we're scared to let go when listening to someone like Mooji, i think this fear comes from the fact we still believe that we are our ego and we think we might take advantage if we had such power. It seems to be a projection on our part, we think we're taking down these beings but really we are taking ourselves down as they are us and we are them, they are just trying to show a different side to us that we havent explored enough

Because this kind of stuff is way off the mainstream thought patterns it can look weird and crazy, i saw a Mooji video where a woman was acting in a similar way to what you mentioned, not sure if its the same, but she cried when asking the question, Mooji talked to her to make her realise what she really is, mainly he said 'who is the one asking this question?', after a while she then started laughing as you say. To me it seemed like someone being in fear and then realising the reality and the unimportance of what shes worrying about, so it seemed from my perspective that she had glimpsed what her true nature is and having experienced something like this in the past i could understand why she laughed like that. I understand why you are concerned about such behaviour, but you have to understand if youre doing this half way right, youre (the woman in the video is) opening yourself up completely in these situations. Because of this it cant look normal, as in how we act when playing our daily roles, this woman was trying to be as real and honest as possible and as she was in pain and probably a bit nervous talking to in front of many people talking to Mooji, so its likely to come out incoherent. Its almost more crazy to be perfectly coherent in this situation, id probably be more freaked out about that. As for the sexual rumors and cult stuff, its quite a big claim so for me to take it seriously there would have to be some direct experience otherwise its just heresay, and again with the nature of spirituality it can very easily be misunderstood. In fact im sure those threatened by it would want it to be misunderstood. Having said that, the rumours could be true, but for me to take notice there would need to be more than what youve presented

Yeah it's an interesting one, I definitely get the vibe op is talking about. I don't think it's an issue unless Leo's vids are all you're watching, which he himself wouldn't recommend. When I watch Mooji, Sadhguru and others there does seem to be a warmth about them, but Leo's style is different, but they may resonate more with certain people and may put off certain people, but there are tons of teachers out there and I think the best thing is to absorb as much info as you can. For me Leo is great at getting the information across but his presence is not yet at the stage of Mooji yet, but that's ok, Mooji may not have as much practical info as Leo. So the main thing is take what you need from every teacher in your life but dont expect one to give you all the info

Well becoming aware of that is the first step to getting past it, do it's definitely progress. Also it's easy to get into negative patterns without even realising so dont be to hard on yourself, I think you're on the right path so just keep building on your awareness

Good luck, hope you get what you want, give us an update in a year

@Cortex Ok cos honestly I don't get anything of Eckhart Tolle or even Leo from you, it's specifically because you sound nothing like them that I even asked the question. Having said that if you believe that you are like them and at their core they are teachers, is that what you want to do here, are you teaching? I appreciate your honesty

@Cortex so what is it you want from the forum? Do you want your 'supply' from people here, like everyone to recognise how great you are? Or are you posting how you are because you think people won't get it and you can reassert that you are how you are and no one can change it? Genuine question

But within your experience how can you see that? If you dont perceive the world then for you it doesnt exist, for example, if there was literally no one to perceive the world, how can it exist? Everything is transactional, so there has to be something that can perceive it for it to exist, so if something literally cant be perceived by anyone or anything does it exist?

Yeah that is a fair point as well, if you did date a lot of girls, you'd realise it's not gonna sort out all of your problems. The fact is you need to really internalise and even experience that this isn't the most important thing, so maybe you can see that from consciousness work but whether that would fully lead you to 'know' what I'm saying I'm not sure. If you think about it the guys that are the best with girls, will more often than not just have a lot of experience with girls which makes them have an abundant mindset but also at the top level realise that this will not make them complete. It could be that you're trying to run before you can walk by trying to transcend something that you have little experience of

Ok so what I'd suggest is to sit with that feeling of 'need' and don't react to it just experience. So what will happen is your mind will start saying, 'this isn't helping', 'you need a girl' etc. But look deeper than this, don't react to it, look at the reasons why you want a girl, is it sexual gratification, is it validation, your mind has placed these as important because you convinced yourself that this will give you peace of mind. Essentially we are all looking for peace of mind but we convince ourselves that we need xyz before we let ourselves have it. Understand that you have set this up, you've disturbed your mind until it gives you what you think you want. On a practical level of you think that it's the most important thing to get a girl, the girl will be able to sense that and it won't work. So if you can get to the bottom of this and realise that you don't need the validation or whatever else, then you can achieve a certain freedom of attachment to outcome, which in itself can be attractive

I agree with @Prabhaker I think America can be a trap, something that looks great from the outside but once you're there and caught up in the rat race it can be horrible. I understand the allure if you're coming from a poorer country, but most people on their actualisation journey from America usually want to move away. Also now we live in a globalised world so you can make first world money even in third world countries if you work remotely. Having said that if you're at a quite solid orange stage then it makes sense to move to America as that is a very orange place, but if you do make it there aim to move past orange

OK thanks, i mean it kind of make sense, its just interesting to think how the myers-briggs and spiral dynamics could be linked. Ive watched Leos video before and although i havent read too much about intj ive read on intp as thats what i tested as

Why do you say that? I'm logician on that test (intp) and i kind of put myself at a mixture between orange, green and yellow, but probably leaning more to yellow, but just curious your reasons and say you were a different personality type, is it harder to transition to yellow?

Dont do anything, just wait until your life gets bad enough, either depression, boredom, financial difficulties or something else, when these things happen your current life will be worse than any process of change could ever be and in that instance youll feel motivated to change. You could of course do something before it comes to this, but im guessing you wont given your current mindset in your posts. The thing is its never easy to do anything, you dont just get a sudden boost of motivation out of nowhere and then start doing it. That feeling of things not being worth it happens to everyone and the only way out of it is just to do it anyway, there are no quick fixes, im not sure what you expect someone on this thread to tell you. But anyway like i said if you dont feel like doing anything then dont just wait til it gets bad enough at some point youll have to

It's hard to say that because, what's the difference between humans behaving in a loving way to survive and reproduce and animals doing the same? Think about we both get love feelings out of nowhere, like if a lioness has a cub it feels bonded with that cub, if it could speak it would say it loved that cub. We know that it's nature doing it's thing so the cub has a good chance of survival, but then wants the difference between that and a human mother feeling love for her newborn baby? It's not a choice to love that baby, nature has played it's part. You might say that we feel it more deeply, but how do you know that? Just cos are brains are more complexed, just means maybe we can communicate how we feel or be more aware of how we feel but doesn't mean that we love and they dont. Like someone said earlier in this thread, what if love is the force around that makes everything act in a certain way human or animal? Love just exists and everything can react to it how they want

I think naturally, through the course of evolution organisms are going to get smarter and smarter, for billions of years as far as we know, there were no organisms that were aware of themselves, or at least aware of what they looked like (I know that's arguable but stay with me). So in our current time it's only humans, elephants, dolphins and some does that can identify themselves in a mirror, which is the test that they are aware of their own body. This self awareness would seem like a natural progression in consciousness, but if you become aware of your material self would it not be easy to confuse that with your higher self? With this knowledge it becomes easier to see yourself as seperate from everything else even if it's not really the case, this is also compounded by those who teach you about life confirming that you are indeed seperate. So it's necessary to go through this stage of believing you are your ego as once you pass through it and realise you're not you can then use your ego as a tool. If you think about it because of ego we have advanced so much as a species, you could argue that this has been to the detriment of the earth which is true,but then that is only because we see ourselves as seperate from the earth. If we were to raise our consciousness even further and see the ego for what it is, we would be able to advance civilization in ways that don't damage the earth and that maybe even improve it.

I've struggled with ocd and anxiety since I was young, so for a while I was attracted to things that I thought could improve me. But if I remember correctly I wasn't overly anxious when I started meditating, it was just a chain reaction of events, so I tried mushrooms for the first time which really opened my eyes about everything and then I randomly got sent a sadhguru video and then I got in to Eckhart tolle, read power of now etc. I started meditating with a sadhguru guided meditation (which I'm trying again now), but yeah I never really planned any of it, it just kind of happened. It's funny a few years before this I read a book by Russell Simmons called super rich, which at the time I hated cos I was materially trying to be rich but he was talking about all this you're rich already stuff, I felt misled ?. But some seed must've stuck with me because I was very open when all this other stuff happened.

Oh man, first off don't worry too much, although it feels like you're alone and this is a unique situation, it's probably more common than what you think of as a successful relationship. Now here's what I get from your post, your just not quite 'feeling it', it was exciting at first because it was probably your first relationship, or first at least that meant something. But now you've outgrown each other and you want different things and because of this there's a guilt within you every time you see her. Which leads to you picking at things you don't like about her and not really wanting to see her. Although we try and downplay it, sex life is important as well, not more important than the rest of the relationship but important. So if that's not working it is a factor as well. These things are the core problems and then to me a symptom of them is you cheating. If underneath everything was fine you wouldn't cheat but because of the issues these things happen. Quickly on your reasons, whenever you break up with someone there's going to be these 'reasons' to me they're not good enough to stay with someone. You have to do what's right for you. Now my advice, you're young, you will have many experiences. Be honest with yourself this is not a right fit for you. You say you don't know what to do but that's because you want to break up but you feel it's wrong to do so. If you thought you should stay together you wouldn't think it's wrong so you wouldn't have even posted this. It is hard as you've become do comfortable in the relationship but I think you deserve to do what's right for you and grow from it and so does she, I'm sure given the choice she won't want to stay in it given all the facts and if she does then her self esteems probably too low to be in a relationship anyway. Anyway good luck with it

Don't get confused with the fear and desire. So it's natural that if you're hetro (which I think you are from your post) you still might think 'that guys attractive', but because a fear of even thinking that has been built up by your dad let's say, it makes you more aware of these thoughts and fearful of them. The worst thing you can do is try and suppress them or argue with them. Literally do nothing about them, the more you build them up the more they'll feel real. There's a condition called hocd where you obsess about whether you're gay (or can also be obsess over whether you're straight if you're gay), I don't think you have that but that's an extreme version that can develop. Also if you don't really have a desire to, do not test yourself by having a gay experience. Everyone's advice is well intentioned on here but if it's a fear based thing and you go and do that, it could be something that you constantly try and work out if you liked it or not. It will not give you certainty, there is no way to get certainty and you have to accept that. If naturally you get attracted to guys that's cool, something might happen but I honestly don't think you are gay from your post, so your solution will be to work on accrpting your thoughts more

They don't necessarily say they're transcendent, I'm saying I get that from their presence and what they say, it resonates with me on a certain level, so itsy judgement of them. If someone was just going around proclaiming they were enlightened it probably wouldn't resonate with me. There are so many teachers in life and what tends to happen is you resonate with certain ones for whatever reasons. Now Leo is a teacher who obviously resonates with some people, if he doesn't with you then that's ok. But you've gone the extra step and said he's dangerous, assuming you're not just doing this for attention or to play devil's advocate, means you really believe this to be the case. For me, anyone with power and a large fan base espeicially with spiritual teachings does have the potential to abuse that power, so the position he's in can be seen as potentially dangerous. But to make a claim that he is you would have to pinpoint exactly things he does that take advantage of his followers. If you just say the things he talks about, these things, like you also say are not new they can be found in the teachings of others as well and as far as I know they're not cult leaders. So I just don't see it to be honest, I think it's fair to highlight the potential danger but I can't really see the actual danger.

Always good to have different points of view and I think there is a genuine issue with people idolising YouTube stars or influencers, whatever you want to call them. I think you should always take in information from a multitude of sources and put it together in your own way that makes sense to you. With Leo I got in to the channel more when he talked about spirituality, because it was what I was interested in, I thought he was just a self help kind of guy so when I saw the first video on spirituality I was impressed. Not because he was saying anything new (nothings really new) but because he was explaining it in a way where younger people would be able to understand. Now if you think about it the only need for new spiritual teachers is to explain these centuries old teachings to new audiences. Yes it would be if everyone could just pick up the Tao and understand it but that's not the case. So I think it's slightly unfair to say that he's just talking rubbish in terms of spirituality because he's not he's just saying it a way a different audience can understand it. You also contradict yourself by saying that he doesn't say anything new and then saying he speaks rubbish, if he's not saying anything new and repeating stuff then whatever he is repeating is rubbish by your reasoning. But anyway I'm not saying this to really defend him or say that your wrong necessarily, but as far as I can see there's nothing different to what he says in comparison to an Eckhart tolle or someone like that, to say he was starting a cult would be to say that he's using those teachings for some kind of power or gain and honestly I don't see it. I think if you want to criticize him I see an issue with maybe a spiritual ego that he has and the fact that he's obviously not enlightened yet, but again those things can help you relate to him, like I have those things as well probably. To me guys like Mooji and sadhguru have an air about that where you know they've transcended, so there's comparison, but there's definitely a place for Leo

@Edvard I mean it seems like a fluid thing, in the same way that your personality is fluid depending on emotions, things happening. So if you know someone well and can see them over a certain length of time through different circumstances then you could make an evaluation and say this persons predominantly green but have shades of yellow and can revert to orange when stressed about money for example. But of course if you just take an isolated action and say oh that was a red action so that persons red its not going to give you the full picture. Also keep in mind yellow can use the other colours as they wish so they may do orange actions for example to get money, but they might be strong yellows. So its impossible to like at isolated behavior and get a clear picture. Im reading a book about it at the moment and they were using the model to sort at apartheid in South Africa in the 90s, and what they had to do was work out what colour each group of people was and then what colour the revert to in different circumstances, which takes a lot of understanding of the various cultures. The best you can do without knowing the person or people really well is say, that was an orange action, that was a blue action etc

As I understand it in spiral dynamics you have all the previous levels within you and you can revert to them at any point depending on the circumstances. So for example someone who's mainly orange and loses a loved one may temporarily look to God and become blue while deal dealing with the trauma. So with breaking bad it's interesting because at first it happens very slowly, he's put into different positions which mean he just has to be more and more violent. But I would say initially he's at orange/green but he moves into bad orange/red. So it's msybe not possible to move your dominant colour backward, but you can do it temporarily dependent on circumstances

I started using whey and I'm not sure I noticed anything that bad about it but obviously it could've been doing some negative stuff to my body I wasn't aware of. But anyway I wanted to recommend hemp powder which I've used for a couple of years, all natural, although doesn't taste great but in a smoothie it's kind of masked

@MM1988 To me attracting women is almost skillset that can be learnt, the reason i say that is because with us men we can become oblivious to the 'mating dance' and what women actually want, simply because unless we're incredibly attractive from a young age, we dont get women approaching us. Women, on the other hand will have to deal with men approaching from a very young age and are therefore a lot more experienced in knowing what turns them on or off. I say that because theres no shame in having to learn this as a skill, theres a lot you need to know and practice, confidence, congruency, non-neediness, putting yourself out there, but a lot of this will come if you make a commitment to be congruent to yourself. Im guessing that in interactions your doing what you think the woman wants you to do and possibly being 'the nice guy', point blank that doesnt work because its deceptive at its core, so if you can take this deception out of the equation and show your true self, as well some basics from PUA (non-manipulative) id probably recommend some rsd vids, then if you approach enough women theres no way you couldnt at least get some that are interested in you romantically. Also the paradox of not needing a relationship or sex is true as well, you have to recognise that in reality it isnt actually that important, its just that we're constantly bombarded with how important it is. Because of this it stays in our mind and then when we actually talk to a female it suddenly becomes a 'high stakes' interaction that could change your life, fact is, its bullshit. Once you realise this and genuinely talk to people for fun or good vibes youll also notice a big change. Its like when youre a kid and you really want to stroke a dog, so you chase it and youre so desperate to touch it that your vibe scares it off and you never really get to stroke it, whereas if you just have a cool vibe and stay in one place, at some point the dog will come and say hello (not comparing women to dogs lol), but its the same thing with male and female interactions. If you have a cool vibe eventually someone will want to experience that vibe for longer. Give to give, dont think of what youre getting from it