spiritual memes

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    I had a full blown enlightenment experience after unburdening a heavy part in my heart chakra. A huge infinite space opened up in my heart area and my sense of self dissolved. A few parts of my ego were scared and started to panic but this quickly dissolved with the light of awareness. I merged with an infinite field of consciousness extending in all directions.

    The energetic field of my body was simply a drop in the ocean that was my true self. Was an interesting experience. I was not on any drugs, except maybe a tiny bit of caffeine from the coke I drank earlier as well as some L-theanine and CBD I use as a supplement.

    I was pretty depressed from some family drama for the past few days but all the heaviness in my body is gone. I'm also getting kundalini awakenings more frequently now. Which may or may not be a good thing considering I haven't really burned through my karma yet.

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    On 27/03/2023 at 2:29 AM, tuku747 said:

    Here on the Actualized forum we find Ourselves constantly observing the thought that "I Am God, I Am Infinite Intelligence." Now, This may very well be true; But the thing is; "We" as an "individual self" have absolutely no clue how Infinite Intelligence Works. Mostly for the reason that there is no "separate self" to begin with. That is a total illusion.

    Here on actualized, they talk about god and infinite intelligence but they forgot to remove the 'I'. Which is the most important part since it's the ego that block truth in the first place.

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    13 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

    @spiritual memes Well, then meditation doesn’t increase baseline state either. If you stop practicing for a year then… you’ll lose your gains. 

    You can meditate every day and integrate it into your lifestyle. This can't be done with psychedelics due to tolerance and the fact that they cause your life to become dysfunctional. Also certain meditative practices like shadow work will increase your baseline state permanently. And its interesting because Leo does not teach shadow work at all. Psychedelics also result in a huge spiritual ego Leo and most of the forum being all the evidence you need.

    18 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

    You must not be watching Leo’s videos on a regular basis or in completion. Leo talks about all kinds of things. He mentions exactly what I said above a lot. Just because some episodes are focused on tripping doesn’t mean he doesn’t stress the importance of other practices. When he talks about deepest awakenings, yeah that’s psychedelics. Doesn’t mean meditation isn’t useful. 

    He hasn't made a meditation video in years. And in case you haven't noticed, his spiritual ego has only gotten bigger. Which tends to happen when you only take psychedelics and neglect the other aspects of spirituality.

    21 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

    and your last comment. You don’t know. These things require contemplation as well. Not just sitting or tripping. 

    And as I said multiple times, neither do you.

    23 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

    Baseline state is increased by a combination of practices, tools, and habits used on a regular basis. No single technique will increase baseline state. 

    Yes. I never disagreed with that.

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    2 hours ago, Thought Art said:

    @spiritual memes You are wrong about psychedelics not increasing baseline state. Mushrooms for example removed any glimpse of suicidal thought from my mind for 3 months afterward and one trip was a major life improvement. This was a baseline improvement. 

    If it was baseline improvement, it wouldn't go away after 3 months it would be permanent. It happened with me as well. I got crazy enlightened with psychedelics but It went away after a few months.

    2 hours ago, Thought Art said:

    Some of the states offered by tripping you don’t want to be in all the time. that’s why they are bottled up in substance, not constant. 

    It's interesting because those states are where you have highest access to truth.

    2 hours ago, Thought Art said:

    Leo, in my view clearly teaches to balance manual spiritual practices and psychedelics. Don’t distort what he teaches. If you trip but don’t contemplate, and do manual spiritual practice you might as well be a retard.

    He used to be like that. Now he has vastly shifted towards the psychedelic end. Pretty much none of his teachings are about meditation, yoga or shadow work and he is mostly talking about states he experiences on extremely high doses of psychedelics.

    2 hours ago, Thought Art said:

    You don’t understand the distinctions, nuances and paradoxes of relative and absolute truth.

    Lol. As I said before, unless you are tripping balls on 5-meo or decades of meditation, neither do you. You can speak all you want but they are empty words. Pointers made by someone who doesn't actually know the direction.

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    5 hours ago, Squeekytoy said:

    Truth is not an experience at all, why the hell would truth be an experience... All experience is subjective, do you think truth is subjective? Do you think what's true depends on who you ask or when you ask them, or what chemicals are floating through their brain?

    No but someone's access to the truth is absolutely an experience. If you disagree, then why do you need a fuckton of 5-meo to realise truth? If it isn't an experience, then why do you need psychedelics? Why do you need literal chemicals floating through your brain to realise truth?

    5 hours ago, Squeekytoy said:

    And why is that? Isn't it to obtain maximum understanding?

    Reaching peak states means very little if you can't integrate them into your life. Any understanding will fade once the drugs wear off.

    5 hours ago, Squeekytoy said:

    Your dichotomy wasn't just false because you presented two examples as if they were of two different alternatives, when they were really just examples of the same.

    They are not the same.

    Leo's work: Take extreme doses of psychedelics repeatedly to get temporary peak states. Everything else is useless.

    Everyone else: Use meditation and other various practices to increase you baseline state of consciousness. Psychedelics are just a glimpse.

    5 hours ago, Squeekytoy said:

    But also because neither of the alternatives you presented have anything to do with truth at all.

    Again, unless you have direct experience of the truth right now, your 'truth' is a meaningless construct. You can play whatever games you want but you aren't awake and know nothing about truth. These are Leo's words not mine. I can talk about god realization and solipsism and infinite love, but they are just mental games unless I am awake. The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao.

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    During an IFS session I encountered a really angry rage filled part in my solar plexus chakra which stemmed from childhood bullying and abuse. This part is dangerous AF and would have led me to become a murderer or school shooter had I not suppressed it using multiple parts. It literally wants to brutally kill anyone who violates my boundaries. When I was communicating to this part I visualized beating everyone who had ever bullied me to a bloody pulp. After unburdening, it simply became the part of me that enforced my boundaries.

    Damn, I guess I'm scarier than I thought...

    Also I unburdened my fawn response as well as my bullied exile in my solar plexus.

     

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    3 hours ago, Squeekytoy said:

    Truth is not a momentary experience or peak state. This is where the whole problem starts.

    Unless you are directly experiencing truth this very moment, it is just a peak experience.

    3 hours ago, Squeekytoy said:

    Isn't this what Leo is doing? Think about it...

    No, Leo is encouraging people to chase peak experiences using psychedelics. If he wanted to elevate humanity he would be teaching how to increase your baseline stage of consciousness, which is far more important for humanity since in peak experience, one can no longer function as a human. 

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    1 hour ago, Squeekytoy said:

    This is a false dichotomy. That may be the goal of so-called nondualists and buddhists, but it's not mine and it has nothing to do with truth. Stop dragging them into the discussion. They are irrelevant here.

    How is it a false dichotomy? what good is the truth when you only experience it for 10 minutes and go back to living in illusion?

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    3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    It's impossible for a human to live 24/7 from such states of Consciousness. I would not be able to feed myself, drive a car, or do any work.

    My only goal is really just Understanding. I don't care about anything else. Nothing else matters to me. Although of course it is important to also develop yourself in everyday life. I don't neglect that. The understanding I get from those crazy high states informs how I run my whole life. It allows me to see through all sorts of self-deception in myself and in others. That's the practical value of it.

    I think this is the core of the conflict between you and other teachers. To most teachers, living from a place of high consciousness is more important than simply reaching extremely high states. And more important than just understanding is bringing it down to earth to help awaken others and raise the consciousness of humanity.

    In the future, if humans evolve in the right way, the alien consciousness you talk about could be someone's daily baseline. But we have to get there first.

  15. Posted · Edited by spiritual memes

    21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    What's True is that there are thousands of different kinds of Awakening, at various degrees.

    Consciousness is way more complex than enlightened humans comprehend. They have fooled themselves by getting trapped inside merely one state of Consciousness. Consciousness is capable of much higher states which they simply cannot imagine. And they have fooled themselves into stopping seriously thinking about Consciousness. They think they have figured it out by reducing it so low that it cannot be reduced any more. They are right, it cannot be reduced any more than Nothing. But they are wrong in using the reductive approach. They use that approach because that's all meditation and self-inquiry can allow. They have no other methods. I present another method which can overcome all those limitations and open you up to a completely new kinds of Awakening which no human could naturally have no matter how many years he meditates or does self-inquiry.

    The mistake is assuming that a sober human can every comprehend GOD. This is impossible. It will not ever happen. A human is simply too weak to do that, just like the human body is too weak to move a mountain. But certain technologies can allow humans to move mountains. But only if they are openminded to the technology. But these fucking Buddhists and nondualists are simply not open to it. They have fooled themselves into thinking they can move mountains by hand. But all they move are pebbles and call them mountains. Then they deny that real mountains even exist.

    Buddhists and nondualists have different goals to you. Your goal is to reach the highest level of awakening, while their goal is to bring awakening down to normal life to elevate themselves and humanity. in other words your goal is the highest state while their goal is the reach the highest stage.

    You have probably reached insanely high levels of awakening but do you really live from there? If you stopped taking psychedelics, would you stay at the god realized level?

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    I unburdened an exile in my throat area. This resulted in a release of energy which I moved up to the crown chakra in order to get a kundalini awakening. My crown chakra lit up with consciousness which spread down my body rejuvenating and healing any parts. However with this much energy in my body, I could not sleep.

    I've actually been struggling with sleep lately simply because I get acutely aware or parts and energetic blockages every time I try to sleep.

     

  19. Posted

    1 hour ago, Ulax said:

    @spiritual memes I'm curious, would you not say accessing self is about transcending ego?

    Yes its is, but accessing self is generally most peoples problem when doing IFS in the first place.

    Some basic ability to transcend ego is required to even start IFS so it basically assumes you can already do that. The unbending process in IFS is called introspective awareness in meditation. However, to reliably sustain this, requires months of meditation practice. There is also a higher state called 'metacognitive introspective awareness' where you are aware of your entire internal system at once. This makes IFS much more powerful.

    Some ego loss may occur from unburdening childhood traumas, but full enlightenment can't really be achieved with IFS alone since that would mean transcending the notion of self and parts. I've spoken to people who have done IFS for years and they always tell me that they are never fully healed and that its a lifelong journey. The video I linked in my previous post explains this very well. Just ignore the new age shit at the very end...

    That being said, doing IFS has made my meditation practice wayyy deeper since there are fewer obstacles on the path. In that sense, they are synergistic and everyone should do both. I think most people on this forum, especially Leo would benefit from IFS. Consequently, most people doing IFS should practice meditation and nonduality.

  20. Posted · Edited by spiritual memes

    I think my previous answer lacked nuance so I'll elaborate. The work and IFS are both sides of the same coin, love and light, masculine and feminine. 

    The masculine mode of healing deals with dispelling illusions and transcending the parts with the light of awareness. The feminine mode of healing deals with loving the wounded parts to heal them.

    The work is fundamentally a masculine principle while IFS is the Feminine principle. However there is a significant asymmetry between IFS and the work. 

    IFS is perhaps the most advanced and nuanced method of the feminine mode of healing. On the contrary, 'the work' is pretty shallow compared to other masculine healing modes such as Buddhism, Taoism, Zen, nonduality, the works of Eckhart Tolle and Alan Watts, etc... That is not to say that it isn't useful. It seems like a really useful tool for the masculine approach. Just not the only tool. I actually realised I was doing 'The work' automatically after practicing meditation and mindfulness.

    In my personal experience, I have experienced more inner transformation and long term healing after a few months of IFS than 3 years of masculine healing. Interestingly, 'the work' became much easier after this healing and I found myself easily letting go of limiting beliefs.

    On 20/03/2023 at 9:20 PM, spinderella said:

     How are both of them true?  I'm happy to elaborate more on either, but I'm hoping that maybe somebody sees where my dissonance is coming from and can help me reconcile it? 

    Both are true because the mind is a system of parts yet the ego is an illusion. Once you transcend the idea that you are a limited separate self, all suffering will cease because there is no one to suffer. However, complete ego transcendence is extremely difficult, if not impossible, for most people. An ego is also pretty much required to function in society, so unless you want to become a monk and live in a cave for the rest of your life, ego transcendence is not really a viable option for healing trauma.

    IFS is extremely effective for healing but It doesn't really transcend the ego.

    The masculine and feminine modes are healing are synergistic and people should do both.

     

  23. Posted

    1 hour ago, Jowblob said:

    It's not interacting with itself from separate dream, it is you interacting with yourself from a consciousness level that you're operating at right now which makes it seems that there is seperation between you and the other. There is 1 consciousness level where it really starts becoming obvious that when you talk to others it's just you talking to yourself or god the father that is not incarnate in a physical body

    But does the other have the same internal subjective experience as me? i.e. are others just npc's with no inner world or are they me experiencing being a different person?