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@PepperBlossoms The problem you're having is that you mix 2 different levels of knowlegde together thinking that they're equal. It doesn't matter a fuck if this is a dream, imaginary or anything from the perspective of living this particular life as beautifully as possible. That's what almost everyone on this forum gets wrong. Use spirituality to understand your experience and self-help to change the content within the dream and not the other way around. Lastly the most important thing is to focus to the core values so you know what is the thing which drives you and from that perspective you should operate yourself through life. -joNi-

@Raptorsin7 This is actually very ridiculous that in openminded forum such as this one people cannot even think of possibility that Andrew Tate could bring anything useful to the table. I fucking love big g and there isn't anything wrong claiming that. If you'd restrict yourself to work with people who are absolutely on the same resonanse level that you are you'd miss many opportunities. You don't need to share deepest values with your football coach or boss in the work. They have entirely nothing to do with the work itself. I'd call this forum paradigm locked at this point. -joNi-

Keep staring towards sandwitch contemplating if it'd taste nice in your mouth. -joNi-

Opening Every human being has 2 weapons that are used to reach values. They are swords that need to be sharpened and learned to use to actually be useful. Without them you can't go to war and even if you tried you'd just lose without standing a chance. It feels very weak if you don't have these swords mastered or even evolved and therefore your self-esteem will automatically be crap no matter what. What soldier does when he isn't fighting? He is working on himself to be at his peak when the next round comes up. That includes rest and training. Training in this scenario is mastering your 2 weapons. These weapons are conquering the world (male energy) and surrending to the greater (female energy). These energies feel extremely good and you cannot just grasp what level goodness I am even talking about. Without male energy nothing beautiful couldn't ever be built and without female energy nothing beautiful couldn't ever be appreciated. It would be total idiocy to try go without both or one of those, because it'd obviously wouldn't work in any reality whatsover. They're equally important, because satisfaction is product of those 2. Training season, my babe Training male energy is all about pushing you more and more every day. It's learning to see how powerful you truly are and that you are infinitely capable in whatever you do. The key concept here is attention to feeling like immortal beast while doing your tasks. This is the part where almost everyone fails. Doing things and not being lazy is only requirement in being able to spot the energy and itself is not enough for anything. It's not endless grinding to do, but you start appreciating the work afterwards. Training female enegy is surrending to the feelings completely. Don't fight back, because the best thing in the universe is to embody the feelings. It doesn't matter if you are going to feel sad, scared, weak, orgasmic, loved or anything else because the bad stuff goes away when you give enough attention to it and good stuff just goes to the next level. The key concept here is to approach everything with humility and knowledge that the feeling is always stronger than you, but you aren't against it, but on the same side instead. Songs that explain these energies well imo When you listen to these songs try to feel what I described before. You'll find it within you, trust me. Male energy Female energy With love -joNi- :´)

@Carl-Richard Tier 1 people don't understand that there is this structure of different values and therefore are sheeps. Individualist sheeps don't understand that having good connection with community is important and beaufitul and collectivist sheeps don't see that their helping is actually just helping themselves. Yellow is the first who understands that everything everyone does is for themselves and that it is all about the valeus and turquoise is just yellow who sees him/herself so strongly in others that when (s)he helps the energy is always within and cannot escape, because the story of other's life is also something you perceive and therefore affects you. -joNi-

@narkuser All that you need is masculine energy which is all about achieving and doing. Next time when you're doing almost anything try to do that with strong intention and you should feel that drive inside you. When you finally find that fire from inside you, just step on the gas and switch gears according to that. Don't do things in order to do things, but to direct your life to the direction you really want to go. You need be fighter and fight yourself to top of the world. Stop being pussy who is incapable to do anything. I am saying these things just to bring that fire alive, not to actually hate you. I am going to make guide post about this thing soon so follow not to miss it. -joNi-

@Vido To be honest it doesn't really matter what choice you're going to make, because at the end of the day you'll learn from the bad ones and benefit from the good ones so it's win-win. Again we face this same situation that if you'd just have more money there wouldn't even be such problems. That's what I was trying to explain in my last post and I'll make new one about this thing maybe soon. People need to understand that having speed in life which comes from male energy and freedom which comes from money allows you to grow faster and better in life and therefore those things shouldn't be suppressed especially when working towards spiritual goals. -joNi-

@Questioner You have wrong approach with your logic, sorry. When you dream a dream at night it doesn't matter if there are other dreams happening outside of that, because you'll not ever meet them anyways, because all there is in your universe are your perceptions. That means that you are alone with your experience and there aren't others. Either you have glimpse into that realization reading this or you keep arguing with lucid character ;D

@Leo Gura Correct, that is also the same thing why you can't define infinity, because the thing which you are trying to describe will include that definition so it's like trying to catch your own tail by speeding up, but the thing is, the tail does too. I think better question to start from is how does dream like reality feel like and/or how can I experience it by myself. To that question there are hell of more to play with instead of the question that was originally asked, because you'll fuck if you even concider trying to answer to that.

@Questioner This interaction wasn't still useless for you because it showed you that you shouldn't ask a question which you know the another one cannot answer. Another important lesson here is to realize that no one can ever prove anything to you, period. I cannot even prove you that inside banana there are atoms or not without you doing the work to look through the microscope. That's the problem with science, because they make picture in your mind that truth can be spoken and proved. As I said earlier the direct experience of realizing something is your only way to go.

@Questioner If you don't think that I am having experience then talking about this subject doesn't benefit you, because you know it already, but if you have even a little possibility that I do then you don't really understand this thing. Again I cannot claim why what I say is true or false, because it is you who must prove it to yourself one way or the another. I can help you proving it to yourself tho, by teaching spiritual practises and to this particular problem psychedelics are maybe the easiest and the fastest based on my own direct experience.

@Questioner The problem is that you think you're currently talking to someone having experience. The medicine which I prescribe is more spiritual work.

@Questioner It was never about is there someone having experience outside of me, but you.

@Questioner One guy used telescope and verified it ... No, but for real do the spiritual inquiry to find out the answer. It cannot be given, sorry bro. Your problem is that you try to understand experience by logic and not vice versa as it should be done. Only reason you ask evidence is that you don't want to believe to it and you know that I cannot give the evidence in form of words. This is the exact same situation than in school test; if you can't find an answer to the question go to the next one. Only reason why you are stuck in life is because you don't try different approach.

@Questioner Dream isn't just a label that you give to thing which isn't real compared to something else. It's label that is gived to experience that doesn't require outside world to exist. As long as you think that there is outside world, people having experience or hierarcy in experiences you don't understand the concept. Also it is about the feeling of being lucid which just must be experienced to in order to understand it. Trying some psychedelics can be useful to see what others are talking about and then you should aim for having similar experience sober.

@Preety_India You better to appreciate why your bully did what (s)he did or you'll just always have something in life which you don't understand and therefore hate. I was also bullied and I see completely why they did it, to raise their confidence and there isn't anything wrong in what they did, because they didn't know better. Optimal case scenario would be to have self-confidence enough so you don't need to do any harm to others to raise that, but that would be too much to expect from children that are just learning life. That's my take. -joNi-

@Questioner Lucid dream is a dream in which you realize that you're inside one. That means that you don't need to wake out of the dream to be awake. Also who told you that reality is based in sensory input? Also who told you that others are having any experience whatsover? What is even the difference between this dream which is happening right now to the one you see at "night"? -joNi-

@spiritual memes Facepalm ... It wasn't about that film being relatively awesome, but that he could appreciate it more than you.

Opening and explanation of this post Because I've recently consumed lot of his content and because someone decided to make post about him I decided to have full depth analysis about things people keep arguing back and forth. First when I saw his videos I didn't understand what he and others similar people are trying convey to the audience and society. It doesn't matter if he is stage orange or anything from the perspective of learning to make things happen. Yeah I don't say that you should lower yourself from tier 2 to back to tier 1 only just to have awesome cars, but maybe there is some rigidity everyone should integrate from him. You can study useful perspectives, worldviews and ideas from anyone and it doesn't even require them to be higher stage than you're or even at the one you think you currently are. Yeah, you shouldn't make it to your only and highest worldview, because that would be the trap which swings you to lower stage. So there is valuable perspective for any student from me which is that: don't get caught in spotting things which don't make sense or are wrong, because then that'll be that which you see and therefore consume. If you started reading this post in hope that you find if you should be against or for Andrew Tate then I've to say that point of this post is not to continue the debate to another level, but more like trying to build bridge between people in different sides. Winner is not that which has the correct perspective, because the true winner is that which sees all the perspectives and doesn't judge someone from not seeing what (s)he sees. There aren't obvious things and everyone has experienced and studied what they have and not knowing isn't reason to laugh to anyone. To the actual analysis Andrew Tate is a motivator and you should use him to that purpose for sure. He knows how to get things done and he teaches people that attitude which is almost totally missing from newer generations. There is also something to learn from his self-confidence, authenticity to his values and opinions and way of speaking. Even if these values aren't your top values or not at all doesn't mean that you cannot study the structure of his worldview which is actually deeper that it seems from the first glance. That you don't like his personality highlights some shadow in you that you haven't accepted yet. It's not about him, but you. He is only the one who triggers you. Any people who triggers you is great opportunity to ask from youself why is this making me triggered and what I don't see? If everyone would do that we'd have more deep conversations in the world and in this forum. Don't think that you are higher than "normies on the society" and not being able to fall into this trap only because you are user in this spiritual forum. So the thing I am trying to say is that his worldview makes absolutely sense according to the values he has. That's actually very surprising to find even from spiritual forums. Huge respect for Andrew Tate from achieving this! Does he have high values and is he pursuing the best possible thing there exists? Probably not, but is he pursuing and actually achieving that which he thinks is the best possible thing there exists. Hell yeah. From the video that I'll drop here you can actually see that he is very happy and loving guy, but it can be extremely hard to see if you try to see it through your biased lenses. What are high values? Let me present you definition of high value that I made. "High values are better than low values, because they show more directly, holistically and strongly what you truly want." So if you want to find what you truly want then you should contemplate towards things which make you happy and then ask from yourself what it is that which produces happiness in me? Doing that process once is not enough, but you should go through as many layers as you can until you hit rock bottom of your values. Even if someone has different values than you it is still adviced to study them so you could have some insights or see something which you couldn't see for yourself. You propably have thought lot of yourself and your needs in your life so that's why you don't find something new so easily only inspecting yourself. That is what it means to be selfish and don't get me wrong, because being selfish is a good thing. I am talking about Absolute selfishness to your values, morals and needs. The twist here is that when you get happy from helping others then continue being selfish which means to help others and love them as much as you can. So selfishness and selflessness collapse eventually to one and the only question is what values you have and how much you operate in life according to them. Making sense of his values Let me introduce you 2 notions that I am going to use to break down whole discussion about women versus men. Male energy and Female energy. IMPORTANT POINT TO SAY SO YOU DON'T SEE ME AS A EVIL. Everyone has little bit of both and is able to attain both energies. So male energy isn't only for men and vice versa. The names only come from where these energies are found in high quantity in average. Male energy is doing and achieving what you want and female energy is being and feeling what you have. Optimal case would be that you have lot of both. Because Andrew Tate's highest values are success, doing and achieving it makes totally sense why he says that he thinks he is above women. That is actually right from this perspective. Don't get me wrong that I say that men are above women, because that's not what I am trying to say. It's all about what you value in life. If I'd see Anrew Tate from the female energy perspective I'd say that most women are way above him. Even whole relationship thing is based on being with someone who has energy which you don't have until you find it from yourself. Really think about what I just said. Lastly that Andrew Tate has putted aside his female energy side or that he didn't have too much of it to begin with isn't problem if you want to study what he is trying to teach you about male energy. Still you should be very sharp when studying his perspective and worldview. Don't believe everything he says, but try to see what makes sense and what not according to your values. This what I said is true to studying any perspective and listening to anyone. Don't be a sheep which doesn't see structures - which in this scenario are different values - and believes to anyting which someone tells you. Here is one video you could use to see how well polished his worldview actually is With love -joNi- <3

@Bando You're absolute on point. The saying should be rephrased as only achieving for money doesn't make you happy, but having money is useful component in building your favourite life. It starts to feel that not only so called spiritual people don't value money, but they see it as a filthy thing that they don't even want to touch to. What they didn't understand from Leo's video How To Escape Wage Slavery? Oh, but now when spiritual role model is saying the exact same stuff it surprisingly is a good thing.

@hoodrow trillson If you have watched any long podcast with him in it, which I strongly believe that you haven't, you would see that he is enjoying his life, a lot. I don't know what you meant by deluded garbage, because I had my biggest realization of the year just from listening him talking. I can only talk from my own perspective which is that I've really found lot of useful things for me from him. I understand why many people don't get what he's saying and that's why I wanted to show this perspective to others by making this thread and answering to the comments that arise.

@hoodrow trillson That's the point, no one sees that because they're stuck thinking about new ways to disagree with him while he is living awesome life as a top g. That's what I want as well; to have incredible life both spiritually and "materially". To me anything, but perfection isn't enough and I couldn't fathom living a life without another one without any valid reason. What many people don't understand is that it isn't even about what he has achieved, but more like that power to MAKE THINGS HAPPEN. You want to enjoy life by being and doing and that's you choose both energies, ta - da. -joNi-

@Razard86 We already speaked about that stuff and we saw that we have different pespectives so why continue talking about it if you don't purposely try to see what was beeing said. Continuing to disagree doesn't make your perspective any stronger and valid, does it? It is ridiculous to me that someone even disagrees with me while I have a feeling that (s)he doesn't even see what I truly wanted to express. If you're authentucally interested to see and listen my perspective then I can show it to you, if not then stop dissagreeing with the picture that you made in your mind that really isn't what I even wanted to say. Respectfully -joNi-

@Someone here Only people who value your most true beauty are possible your closest friends, family and your girlfriend. If you want others to respect you then provide them things that they value. Be masculine, do bunch of different things and have drive in your life. Don't sit on your ass waiting others to cheer at you. Even you yourself wouldn't that to happen, because it'd feel unnatural and weird. Start achieving things, aim for cool experiences and motivate others. Right now your motivation probably is weak and they don't want to be weak so they don't want to be around you or at least value you. Value is earned not given, bro.

@Someone here Read my post Andrew Tate explained where I introduce 2 notions which are male and female energy and male is that which is lacking from many men now a days and that's why they come off as a weak. This thing is actually very important and should be explained even more deeply than I already did in the original post. It's mindfucking that in spiritual circles they don't teach you this while it's very big part of spirituality and self-help. Spirituality should be holistical perspective of life, but mainstream spirituality aims just for the feminine side which is feeling, being and being relaxed. Of course you feel weak when they fail the teaching ...