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Heres the thing, to say 'actualized.org' is a scam by definition is just not true. I havent bought the life purpose course and i cant see myself doing it, even though im sure its great, but my point is ive watched lots of Leos vids and havent paid a penny for them. You could say i used my time on them but either way Leo isnt really gaining from me watching them. However I would say i have personally found a lot of value in his youtube videos. So if we say its not a scam for arguments sake, then you would say I just dont agree with him or i think hes talking rubbish or whatever and thats 100% cool but to take him down for that seems a bit much. Theres millions of youtubers or teachers that i dont listen to because they dont resonate with me for whatever reason but to actively take them down, whats the point of that? Its up to each of us to seek out knowledge in various forms, rather than rely on one teacher to hand feed us. If someones teachings are 'dangerous' then yeah they should be taken down but i just dont see it in Leo. I think the poster was maybe looking for a solution to his problems, and felt that Leo couldnt really help or whatever. A good point he did make though, is the enlightenment thing, i think that is a genuine problem of the forum, where enlightenment is seen as the answer to everything, it would almost be better to take the carrot of enlightenment off the table and just focus on being present and improving our consciousness

@emind Heres the problem with caring what other people think, it means youll be a slave to whatever the dominant mindset is in your society and this more than likely, will contradict what your true self wants. For example you might grow up in a society where meditation is seen as wrong or a waste of time, to the point where youre ridiculed if you do it. If you care about what people think youll miss out on something that can change your life for the better. It would also mean humans would stagnant as everyone would be afraid of pushing boundaries. So on a micro and macro level there has to be people not caring about what others think. In terms of how to do it, thats something you need to work out yourself. Is it a fear of being kicked out of the 'tribe' ? If thats the case like any fear you need to challenge that. But you cant just accept, 'oh im a people pleaser so thats how it is', Thats like someone afraid to drive saying 'oh im just not someone who drives', well obviously until you face that fear you wont be that person.

But there is your issue, how can you understand something logically that can not be understood using logic? What you're talking about has to be experienced and can only be seen on that level. Language by its nature is limiting, if I write a book about how an apple tastes and you haven't eaten an apple you will still not know after reading my book, you may think you know but you won't really. Without direct experience all of your ideas are ego made distortions

Get married or dont

If you have a logical view of enlightenment will that help you get enlightened?

I actually think its an ideal time to start, there are less distractions, you know yourself better than say a 20 year old, youve lived and know what life is about, youve seen the temporary nature of life, you didnt grow up in the very distracting social media age. So go for it Patty and good luck on your journey

The main point of mgtow should be that you you dont need to sacrifice who you are for a woman, what i mean by that is you should discover who you are and be defined by that, not by a relationship or sex or whatever. The problem men have is that we put women too high up on a pedestal which mostly they dont actually like and because of that it leads to rejection, disillusionment, resentment, hatred even. So this needs to be taught, the other problem is there is no where that this is taught in a healthy way, mgtow and manosphere guys are trying to share this information, the only problem is its a bit all over the place. It would be fine if there wasnt such resentment built into it, but in some cases there is. In general i think attaching yourself to a 'movement' just doesnt work, because what it means is after watching a few videos youve resonated with it and youve picked this side so it leads to you having bias and defending it without taking into account other perspectives. Take the info that makes sense but dont be tied to it

Prince EA is a difficult one to call for me, overall his message is positive and he seems quite well versed in non-duality and other spiritual topics. However the problem for me and why he never really resonated with me is the showmanship of him, this is not necessarily a bad thing, im guessing the audience hes gone for are not hardcore spiritual or self-actualising (no z in the uk) people, its mainly a mainstream audience that hes encouraging to think differently which is commendable and needed. But its just appears overly dramatic and emotional (sad music, passionate speeches etc) to me, so if youre used to say Tolle, Mooji, Sadhguru etc, EA really doesnt come across as authentic. I dont know if this is a ploy to get people emotionally invested, he could very well be enlightened himself or at least on the journey, which im sure he is. It would be nice for him to connect authentically but then again would he have got the same amount of eyeballs if he had. Prince EA could be seen as a stepping stone to get from mainstream thinking to a more spiritual way im thinking

Just do it, I have and it didn't ruin my reputation, I did have that feeling you're talking about but it's just ego trying to stop you and give you an excuse. Even if you do it and it's a waste of time it will move you another step forward so you can move toward what you really want to do, if it goes well could change your life and give value to others. "Just do it" - the wise Shia la beouf

?? Awakenwithjp is pretty funny, but no JP stands for Jordan Peterson, he's a Canadian psychologist/lecturer who has strong opinions on topics like this, a lot of mgtow, incels and other manosphere guys are into him. He's got pretty big all of a sudden in the last couple years

Also keep in mind there's very limited education for males when it comes to interacting with women, there's nothing really in the mainstream geared towards this. In fact it's seen as sleazy etc there's very few real male discussions where you hear real men's perspectives, whereas you get loads of honest female perspectives on TV (the view or loose women if you're in the UK). Not to sound all mgtow but there needs to be some kind of healthy male influencers that can give real knowledge, otherwise they can fall into these hate filled rabbit holes online

I take your point, I always find that with new information and ideologies, you can always react in 2 ways either you use it to rationalise who you think you are, so in your example all women are whores, thats why I can't get them. Or you can use it to challenge what you may have previously thought and use it to see from a different perspective. Which one you do depends on where you're at as a person, if you're in a scarcity mindset it will rationalise that, if you're in a abundance you'll take what you need. But the information should be out there, it's just wading through all the bullshit to get to the real perspective

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Don't think he was necessarily trying to convince, he just approached them trying to understand. I think just talking to each other and putting ideologies aside can help.

Not saying he's enlightened but he is approaching them with presence and trying to understanding, so it can help

Ok so incels, I'm not gonna talk about, not to insult them but they seem a bit delusional and honestly it's quite sad that they think they have no determination in their life. I'm sure I don't need to advise anyone on here but do not buy into what incels say at all. Mgtow on the other hand, I haven't delved incredibly deep, just listened to Ronin man and a couple others. But in general I can relate to some of there points, marriage for example (which obviously they're against), I wouldn't say you shouldn't get married but I think it's fair to question it. We grow up in a culture where it's drummed in us to get married, sometimes mentioned in the media on a daily basis. I think this definitely should be looked at from each personal perspective, why is it the default? If it wasn't the norm and there was a fringe group getting married that would seem weird. But in general I think every ideology has some valid points (not sure about incels), it's just that people use them from a place a fear and then whatever they're agenda is or whatever internal problems they're trying to solve, they use it for that. It would be so nice if people weren't attached to ideologies and we could just talk about these ideas for what they are

From your post I'm guessing you do Amazon and probably private label as you're reliant on product reviews. I know this as I've been selling on eBay and Amazon for about 7 years. What you have is an addiction to checking which you need to work on, actually this is a great situation as it gives you a chance to work on it. It mailny comes about because you're in fear of your business feeling so it gives you some certainty and a high if you get a sale. The problem with it is you become neurotic and your emotional state is completely reliant on your sales. To wean yourself off you need to trust your process and maybe only check once every 2 hours and then once every 4 hours and so on. I find this hard as well still but my emotions are not regulated by it because over the year they'll but good and bad days but you have to look at the business from say a month, 6 month or year timeframes or even longer to get a real picture. Looking at it daily does not help you and could even lead to bad decisions

I guess technically normal is the average or close to the average of everyone. So in western society you might say it's normal for someone to get married because our perception is most people do, but the tricky thing is how much is it people just influenced by previous 'normal' people and how many are doing it because they truly want to?

I think what this thread is (or has become), is that people are being triggered by what Leo said in the video because they feel they are in the position he said you should get out of. It shouldn't really matter what Leo does for work or whatever, the message is still the same and I don't think it's wrong, it's also very helpful to look at things from this perspective. If you are happy working at McDonald's then theres nothing wrong with that but that doesn't make the message any less true. If you're not happy working at McDonald's but feel stuck and so therefore justify it by saying 'Leo kind of works for Google', I don't see how this helps you. You may think he's arrogant but be careful of ad hominem attacks and look at the content rather then the messenger

Hold on, theres a lot of conclusions being jumped to here. As far as i can see theres very little evidence of Mooji doing anything like abusing people or even having asked for consensual sex from followers, the only thing we have in this thread from op is an opinion on a video, which i see in a completely different way and some stories from unknown sources about 'hearing' something. Even looking online at an 'is Mooji a cult' thread on a different forum, i cant see much direct evidence. Of course 'if' he did coerce or use his power to have sex then yes of course its wrong, he holds a lot of influence and people have a real love for him, so for him to take advantage of that would be wrong. But where is the evidence? So this leads me to question why is there so much fear and so much willingness to brand him in this way? Im not saying this to defend him but im just wondering whats in us as humans that we look to bring people down in such a way. Is it that we just cant believe someone like him can exist ie someone in turquoise consciousness? He may have done this stuff but on the flip side he might not have and just due to the lack of evidence id lean towards he didnt at the moment anyway. So its entirely feasible that he didnt so for sake of argument lets say he definitely didnt, it then becomes an issue with us that we're so quick to state these things or jump to these conclusions. I think theres a fear of cults or losing our mind and being taken advantage of, this seems to come from ego, im sure the more you raise your consciousness the more easy it is to spot fakes, if you learn about sales for example youre less likely to be conned by a salesperson because youre conscious of their tricks. But also i think we need to stop looking at gurus as the be all and all, most of them will tell you that the real guru is inside you, we are still looking for it in someone else. I think really its just a fear of letting go completely to ourselves, we're scared to let go fully in relationships and we're scared to let go when listening to someone like Mooji, i think this fear comes from the fact we still believe that we are our ego and we think we might take advantage if we had such power. It seems to be a projection on our part, we think we're taking down these beings but really we are taking ourselves down as they are us and we are them, they are just trying to show a different side to us that we havent explored enough

Because this kind of stuff is way off the mainstream thought patterns it can look weird and crazy, i saw a Mooji video where a woman was acting in a similar way to what you mentioned, not sure if its the same, but she cried when asking the question, Mooji talked to her to make her realise what she really is, mainly he said 'who is the one asking this question?', after a while she then started laughing as you say. To me it seemed like someone being in fear and then realising the reality and the unimportance of what shes worrying about, so it seemed from my perspective that she had glimpsed what her true nature is and having experienced something like this in the past i could understand why she laughed like that. I understand why you are concerned about such behaviour, but you have to understand if youre doing this half way right, youre (the woman in the video is) opening yourself up completely in these situations. Because of this it cant look normal, as in how we act when playing our daily roles, this woman was trying to be as real and honest as possible and as she was in pain and probably a bit nervous talking to in front of many people talking to Mooji, so its likely to come out incoherent. Its almost more crazy to be perfectly coherent in this situation, id probably be more freaked out about that. As for the sexual rumors and cult stuff, its quite a big claim so for me to take it seriously there would have to be some direct experience otherwise its just heresay, and again with the nature of spirituality it can very easily be misunderstood. In fact im sure those threatened by it would want it to be misunderstood. Having said that, the rumours could be true, but for me to take notice there would need to be more than what youve presented

Yeah it's an interesting one, I definitely get the vibe op is talking about. I don't think it's an issue unless Leo's vids are all you're watching, which he himself wouldn't recommend. When I watch Mooji, Sadhguru and others there does seem to be a warmth about them, but Leo's style is different, but they may resonate more with certain people and may put off certain people, but there are tons of teachers out there and I think the best thing is to absorb as much info as you can. For me Leo is great at getting the information across but his presence is not yet at the stage of Mooji yet, but that's ok, Mooji may not have as much practical info as Leo. So the main thing is take what you need from every teacher in your life but dont expect one to give you all the info

Well becoming aware of that is the first step to getting past it, do it's definitely progress. Also it's easy to get into negative patterns without even realising so dont be to hard on yourself, I think you're on the right path so just keep building on your awareness

Good luck, hope you get what you want, give us an update in a year

@Cortex Ok cos honestly I don't get anything of Eckhart Tolle or even Leo from you, it's specifically because you sound nothing like them that I even asked the question. Having said that if you believe that you are like them and at their core they are teachers, is that what you want to do here, are you teaching? I appreciate your honesty