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There's always traps that after you realise it was a trap you wish you never fell into it, but at the same times traps are part of the game and will actually get you further than if you never fell in them. Like if you were never in a relationship a bit too long you won't realise what you want in a relationship or question you reason for being in it etc. Failing is part of this life's journey it can't be avoided

@Stretch Well its either you try everything, it doesnt work for you and then you come to the realisation that nothing will and you embrace that. Or you realise sooner and dont bother with trying everything. But for now you problem isnt lack of hope your problem is that you have hope that some thing will give you what you are looking for, whether its a life purpose or whatever, what im telling you is that the idea that a life purpose will fulfil you is a fantasy youve created in your head, partly because youve convinced yourself you need this to be awakened is the reason why you havent awakened. We make our own barriers, you either get over the barriers by getting what you want and realising theres nothing on the other side of the barrier or you forget about the barriers and realise they dont even exist. Either way is cool cos its all part of the journey, just keep a perspective of what is really going on

It comes down to acceptance, the problem with how enlightenment is framed is that, you go on some journey, maybe take ayuhesca or dmt, meditate, read books and at some point you suddenly awaken into an enlightened being. No all this work is to help you accept everything in this moment and the paradox is if you're trying to change how you feel in the moment with action, you are not accepting the moment. So when you do anything there has to be 0 expectation that it will lead to awakening, not in a way that you want to trick yourself because it really will, but a full experiential understanding that it will not. So even this feeling that you want to give up is great because before you were holding onto a notion that this was getting you enlightened. Now you can drop it. It's like before you become a millionaire (I'm not one) you might think my life will be sorted once I become one, when you become one you realise, yes I don't have to worry about money anymore but I don't feel fulfilled. Then maybe you move on and think a relationship will do it, then you think kids, spiritual practice, travelling, fame, then at some point you give up on anything being able to give you enlightenment, at that point you awaken

So just came accross this news app called 'ground news', it gives normal stories but then gives you a take from accross the political spectrum. For example it will have 8 different stories but let you know which one leans left or right or central. I think it's a great way to be aware of bias' and let's see the news objectively as possible as hard as that is. This videos also interesting it's where I saw the ad for it

Yeah but im sure the producers get them to act up a little bit. Agreed though, the whole reality star,'celebrity' is a strange, i think to want to get into it you must feel a great sense of lack and feel you can get what you need from fame, but it can actually turn quit toxic, theres been a few suicides from love island, if you think of the % its actually insane @Zanoni its always good to throw in, wouldnt be a thread without it

Yeah but in relative terms as in if you want to watch them or not, they're quite trashy

@LfcCharlie4 @fridjonk Oh my god yeah love island takes over the country every summer and now winter. Ultimate low conscious TV which i find it hard not to watch, actually geordie shore and those types of shows are worse

Again its my opinion that hes not, i could very well be wrong, but also im not sure hes said 'im enlightened' (although you prob wouldnt say that if you were', as far as im aware hes said hes had enlightenment experiences some without but mostly with psyches. He even says in the letter that you cant walk around in a constant state of satori and Ralston says you can and in fact he does. But also there is absolutely nothing wrong with not being enlightened yet, i dont even really like using the word enlightened. Once he does get there he might not even want to teach anymore. Your question only makes sense from the perspective that Leo is fully realised, you may have a confirmation bias around this, once you accept hes not the letter makes complete sense as hes still on a journey and is asking someone who is much further in that journey. If you notice Leo had a lot of ideas about what the end point was, but thats it they are just ideas, Ralston has that direct experience and sits within it so he is able to see what Leo is missing.

@Virtually I'm not saying you specifically are doing that, I think your question is a fair question. It's just I've seen it happen a lot and sometimes I find myself being critical of him as well and I know it's because he puts himself out there but still I think it's unfair considering he's still on the journey. If he was claiming he's without a doubt enlightened and he should be your only source to get you there then criticise away lol

Interesting thread, I think it mirrors some of the criticisms others on the the forum including myself have put to Leo previously. But let me also say its not really fair to pick holes at him as he is also on his journey and I guess by the nature of Leo's work it's very easy to criticise as we consume his content and hear from him a lot. A lot of people put him on a pedestal which then leads to backlash when they finsld he's human too. In regards to the topic the answer in my opinion is that Leo is not yet enlightened, I think he has an exceptional understanding of it as well other topics around it but I don't feel he's able to sit in it just yet. The ease of being is not yet there and I think that is quite noticeable, I also don't think you can get there through logical understanding and I agree with Ralston that drugs aren't a way to do it either. I believe drugs give you a peak at it but its like being shot in the air by a Canon, you're always gonna come back down. The process has to be an emptying rather than a collecting, whether that be experiences or knowledge. Those are my reasons but also you don't come accross many enlightened teachers that have become enlightened through psyches, maybe that will change in the future, but they could also be a distraction from the full realisation or a crutch even. Just my opinions anyway.

I agree there are more green and orange but they're not really aspired to, that's the feeling I get.

Leo's has a massive audience so I think maybe another way to look at it are what values and ideas are regarding as most acceptable on the forum, on that level I would say it's mostly yellow and turquoise with a slice of green

The fact that you can look at yourself like that suggests you are progressing even if it doesn't feel like that sometimes

We don't know but there is something amazing about that girl

I'd say, beliefs on how to achieve enlightenment or even thinking its possible to 'achieve' it

Just curious, why is this the non-degrading way?

Do you think how you interpret content depends on where youre at in the spiral? For example to me this seems a very yellow video as theyve looked at it from a meta point of view and they dont seem to hold much bias, theyre looking at it systematically as far as i can see. Thats not even to say im full yellow but if someone were say green or lower do you think they would interpret it differently, especially if the conclusion contradicted their would view?

Great wisdom, what really hit me is when he says at the beginning, 9 times out of 10 we fear something because we dont understand it

I'm glad but honestly I like it, I just don't think you can use it to work out others, but to observe yourself I think it's excellent

I disagree, i would say SJWs are green but unhealthy version of it. The big difference between tier 1 and tier 2 is that you cant take on others points of view that contradict yours. So SJWs have no understanding or empathy for why a conservative thinks the way they do, they still believe that there is one truth and their opponents are blocking that truth because theyre stupid and dont get it. To communicate this they use red intention, they have no intention of coming to a mutual understanding. However the content of what they believe is green and most likely they even build up communities of people who feel the same way they do and most likely these are lovng communities, but when challanged the loving goes out the window

Thank you bro

I dont think its complicated and like @w4read says its ideal for introspection, im even looking at how i post and referring back to it. I know you changed it but i actually prefer the colour idea. I kinda get where theyre coming from because it means looking at yourself and you may not like where you would be pegged so you argue with the label, but to be honest the slight backlash that youre getting from this would prove your model even more.

I think the issue is that those who would peg themselves at yellow or maybe higher are realising that on your intention model some of their communication is probably lower like orange, so its the cognitive dissonance that they cant accept being at stage orange. But of course youre isolating to just intention of communication which is different to world views and things like that. So as i understand it you can embody green but post something in a way thats orange even if the content itself is green the intention could be orange, for example if youre trying to prove someone wrong about veganism

I agree you should test things out if you feel to and if it works for you great! I still havent started the wim hof thing but i will. @fridjonk Yeah a lot is to be said for the placebo effect, if we should look into anything it should be that. Apparently placebos can be just effective as the real drugs - https://www.health.harvard.edu/mental-health/the-power-of-the-placebo-effect which is amazing when you think of the potential that we have in our bodies. But then also makes me think can we make ourselves more ill, for example if you really believed in 5g being dangerous would you actually get sick? Think of Chuck from Better Call Saul. A good example of Big Pharma being overly money focused would be them not looking into the placebo effect as much as they could, obviously if people are healing themselves, theres not much money in that