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@jse That's not confusion. It's clarity. ?

I think thats the reaction he is after.

@Afonso Let's just say it's a great insight. The depth of the insight will be revealed to you with time. And what use is it to you that we explain it further? ?

@Natasha thanks for sharing!

Awesome! Congratulations on your wonderful insight. No this is not sarcasm. ?

@The White Belt It's an egoic thing. An ego without goals would probably be more miserable than an ego who has goals that it is working towards. Without an ego there is no goals, how could there be? Having goals would mean there is a future and the egoless state is all about the present moment.

@Natasha Acceptance is the common ground for spirituality and christianity. So instead of trying to convince each other about what opinion is the right one, how about you and your friends accept each other for what you are and accept that you have different opinions about the matter. You all want the best for one another but the fact is none of you will change opinions so why argue about it?

Yes it's funny, and alot easier to give advice to someone else than seeing it for yourself. Always nice to get an outside perspective on these things and that's why we are here on this forum. To help each other on this journey.

@faith Allow your self to be stuck. There is no where to go, nothing left to do but to feel this stuckness. How does it feel? Is there really something missing or is that an illusion of the mind? In fact every moment is complete. There is nothing missing to it. There is only the belief that something is missing. That is minds way of distracting us.

@Leo Gura What you say makes perfect sense from an awakened minds perspective. From an awakened hearts perspective it does not. I have a hard time seeing how gassing jews and raping little children is based on love and kindness. Maybe there is more to the picture than that absolute perspective of yours?

@Natasha Seeking enlightenment to be extraordinary. Become enlightened and bask in the ordinary. Do I dare to throw in a chop wood, carry water quote here? I guess I did!?

It's a normal thing after an awakening. It means it was a genuine awakening and that the false self is falling away. Go deeper into that.

@Dan Arnautu Ask yourself this. How far does this knowledge take you spiritually? Is this knowledge that is gained really progressing you forward?

You seem to have a good understanding of it. Have you ever asked yourself what you can truly know? What the fundumental parts to your experience is? There is the five senses and thought. That is all you can ever experience. And can a thought ever be true?

I've been experiencing the same thing recently. I've had social anxiety that I started dealing with 10 years ago and I assumed that it was a thing of the past. A couple of weeks ago it suddenly reappeared and it came back with full force. From 0-100 percent in an instance. Luckily I remebered this video clip that I saw a year ago about finding out your core belief. So my core belief was that "I'm not good enough" and I can really see that it has been the main driving force in my life. Theres been many different faces of the ego with this same core belief. There's been the "I'm not good enough, so I won't even try"-ego: So I won't study. I won't apply for a job. I'll just play video games. The "I'm not good enough and I don't care what you think of me"-ego. The one being real a douche to everyone. Deeply down under it cares but that has been surpressed. The "I'm not good enough, so I'll try real hard so you will like me"-ego. The good ego. Always positive. Surpressing it's owns needs for others needs. Seeing through that core belief made the social anxiety dissappear as fast as it appeared (and other ego stuff). I basicly feel more genuine now then before. So my advice to you is find that core belief. Maybe that is the root of the "problem".

I agree. But what do you think is delusional and what is real?

I dont know if she was enlightened or not. But she had some sort of realization. Could you define what you mean with enlightenment?

A female baseball player came to Adyashanti. During a baseball match she had "disappeared". Realized the nature of no self. She had no spiritual background so she had no understanding of what happened before the realization.

@Max_V First and foremost accept that there is judgments. You can't control which thoughts come and go can you? But are they true? Also you as a human being is hooked up that way. You will always prefer to feel comfortable than to feel uncomfortable. There is nothing wrong with that. Work on your judgements. Was it really a waste of time or can the "ordinary" state of consciousness be even more powerful than the higher state?

You can't know if that's true. You can say that you have only experienced it that way. But you can't know if that is true for everyone else.

@Lenny Thank you Lenny. I bookmarked it and will read about it another day. What about Rupert Spira, he is really logical in his teachings. Is he basing it on vedanta? @Russell Parr Yeah I see that it can be used to understand things like that which you are describing. However understanding it and realizing it is two different things. Understanding is mind figuring things out. Coming to conclusions and here I see logic as great tool to have. Realizing it is when it is revealed in ones experience. For example explaining how it is to see to a blind man. No matter how well you describe it. No matter how well he understands the concept of seeing, he will not be able to see.

@Lenny I've heard the word but no I don't know the meaning or practice.

Care to explain how one can use logic to get enlightened?

Wonderful! ☺

You can do well without a teacher. Just be radically honest to yourself. I listen to adyashanti myself. There is alot of information from him about the after awakening phase. There is also alot of misinformation on the internet about this so don't believe random people, including myself. ? Just be honest to yourself and you'll be fine. https://www.youtube.com/user/Adyashanti